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UN: Tasers Are A Form Of Torture
    #7683018 - 11/26/07 06:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

UN: Tasers Are Torture

Published on Sunday, November 25, 2007 by CBS News
UN: Tasers Are A Form Of Torture
“Stun Guns” Are Under Fire After Six Deaths This Week; Rallies Held Demanding They Be Banned

(CBS/AP) - A United Nations committee said Friday that use of Taser weapons can be a form of torture, in violation of the U.N. Convention Against Torture.1125 04 1

Use of the electronic stun devices by police has been marked with a sudden rise in deaths - including four men in the United States and two in Canada within the last week.

Canadian authorities are taking a second look at them, and in the United States, there is a wave of demands to BAN them.

The U.N. Committee Against Torture referred Friday to the use of TaserX26 weapons which Portuguese police has acquired. An expert had testified to the committee that use of the weapons had “proven risks of harm or death.”

“The use of TaserX26 weapons, provoking extreme pain, constituted a form of torture, and that in certain cases it could also cause death, as shown by several reliable studies and by certain cases that had happened after practical use,” the committee said in a statement.

Tasers have become increasingly controversial in the United States, particularly after several notorious cases where their use by police to disable suspects was questioned as being excessive. Especially disturbing is the fact that six adults died after being tased by police in the span of a week.

Last Sunday, in Frederick, Md., a sheriff’s deputy trying to break up a late-night brawl tased 20-year-old Jarrel Grey. He died on the spot.

“I want to know what he did that was so bad,” the victim’s mother, Tanya James, said. “Did the deputy think that their life was in danger? Did he have a weapon?”

The death came just weeks after Frederick police used a Taser to subdue a high school student.

Black leaders held a rally Tuesday calling for the department to ban Tasers, at least until there is a clear policy on how they are used. The NAACP says it appears the sheriff’s office is using Tasers routinely, rather than as a weapon of last resort.

Also this week, in Jacksonville, Fla., in two separate cases two men died after being stunned.

One suspect, who fled a car crash and tried to break into a nearby home, struggled with a policeman, prompting the officer to tase him three times. The man continued to fight, and tried to bite the officer, while he was being tased. He was later pronounced dead at a hospital.

Another man died Tuesday after a Jacksonville officer pulled over his car. When the officer approached it, the man took off running. When the officer caught up with him, during a struggle, authorities say the officer used his Taser to subdue the suspect.

After being placed in the back of the police car the suspect became unresponsive. He was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead.

Last Sunday, in New Mexico, 20-year-old Jesse Saenz died after Raton police used a Taser to subdue him. Police say Saenz was struggling and fighting with them as they attempted to take him into custody.

Saenz died after being transported to a county jail.

In Nova Scotia, a 45-year-old man who was jailed on assault charges jumped a counter and ran for the door as he was being booked. He died yesterday, about 30 hours after being shocked.

And in Vancouver, where Royal Candian Mounted Police have been criticized for their use of a Taser against an irate airline passenger at Vancouver Airport last month, 36-year-old Robert Knipstrom died in a hospital four days after police used a Taser, pepper spray and batons to subdue him.

Police earlier said Knipstrom was agitated, aggressive and combative with officers. The cause of death has yet to be determined.

More than a dozen people have died in Canada after being hit by Tasers in the last four years.

The reported incidents this week did not have cameras documenting the use of the Tasers, but in British Columbia, a tourist’s video camera recorded the death of a man tased twice while in custody at the Vancouver Airport last month.

That horrifying video shows Robert Dziekanski, a Polish man who spoke no English, become increasingly agitated. He was shocked twice, and then died.

The stun guns were denounced at memorial rallies in Vancouver and Toronto for Dziekanski.

Among the 1,000 people at the Vancouver rally was Paul Pritchard, who shot the video of the confrontation at the city airport.

The crowd gave a hero’s welcome to Pritchard, who said he “saw the life drain out of a man’s face” and heard “blood-curdling screams.”

A rally in front of the Ontario legislature in Toronto drew several hundred people, including Bob Rae, a Liberal candidate in the next federal election.

Rae said the events leading up to Dziekanski’s death must “never, ever be allowed to happen again.”

The prominent - and sensational - reports of deaths following the use of Tasers has increased attention to their legitimacy, and prompted a bold defense by their manufacturer.

Taser International, based in Scottsdale, Az., released a statement following the Vancouver Airport incident saying no deaths have ever been definitively connected to what the company describes as: “the low-energy electrical discharge of the Taser.”

That’s 50,000 volts.

“The video of the incident at the Vancouver airport indicates that the subject was continuing to fight well after the TASER application,” Taser International said. “This continuing struggle could not be possible if the subject died as a result of the Taser device electrical current causing cardiac arrest. [Dziekanski’s] continuing struggle is proof that the Taser device was not the cause of his death.

“Specifically in Canada, while previous incidents were widely reported in the media as ‘Taser deaths,’ the role of the Taser device has been cleared in every case to date,” Taser said.

The devices are used by about 12,000 police departments, often in chaotic situations.

Retired police officer Paul Mazzei told CBS News correspondent Joie Chen, “Minus the Taser, they would have to use an impact weapon like a baton, possibly pepper spray or in some extreme cases of violent behavior they might even have to use deadly force to control that individual.”

