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Long term effects of marijuana?
    #7678960 - 11/25/07 05:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Okay so a post was made a while ago (lost it) and a lot of the long term effects I thought existed turned out didn't exist at all. So the title explains the majority of it. Here's what I've heard are the long term effects:

* Impaired memory
* Increased risk of bronchitis/infection in the lungs
* Occasional cough/ tar in lungs (not compared to tobacco)
* Increased risk of psychosis (small risk, but still increases)


That's all I know by heart. I had a lot of good links but Mozilla decided to erase them all. Links to support yourself are nice -- thanks for the help in advanced.


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Serdal]
    #7678994 - 11/25/07 05:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The whole bronchitis thing is such bullshit, so is the cough and tar. Marijauana tar is not like tobacco tar where it sticks to your lungs and clogs your alveoli, you cough up marijauna tar with mucous shortly after smoking.. even if you don't realize it. I don't even cough when I smoke weed..

Psychosis is really the only thing to worry about, after awhile it doesn't affect your memory as much as you think.


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7679008 - 11/25/07 05:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

prolonged question of authority...


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Serdal]
    #7679051 - 11/25/07 05:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I have no links to support this, but a person.

In high school, I befriended a girl, Andrea, who had started smoking pot in elementary school (not daily, but had tried it at least). She has a really hard time keeping friends because she is so insensitive. When I told her our close friend and very reliable dealer had died, she shrugged her shoulders, and said, "I'm going to work."

Another time, she pulled our friend Erika out of the gym because we were going to have breakfast after our exam, and Andrea couldn't wait a half an hour. She "hadn't ate anything in three days," and she said that "Erika was so insensitive to workout when she said she'd eat with us." (Even though Erika mentioned going to the gym, and Andrea and I were both still working on our exams when she left).

She always blows people off and never apologizes. There are millions of examples I can list of this girl not giving a shit about anyone or anything except pot and sex. She has led me to think that too much pot can make you insensitive and a terrible friend. She doesn't trip or do any drugs: just drinks and smokes everyday.

I did notice that pot (and Andrea) helped me stop being so sensitive about such silly little things in life, but I also stopped caring about things I used to care about and love (school, family, stage crew, youth group, etc.).

Don't know if that'll help you at all, but figured I'd throw it out there.


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: vitadura]
    #7679092 - 11/25/07 05:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

That's ridiculous that because this happened to one person you know you blame it on weed. Dude people like that are like that from the start, drugs don't change you like that they just bring out your true colors.


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: vitadura]
    #7679094 - 11/25/07 05:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

There was a study done where it said marijuana increases your relationships with your friends. Lucky for you, I have the link (assuming you have a myspace).

Anyways I was wondering about the long term effects on memory because I feel like mine has gone down, but it's probably my own paranoia.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=8963073&blogID=326701218&Mytoken=E8103BD5-1448-4A84-AE1CDC35E4C913A259965360


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Serdal]
    #7679115 - 11/25/07 05:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Serdal said:
* Impaired memory
* Increased risk of bronchitis/infection in the lungs
* Occasional cough/ tar in lungs (not compared to tobacco)
* Increased risk of psychosis (small risk, but still increases)





I've been using marijuana for years, and I can safely say that I have not had any of those symptoms.
And let's not forget - mucous in the lungs traps the tar and allows your body to cough it out. It doesn't stay trapped in there like tobacco tar does.


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Serdal]
    #7679116 - 11/25/07 05:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

For the record,
I had a cold last year. I smoked twice during this time once during the cold, and then again when I thought I was close to recovery. Subsequently I got a lung infection, which lasted a week. It is not necessarily because of Marijuana that I got this lung infection, but rather due to the fact that I smoked. Smoking while sick can have effects on your immune system. Marijuana from what I've read when *smoked* can slightly weaken the immune system, which for most healthy people is no big deal.

Caribou_Lou can you provide any sources that verify that Marijuana tar is coughed up after smoking? I have never heard this before and would like to read more.


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7679267 - 11/25/07 06:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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And let's not forget - mucous in the lungs traps the tar and allows your body to cough it out. It doesn't stay trapped in there like tobacco tar does.




Maybe he might know? I found it while I was doing a thesis paper on marijauana, and I would have no idea how to find it again (I didn't cite it).


