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budmanman
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bleach misting.
#7682453 - 11/26/07 04:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well I am trying the bleach misting and I did a 1/10- 1/15 bleach water mixture, like from the jug of bleach.
And I misted my many casings, is my ratio to potent?
Will def update with results.
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Re: bleach misting. [Re: budmanman]
#7682826 - 11/26/07 05:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do not mist with bleach, it is pointless and only serves to weaken the mycelia
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Re: bleach misting. [Re: Nibin]
#7683369 - 11/26/07 08:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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your ratios need to be up near 200:1
I think you have a little too much with your mix.
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Re: bleach misting. [Re: tahoe]
#7686134 - 11/27/07 01:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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bleach from the jug comes at 6% rite?
So 1/15 of that already makes it what?
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Re: bleach misting. [Re: budmanman]
#7686141 - 11/27/07 01:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i don't understand why so many people want to consume bleach so bad >.>
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Re: bleach misting. [Re: anarchOi]
#7686192 - 11/27/07 02:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I want it to ward of contams for later flushes.
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Re: bleach misting. [Re: budmanman]
#7686196 - 11/27/07 02:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
budmanman said: bleach from the jug comes at 6% rite?
So 1/15 of that already makes it what?
1/15 of 6% is 0.004
so am I good? lol
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Re: bleach misting. [Re: budmanman]
#7686228 - 11/27/07 02:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just my newbie experience. I've had no problems with contams once the myc has taken hold. I think the most important aspect of staying contam free is paying attention to always being clean as possible. I always use that alcohol gel hand cleaner before going anywhere near my grows, or just moving stuff around my grows. I go through that alcohol gel like mad. Oh I also Oust the room even if just to open my IC and peek in.
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Re: bleach misting. [Re: resptodd]
#7686236 - 11/27/07 02:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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around my 3rd flush trich loves to germinate and start to get the casing and works its way to the poo.
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Re: bleach misting. [Re: budmanman]
#7686467 - 11/27/07 03:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Budmanman, what do you do? At that point is it worth saving? I want nothing to do with green mold, once I see it, I trash it. When you finally see the green the mold has finally taken hold? I've seen no "for sure" teks of getting rid of it.
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Re: bleach misting. [Re: resptodd]
#7686478 - 11/27/07 03:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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There are no teks for getting rid of green mold, including bleach dunking and/or bleach misting. Use plain water for misting. Proper air exchange is the preventative measure for competitor fungi. RR
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Thanx RR
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Re: bleach misting. [Re: resptodd]
#7687756 - 11/27/07 07:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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budman
your problem is likely in your casing and/or your setup
if you're getting trich, usually it means your casing is too acidic or it could mean your FC temps are too high, too humid or something like that
bleaching your casings will damage the mycelium, leaving it open to contams
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Re: bleach misting. [Re: anarchOi]
#7687977 - 11/27/07 08:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Acidic casing can contribute to contams?
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Re: bleach misting. [Re: resptodd]
#7688009 - 11/27/07 08:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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that it can
that's why PH balancing is important when you use casing mixes instead of plain ol vermiculite which is simply a mineral and doesn't really have any nutrients
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Re: bleach misting. [Re: anarchOi]
#7688020 - 11/27/07 08:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've done all my casing so far with a 50/50. Should I change my casing? 6 Hpoo pans so far, 8 to go.
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Re: bleach misting. [Re: resptodd]
#7688053 - 11/27/07 08:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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50/50 what?
peatmoss often contains trich spores before you even get it, so you'll want to sterilize it then as it tends to be heavy on the acidic side of the PH scale even with 50/50 PM/Verm you'll want to add the right amount of hydrated lime to obtain a more neutral PH
i've heard people claim it practically eliminates trich from future grows
i wouldn't change the ones you've already done but the only time i played around with peat moss, it ended up in trich so you might want to consider 50/50+
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Re: bleach misting. [Re: anarchOi]
#7688162 - 11/27/07 08:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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50/50 peat/verm. Oh shit, so I might end up messing around with trich more than I want too. First caution I've come across about peat harboring trich.
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Re: bleach misting. [Re: resptodd]
#7688411 - 11/27/07 09:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's why we lime to pH 8 and pasteurize. RR
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RR, does the Ph change kill off trich? Is trich an acid lover?
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Re: bleach misting. [Re: resptodd]
#7688497 - 11/27/07 10:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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A high pH will slow down trichoderma, as well as helping to prevent trich spores from germinating. It also stresses mushroom mycelium, which prefers a lower pH, but not as much. The mushroom mycelium is more tolerant of high pH than most molds. RR
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RR, you know too much.
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Re: bleach misting. [Re: resptodd]
#7688890 - 11/28/07 12:07 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well if I mist with plain water from now on will the damage from the bleach be significant?
