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satyr
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Caapi tea alone??
#7682367 - 11/26/07 04:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have been considering making a brew of Caapi alone, with no admixtures. I have heard Many different debates and opinions on this, and am wondering if anyone on here has any personal experience with this plant alone. Many say that its useless without DMT, and some say that the plant itself has alot to teach in its own right. Advice?
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clorox
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Re: Caapi tea alone?? [Re: satyr]
#7682371 - 11/26/07 04:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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why take an maoi without the dmt? seems kinda pointless, or more people would do it...
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Re: Caapi tea alone?? [Re: clorox] 1
#7682613 - 11/26/07 04:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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why take an maoi without the dmt? seems kinda pointless, or more people would do it...
You couldn't be furthur from the truth. The vine is the soul.
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Re: Caapi tea alone?? [Re: schmutzen]
#7682620 - 11/26/07 04:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah, there are numerous reports on just the caapi alone, and they seem intriguing. i say go for it!
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Re: Caapi tea alone?? [Re: schmutzen]
#7682668 - 11/26/07 04:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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namaste said:
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why take an maoi without the dmt? seems kinda pointless, or more people would do it...
You couldn't be furthur from the truth. The vine is the soul.
Straight up Using just the Ayahuasca vine can be a soul shattering journey. And a lot of people do do it. Harmine and harmaline can give a intense journey, especially when using Ayahuasca vine. Taking the vine alone is a good way to familiarize yourself with the brew. Namaste is right caapi is the soul of the brew, and the DMT admixtures add light to the journey.
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satyr
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Re: Caapi tea alone?? [Re: muistrue]
#7682766 - 11/26/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks, sounds intriguing. i think after making MAOI preperations and some meditation I'll give it a go. ill just have to figure out an appropriate dosage
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Re: Caapi tea alone?? [Re: satyr]
#7682829 - 11/26/07 05:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you are using dried vine sections I say use 50-75 grams for your first time. It won't be too intense because of the absence of DMT but you might purge which is good because that is part of the cleansing and healing process that ayahuasca is all about.
Pulverize and shred the vine extremely well, then simmer for three hours. Strain, add more water simmer another three hours. take the combined extractions and simmer down to about 75-100ml. You also can add a little apple cider vinegar during the simmers to help extract the alkaloids. The vinegar will boil out so it won't taste it in your brew. This is how I do it but I add a mixture of Psychotria viridis and Diplopterys cabrerana which I'm sure you will want to do as well after you get to know the vine.
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Re: Caapi tea alone?? [Re: muistrue]
#7684602 - 11/27/07 05:03 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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sounds simple enough. Thanks alot. after a week or so of avoiding certain foods im going to set aside a whole day for it.
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Re: Caapi tea alone?? [Re: satyr]
#7684859 - 11/27/07 07:47 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I want to do the reverse - I want to use the DMT with the maoi.
After reading that people die off maoi's and how many different things it can interact with it seems impossible to not be having any side reactions without eating for half a week.
I'd rather just eat some MHRB if it was oral active without the maoi.
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Re: Caapi tea alone?? [Re: satyr]
#14575228 - 06/07/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Same exact question only i'm using Cappi leaf not the vine.
How long of a boil do you think? and would 10g be enough?
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i've been making tea from my caapi stems only about 3-4 g of material per serving i notice a slight mood lift, subtle change in thinking... i'm guessing much higher doses would be needed for anything really psychotropic
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A lot of people take caapi after eating normally and notice no ill effects.
Drug interactions are the truly dangerous ones - even plants that have high alkaloid concentrations (like ephedra, etc).
Caapi is not a very dangerous maoi, as it is reversible. If you're concerned, though... fasting for as little as a few hours before ingesting caapi should be enough to prevent any interactions.
But yes, caapi alone can be very interesting, and sometimes with the right mindset can be very psychedelic and mind blowing. It is quite euphoric if nothing else, and synergizes well with cannabis.
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I took the equivalent of 100 g of white caapi extract and mixed it into a few ounces of warm water and drank.
effects were noticed within mins. that lead to loss of motor control, crazy euphoria / dizziness.
But it didn't stop there. Auditory hallucinations like plastic pipes hitting together like 10 times a second and modulating off in the distance. On top of that there was a type of synesthesia that consisted of this overpowering force that was apparent in all parts of my body that felt like it was controlling me, while at the same time I'm hearing that hollowy buzzing sound and something like a greenish halo around everything. It's so very hard to explain but it was pretty nuts and I had not anticipated it.
At one point my cat knocked something over and it sounded very distorted and it was like I couldn't tell where the sound was coming from though it had happened a few feet away.
From that point on I was just seriously fucked up and attempting to make sense of it. I was already full on before I grabbed for the 'cruna. When I went for that I got sick and threw up some, there was little I could do to avoid it. I figured I would have had enough moai and downed the gloop. It was a pretty nice experience and was indeed partly responsible for my quitting drinking altogether.
I say try it but if you want to know the power then go for 100 g or up. I say up because if it were 100 g equivalent of extract then I doubt you would get the same amount of alkaloids out of that much by boiling alone. fwiw, it was way different that Syrian rue - which imo seemed easier to handle.
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Re: Caapi tea alone?? [Re: lurkmode]
#14584291 - 06/09/11 09:01 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've been thinking about brewing up some caapi tea for a while now, and just happened to see this thread. I think it would be a nice preparation for Ayahuasca.
My questions are these: would 10-20g and only a 1-2 hour boil be enough? I don't really have time to do multiple three hour simmers.
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Re: Caapi tea alone?? [Re: chopstick]
#14584545 - 06/09/11 09:55 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've had caapi tea alone many times.
The problem is that I would always say to myself, I'm hungry for some freebase DMT and why waste good caapi? And without fail, within the hour I am embarking on some God-fucking, artistic, universe-creating cumload of a trip.
So, no, I've never had just caapi alone. Even the best of intentions fail sometimes.
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Re: Caapi tea alone?? [Re: chopstick]
#14584589 - 06/09/11 10:03 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Enough for what? What are you expecting? Full-blown psychedelia? Then no way Jose.
10-20 g won't take you far to begin with no matter how long you boil.
If time is a factor then buy some caapi extract or caapi copy stuff.
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Re: Caapi tea alone?? [Re: lurkmode]
#14585444 - 06/09/11 01:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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the OP posted this in 07 
caapi alone is absolutely amazing...it can be extremely psychedelic at high doses..i mean full on visions and out of body experiences. The afterglow and positive affects from microdosing about 5g+ grams daily, in combination with a with weekly (or even more frequent, if i can) high dosing (with or without dmt) is LIFE CHANGING.
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