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: confusion]
    #7679273 - 11/25/07 06:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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confusion said:
For the record,
I had a cold last year. I smoked twice during this time once during the cold, and then again when I thought I was close to recovery. Subsequently I got a lung infection, which lasted a week. It is not necessarily because of Marijuana that I got this lung infection, but rather due to the fact that I smoked. Smoking while sick can have effects on your immune system. Marijuana from what I've read when *smoked* can slightly weaken the immune system, which for most healthy people is no big deal.

Caribou_Lou can you provide any sources that verify that Marijuana tar is coughed up after smoking? I have never heard this before and would like to read more.




That is definitely true. If you smoke when you're sick it's very noticable because you will take much longer to recover, especially when it's a cold or some respiratory thing like that.


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7679380 - 11/25/07 07:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Straight from Erowid: "Can precipitate or exacerbate latent or existing mental disorders."

I know that when I was a heavy user a few years back, it did make my anxiety come out, and a lot of the emotional problems I developed as a child seemed to surface as well.

Looking back now, even though it was terrifying to have all the things I thought were gone come back, I can see it had a positive effect.

Because it precipitated my underlying anxiety that I had as a child, I was able to do therapy and tackle the problem.  Had I not smoked, I would be a different person of course, but I would have all those "personal demons" in my subconscious, dormant, and who knows when it could have surfaced.

So, I see some good in my use of pot.  Sure the relapse of my fears and anxiety was horrible, but now having been able to overcome it through therapy, I can honestly say: it did provide some good in my life.  It never permanently damaged my psyche.  It only surfaced the problems that I had already in my mind.

Plus, when I smoked, I learned how to play the guitar properly!!!:grin:  My pothead friend played, and at the time, I had quit the guitar because I never learned.  Well, I saw how easy it really was to play.  I dusted off my guitar, and picked it up again.  I haven't put it down since.


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7679414 - 11/25/07 07:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

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And let's not forget - mucous in the lungs traps the tar and allows your body to cough it out. It doesn't stay trapped in there like tobacco tar does.




Maybe he might know? I found it while I was doing a thesis paper on marijauana, and I would have no idea how to find it again (I didn't cite it).




Here's a clip showing an interview with a doctor who has researched marijuana, including effects on the lungs.
Listen to what he has to say:



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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7679454 - 11/25/07 07:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Is it true marijuana doesn't kill brain cells?

I heard it only slows them down when you're high and once your sober they speed back up.


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Wolfgang]
    #7679464 - 11/25/07 07:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Is it true marijuana doesn't kill brain cells?

I heard it only slows them down when you're high and once your sober they speed back up.




Define "slowing down a brain cell" if you would.


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7679498 - 11/25/07 07:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I heard it just slows brain cell activity for only a short while, I'm not too sure on the specifics though.


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Wolfgang]
    #7679507 - 11/25/07 07:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'm pretty sure it doesn't kill braincells, that's a myth. If it does it's not many, and much less than alcohol. I was under the impression that marijuana slightly affects your brain cells (memory loss) but then they eventually return to normal. I don't know much about that, but I've heard something along those lines.


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7679515 - 11/25/07 07:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I heard it was a myth.


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Wolfgang]
    #7679520 - 11/25/07 07:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

When I read it the person who wrote it used the word "freeze" I think, that sounds familiar


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Wolfgang]
    #7679544 - 11/25/07 07:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah I heard it was a myth.




I don't know why most people insist that if it's a psychedelic drug, it must cause brain damage of some kind.
What's up with that?

Can't they accept that there can be (and are) such drugs that have no damaging effects of any kind?


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7679552 - 11/25/07 07:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

MJ slows down the brain's metabolism (oxygen); mostly in the temporal lobes. Cessation will return the brain back to its normal metabolic functions.


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Grylls]
    #7679830 - 11/25/07 08:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

So basically smoke weed everyday is what im getting from all this.

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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7679831 - 11/25/07 08:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

THC binds to cannabinoid receptors in your brain and plays with them. No brain cells are killed. This is really something that should do further research on if your a fan of cannabis.


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: wendel]
    #7679836 - 11/25/07 08:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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THC binds to cannabinoid receptors in your brain and plays with them. No brain cells are killed. This is really something that should do further research on if your a fan of cannabis.




