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First time grow... few FC questions
    #7679960 - 11/25/07 09:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)
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Hi... new to the site and growing these guys. I used the basic PF tek with BRF and 1/2 pt jars... incubated jars until full colonization, dunked and rolled in verm, and placed in terrarium. Terrarium has holes drilled on all sides and is humidified using perlite. This keeps the humidity at 95-99%. There are two problems in the FC:
To begin, the terrarium was left unattended for a week. The last time it was checked before being left there was minimal growth and only a few little pins. 6 days later, I returned to find only 2 cakes fruiting nicely. The rest of the cakes ( I birthed 8 cakes total) showed either very little or no pinning.
... but back to the two problems...

1- one of the cakes shows slight discoloration. (see pic 1) i believe this to be bruising from birthing the cakes, but to be honest the discoloration seems to have appeared while I was away.

2- only 2 of the cakes have very healthy growth. the others are showing little or no pinning. I believe this is influenced by 2 factors. First, the temperature of the FC was in the lower 60s when I returned...now that its being monitored its back up to the mid 70s.
Second, there was very little FAC, but many little holes drilled in the sides and bottom of the FC... how much does the terrarium need to be fanned?



thanks for the help


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Re: First time grow... few FC questions [Re: shmush]
    #7680220 - 11/25/07 11:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

To be honest. That looks to be like contamination. The Mycelium should be bluish if bruised, but thats looks gray or even green. From the picture I can make a few conclusions:

1. if this discoloration happened while you where gone, it can't be from damage from handling.
2. If you dunked and rolled, bruising doesn't continue to grow blue. Thus, this picture is telling me the discolored mycelium grew through the verm and is contaminated.

This is giving me these answers:
1. Contamination is cuasing the lack of growth.
2. Your not sticking to the rigorous conditions these little guys need to grow; 75 degrees, 95-100% Humidity, as much fresh air as possible, 12 hours of light.

Good luck


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Re: First time grow... few FC questions [Re: Mephisto616]
    #7680286 - 11/26/07 12:10 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

contamed! :scat:


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Re: First time grow... few FC questions [Re: katfish]
    #7680374 - 11/26/07 01:14 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Ok... the terrarium is back to 75 and getting fresh air, but I'm disappointed about the contamination. Does this affect the other 2 healthy cakes in terrarium? One of the cakes has tiny pins and looks to have the same contamination.

IS there ANY possible way this could be related to the temporary cold temperature? I'll try to upload a few more pictures so you can see it more clearly. I'm just new to the forum and not sure how everything works.

Thanks for the input!!


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Re: First time grow... few FC questions [Re: shmush]
    #7680375 - 11/26/07 01:15 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

In better lighting the cakes do look bluish... I'll try to get a photo on quickly


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Re: First time grow... few FC questions [Re: shmush]
    #7680543 - 11/26/07 03:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I wouldn't overly worry about the contam just yet, unless you see strange things on the cake.

Just up that FAE and keep the humidity high and you should see results soon.

Keep an eye on the cakes and as soon as you see something that looks dodgy take a pic and post it here.


Also, the way to tell if it is just bruising is to rub a cotton ear bud over the discoloration. If the cotton bud stains you are in trouble, if it doesn't, it is just bruising.


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Re: First time grow... few FC questions [Re: Nibin]
    #7680906 - 11/26/07 08:35 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Its not a good idea to leave your fruiting chamber for a week, not without making your its getting plenty of FAE. First its the most important pinning trigger and second, contams like still stale air.

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Re: First time grow... few FC questions [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7681280 - 11/26/07 10:31 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

im gonna build the same fruting chamber how many holes do i need to make an do i still need to fan out the air,allso should i put a lid on or leave the top open?


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Re: First time grow... few FC questions [Re: Substance D]
    #7681502 - 11/26/07 11:38 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

100+ about 4 - 5mm thick, if they are to big, all the moisture will escape.


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Re: First time grow... few FC questions [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7681875 - 11/26/07 01:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yes, I know leaving the FC was a horrible idea, however I had to leave for thanksgiving break... unavoidable. The problem I am having is that I have two perfectly healthy cakes... why would 2 flourish without FAE and the rest not even pin??

Thank you for telling me to upload the pics first, I didn't know how to do it...

heres a better picture:



see what you guys think.... I really appreciate the input!!


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Re: First time grow... few FC questions [Re: shmush]
    #7685851 - 11/27/07 12:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I tried the Q tip test and I believe the discoloration is simply bruising. Nothing came off on the q tip and in better lighting it seems that it is not contaminated... any thoughts?
I picked the other two cakes that flushed after the veils broke and they are drying as we speak. Excited to at least have something from the first flush!!


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Re: First time grow... few FC questions [Re: shmush]
    #7686364 - 11/27/07 03:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

now that doesn't look so bad, it might just be bruised.

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08/08/07 First mycelium show
09/03/07 Brazilian still colonizing, Three Mycobags inoculated with Koi Somui
10/11/07 2 Pint PESA 100% colonized. 1 pint Amazon 90% colonized
10/12/07 Storage bin perite FC constructed
10/28/07 Havested my First ever flush, of PESA!


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Re: First time grow... few FC questions [Re: katfish]
    #7686499 - 11/27/07 03:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

thanks for the input. i really think the poor lighting in the terrarium room was causing more grey/darker colors. im going to watch it to see if anything more appears.

thanks again


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