I swear I read a thread talking about how this guy used bleach and got a really good pinset or something.
and isn't bleach ph 10?
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Edited by budmanman (11/28/07 12:09 AM)
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Re: bleach misting. [Re: resptodd]
#7689468 - 11/28/07 08:25 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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resp
you do remember that acids are the low side of the PH scale right? so basically what i told you is right
budman i believe the thread you're talking about was just a coincidence he prolly just got a good pinset luckily even though he bleached it
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Re: bleach misting. [Re: anarchOi]
#7690031 - 11/28/07 11:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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based on the amount of bleach I used on that first mist, misting plain water from now on
Like I did not somehow ruin my whole grow did I?
Cause if not then I can chill =P
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Re: bleach misting. [Re: budmanman]
#7690066 - 11/28/07 11:43 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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No way did you ruin it. I have worked alongside w/ sublimemushead on this and seen some crazy results. Any time I have had a hard time initiating I have sprayed (once, don't over kill) and got my knots.
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Remember, it is all on you to go through w/ your own experiments. If you use a method you are unfamiliar w/ just go w/ one or two casings. Don't throw all your grow into a experimental process. Go small, see if you find any result, then expand. Don't let other deter you from hands on experience.
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Re: bleach misting. [Re: anarchOi]
#7690102 - 11/28/07 11:48 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
anarchOi said: resp
budman i believe the thread you're talking about was just a coincidence he prolly just got a good pinset luckily even though he bleached it
This was done with side by sides using an isolated clone, luck is such an assumption.
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Re: bleach misting. [Re: anarchOi]
#7690103 - 11/28/07 11:48 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, the pH thing, I always get it backwards. Low#=acid 7.5neutral High#alkaline. OK, I branded it into my skull.
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Re: bleach misting. [Re: resptodd]
#7690358 - 11/28/07 12:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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luck is such an assumption
I disagree. I think it's important to assume the results are not from what we suspect until after many trials. That's just good science. I've posted for years that ten percent bleach won't kill mushroom mycelium(or molds), but I have never noticed an increase in performance after using it. I'm not saying there isn't a correlation either, but the jury needs to remain out until more trials by other growers come in. Research is how we all learn. Good luck to all! RR
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We are on a third and I wish one of you could be here to see what we are seeing.
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I have been receiving updates w/ pics. And sometimes see for my own eyes. Personal friend.(Sublime that is) This is the only reason I say that someone unrelated to our experiment should not call for luck if you don't understand the practice( meaning in his set up{sublime}). I know that a pic doc. right up is going on and I can't wait for him to publish it. But I do you feel you RR, I know that sublime quotes by you and has turned me onto your work, w/ several other old hands I respect what you are saying.
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I had this big 5 gallon bucket fulla water that I already added some bleach to but its not a strong amount at all and it sat for many days so most of it probably evapped anyway,
so I just have been using that water. Should see some pinnage soon.
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Re: bleach misting. [Re: budmanman]
#7713575 - 12/03/07 11:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ahh I got some green >.< God damn it 3 trays so far I have sighted green on.
I leave my green house zipper t4 green house's unzipped all the way so that was suppose to be enough air exchange but apparently that must be the problem.
So now i will leave them open and fann it out 1 time may be 2 times a day.
1 tray has some good looking pins though gosh I hope most make it this stressful stuff.
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Re: bleach misting. [Re: budmanman]
#7713615 - 12/03/07 11:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you're getting green prior to first flush, the problem is your spawn, not your open greenhouse. Air exchange is great, but it won't make up for contmainated spawn. RR
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all my jars were fluffy completely white.
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Re: bleach misting. [Re: budmanman]
#7715617 - 12/04/07 02:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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They all looked like this when cased.
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Re: bleach misting. [Re: budmanman]
#7716016 - 12/04/07 03:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Looks like bulk addition. Are 100% on your pasterization.


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Yea it could be poor pasturisation cause its to rainy to get dry poo so its hard to cook it to the center.
I guess I will cook smaller amounts at a time darn it.
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Re: bleach misting. [Re: budmanman]
#7716898 - 12/04/07 06:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sometimes this is what we must do if conditions aren't right. I have many methods I have been using my oven with myco bags, keeping a candy thermometer in the center of just one. About every hr I spray them down really well, if not the whole bulk dries up. I also use this method to incubate my Actinomyces and beneficial's(125*-130* for 2 days).
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I think I will switch to straw in the winter cause you can get it dry.
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I think I will just pic up a bail.
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Re: bleach misting. *DELETED* [Re: budmanman]
#7718624 - 12/05/07 06:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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(not as cheap as a bale for2.50
its not 2.50!
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