The fact that there are Cannabinoid receptors in the brain would indicate that some type of cannabinoids are supposed to take part in the brain's functionality, which would further indicate that cannabinoids are not harmful.


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Serdal]
    #7680258 - 11/25/07 11:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

There's no evidence that pot does anything to your memory that isn't reversed completely when you abstain for a prolonged period. Granted, the longer you smoke, the longer it will take for your memory to get back to normal capacity. Although I've read that people who smoke a lot tend to eventually have the same memory capacities as they do when sober because the brain rewires itself to compensate for what the weed is doing.

Smoking anything causes lung problems, but weed tends to be nearly benign compared to Tobacco. However, this is definitely something people who smoke long-term should be aware of and look into.

Pot doesn't cause psychosis. It can cause paranoia, and a severe panic attack may trigger psychosis. Professionals are still baffled by what causes psychosis. Some say it's genetic, others say it's stress, others say anxiety/panic attacks, others say all of the above, others say one has to be genetically predisposed but also have it triggered somehow.. the term schizophrenia is a fuzzy label with a hundred subtypes.

I personally believe that 1) somebody has to be predisposed to it, and then 2) something VERY stressful has to occur to trigger it. Usually very prolonged anxiety/stress. Therefore I advise that anyone predisposed NOT use pot or other psychedelics if it makes them paranoid. I wouldn't call this a "long term effect."

The worst effect from my experience is that pot really reduces your quality of sleep. This has catastrophic results in the long term. Chronic fatigue, brain fog, ADD, irritability, etc. I also miss dreaming.


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Quake3]
    #7680591 - 11/26/07 04:41 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

If I could get medical marijuana prescribed for anxiety, I would. It's more efficient to me than my zoloft or benzo medication I'm currently taking. The only time I had anxiety from marijuana was the first time I smoked... and I have never smoked that much since then - even if I tried to...I'd fail.


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: g00ru]
    #7680753 - 11/26/07 07:12 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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So basically smoke weed everyday is what im getting from all this.

:bongload::getstoned::gethigh:




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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7681330 - 11/26/07 10:52 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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That's ridiculous that because this happened to one person you know you blame it on weed. Dude people like that are like that from the start, drugs don't change you like that they just bring out your true colors.




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Thats why I say if you want to get to know a person A LOT better, smoke with them.


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    #7681433 - 11/26/07 11:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: MindGorilla]
    #7681466 - 11/26/07 11:29 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

what do they blame when somebody who doesnt smoke drugs goes insane?

i mean i hear all this drugs makes you go crazy bullshit, but i really think if ur gonna lose it ur gonna anyway, no matter how sober or fucked up u are.

to the OP

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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: pong]
    #7681524 - 11/26/07 11:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think the general consensus is that weed impairs your short-term memory, to the point that it's affected even when you're sober. But if you stop it will recover.


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7681867 - 11/26/07 01:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

That's such a small price to pay. And think about this, even if you didn't smoke pot you would still forget things. Because you smoke pot, and you can't remember certain things you automatically blame it on the weed.. when in reality it might have nothing to do with the weed. I think the memory thing isn't as bad as people think, my memory is definitely not as good but only by very little.


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7681921 - 11/26/07 01:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

My memory sucks, but it sucked way before I started toking. I'm an absent-minded dude, and I don't think the weed makes it much worse.


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7682018 - 11/26/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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My memory sucks, but it sucked way before I started toking. I'm an absent-minded dude, and I don't think the weed makes it much worse.



haha same here.

only the momry argument can apply because sometimes when ur really high its hard to remember certain things. as soon as the high subsides though everything comes flowing back.


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7682239 - 11/26/07 03:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

blah blah blah


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7682699 - 11/26/07 05:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

what happened to the video??

also,


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The fact that there are Cannabinoid receptors in the brain would indicate that some type of cannabinoids are supposed to take part in the brain's functionality, which would further indicate that cannabinoids are not harmful.




Yes, I believe natural cannabanoids type molecules are in the body, and they work similarly to cannabanoids. Some people though, actually try to use this fact to assert that cannabanoids latch onto the receptors like a "parasite".