In fact, in New Mexico earlier this month, the parents of a suicidal woman who was shot to death by Bernalillo County deputies two years ago are suing, contending that the police should have used Tasers instead of firearms.

Brittany Wayne was killed in her bedroom 23 seconds after police arrived.

And in Utah, a patrol car’s dashboard camera caught an officer tasing a driver who refused to sign a speeding ticket. The officer is now under investigation, accused of being too quick on the draw.

Amid a growing outcry, civil rights groups are urging police to put down their Tasers until more research is done.

“The danger of Tasers is that they seem safe, they seem easy and therefore I think it’s natural that police will be inclined to use them much more quickly than they would ever use a gun,” Amnesty International USA Executive Director Larry Cox told Chen.

CBSNews.com producer David Morgan contributed to this report.

© MMVII, CBS Interactive Inc.


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Re: UN: Tasers Are A Form Of Torture [Re: ntropic mind]
    #7683027 - 11/26/07 06:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

This news doesn't really seem drug-related.


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Re: UN: Tasers Are A Form Of Torture [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7683184 - 11/26/07 07:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

interesting read still.


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Re: UN: Tasers Are A Form Of Torture [Re: wortiesbo]
    #7683211 - 11/26/07 07:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Not arguing that, but it belongs in the Pub or the Politics forum.


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Re: UN: Tasers Are A Form Of Torture [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7683374 - 11/26/07 08:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

That's right. Instead of send a five second shock through their body that capacitate them you should just risk the officer's lives and use a nightstick and beat them until they stop fighting. Especially the High School student. A couple walks to the chest and knees would have put him in his place.


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Re: UN: Tasers Are A Form Of Torture [Re: wireless]
    #7683938 - 11/26/07 11:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yeah... I would much rather cops have the option of a taser over a gun.

sure, they might be a little quick on the draw, but at the risk of sounding like an asshole, most of the people they tase are deserving of it.

I'm not saying the traffic incident guy or the guy in the airport should have been tased, but if you are physically fighting with a cop, you're gonna get beat down or lit up. As far as I know, every cop who uses a taser has to be hit with one as part of their training. It's not like they don't know what they're dealing with...

oh, and fuck the UN. Corrupt organizations don't have room to speak on what constitutes torture, when they allow their members to continue to oppress and torture their people.


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Re: UN: Tasers Are A Form Of Torture [Re: PinheadX]
    #7684364 - 11/27/07 01:12 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i'm surprised no one has said this yet...

DON'T TASE ME, BRO!



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Re: UN: Tasers Are A Form Of Torture [Re: usg543]
    #7684546 - 11/27/07 03:18 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

A ten year old kid out were I live was standing on a street corner with a bible in his hand, ranting about religion. He was shot with six tasers and died. I'm not outright against tasers but they are used excessively.


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Re: UN: Tasers Are A Form Of Torture [Re: dread]
    #7684605 - 11/27/07 05:06 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

> A ten year old kid out were I live was standing on a street corner with a bible in his hand, ranting about religion.

Sounds a bit far fetched as ten year olds don't usually stand on corners with bibles ranting about religion. Please post a reference for your claim.

> He was shot with six tasers and died.

Yeah right. Six tasers, eh? Break out the waders, folks, the BS is rising fast. I would love to eat my words, but that would require you to post a legitimate reference backing up your story.

> UN: Tasers Are A Form Of Torture

Tasers can be used to facilitate torture, but I wouldn't call a taser a "form of torture". Water can be used to facilitate torture, but I wouldn't call water a "form of torture" either.

> [tasers cause death] as shown by several reliable studies

What studies? Every study that I have read about tasers states the opposite.


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Re: UN: Tasers Are A Form Of Torture [Re: ntropic mind]
    #7685004 - 11/27/07 08:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

United Nations committee said Friday that use of Taser weapons CAN be a form of torture


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Re: UN: Tasers Are A Form Of Torture [Re: Seuss]
    #7685170 - 11/27/07 09:29 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

> [tasers cause death] as shown by several reliable studies

What studies? Every study that I have read about tasers states the opposite.





What better study is there than a study in the real world. Amnesty International reports more than 70 deaths from Tasers since 2001. I do know that the gentleman who was taped being tased in the airport had an autopsy that showed no drugs or alcohol in his system, so his death cannot be attributed to his being on anything... I'm not saying that tasers are without purpose, but to say that they don't cause death is, in my opinion, ludicrous. And I do believe, once again, in my opinion, that they are used excessively.


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Re: UN: Tasers Are A Form Of Torture [Re: plasticbottle]
    #7689229 - 11/28/07 05:31 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

> What better study is there than a study in the real world.

The real world isn't a study. The real world can be used as the population of a study.

> Amnesty International reports more than 70 deaths from Tasers since 2001.

Absolutely meaningless without peer review. Even more meaningless as AI is not impartial and will skew whatever they can in favor of their viewpoint.

> but to say that they don't cause death is, in my opinion, ludicrous.

No more ludicrous than claiming that they do cause death. Both statements are meaningless, or at best opinion, without scientific studies that can withstand peer review. The scientific studies that I have read clearly show that tasers are fairly safe when used properly. (I'm not making any statements about tasers being used improperly, which certainly happens.)

> And I do believe, once again, in my opinion, that they are used excessively.

As do I, but I try not to let my personal opinion shade science.


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