Quote:

Walker concluded that this experiment appears to show electrical stimulation caused the release of a marijuana-like drug from the brain, which acted as a natural painkiller. "Under natural circumstances these cannabinoids are reaching the cells and keeping pain in check," he said.

Scientists have known for many years that the human body also uses a morphine-like substance to dampen pain. Some scientists believe marijuana may be an even more effective painkiller because the level of cannabinoid receptors in the spinal cord is 10 to 50 times higher than that of opiate receptors which respond to such legal painkillers as morphine.




http://www.brown.edu/Administration/George_Street_Journal/pot.html


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Grylls]
    #18549479 - 07/12/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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MJ slows down the brain's metabolism (oxygen); mostly in the temporal lobes.  Cessation will return the brain back to its normal metabolic functions.




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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: necrobytez]
    #18550598 - 07/12/13 08:35 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

And what's even more interesting is that the Endocannabinoid system does not have receptors in the heart, such as on the smooth muscle tissue.. That's why you can't overdose on it.. No amount of MJ could ever give you a heart attack. Now contrast this with the receptors for cocaine and opioid receptors for heroin. If you cross this very thin line you win I guess, but ur also dead.

It's even trippier to think that we have evolved such a specific host of mechanisms as to how to deal with these cannabinoids. This might mean, that sometime during the course of our evolution there was a period of co-existence and utilization of these cannabinoids.


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Serdal]
    #18551577 - 07/13/13 02:34 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Ive been smoking medical marijuana daily since i was 14,im now 19 i have bronchitus 3-5 times a year.I have to take steriods for my lungs now but i have chronic wheezing and bronchitus
Also i have the short term memory of an 80 year old,it affects my work and everything.
However i used to take 12-16 pills a day without effects i was miserable and throwing up all the time from chronic nausea.Now i take maybey 6 pills a da.Im now an active healthy part of society.I owe it all to medical marijuana but theres no denying it in countries where some people chronicly use marijuana like india you'll find lots of casses of chronic bronchitus.When using excess amounts of marijuana over a long period of time can do theese things


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #18553195 - 07/13/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Anandamide, first endogenous cannabinoid known to science, implicated in feelings of relaxation and hunger:



THC:



AFAIK they're called cannabinoid receptors because they are targeted by cannabis molecules and this is how they were discovered. Endogenous cannabinoids, themselves, weren't discovered and characterized until very recently. I'd wager that if dopamine was unknown to scientists before amphetamine's CNS effects were discovered, it would be called an "endogenous amphetamine" (endorphetamine? I like it!) and instead of the dopamine system we'd be talking about the amphetamine system.


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18553238 - 07/13/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Downregulation of cannibinioid receptor expression. That's about it really


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #18553873 - 07/13/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm pretty sure it doesn't kill braincells, that's a myth. If it does it's not many, and much less than alcohol. I was under the impression that marijuana slightly affects your brain cells (memory loss) but then they eventually return to normal. I don't know much about that, but I've heard something along those lines.




Given that I have smoked weed on and off a couple times over several month long durations within the past year, and also given that THC stays in your system for approximately 30 days (give or take a couple days), I've speculated that there are definitely memory-impairing effects caused by marijuana, but also that these memory-impairing effects wear off after 30 or so days (once the THC is no longer in your system).

To sum it up, 30 or so days after I smoke I notice my memory returns to normal as if nothing ever happened.


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: vitadura]
    #18553923 - 07/13/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

You are those annoying idiots giving weed a bad name, treating the drug like it some sort of amphetamine... Anyway the common effects are - get a bit dopey, short term memory loss, sleeping pattern fucks up, eating pattern fucks up. And to end it off you can only get these effects if your a chronic smoker.


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Psychotria]
    #25565651 - 10/25/18 07:33 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: agent_smith]
    #25565806 - 10/25/18 08:52 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: agent_smith]
    #25566001 - 10/25/18 10:16 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

There is no re-wiring going on, but until I read that bit, I kinda liked where you were going.

The long and the short of it is, Cannabis can be strong, and if you develop a habit of use and dependency you, have to stop the habitual behavior in order to get back to your normal way of being.

I recommend use in moderation and without operating machinery.


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #25566479 - 10/25/18 12:56 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

I’m a pretty heavy user. I use first thing in the morning through the day until bed. It’s very rare that I’m not under the influence while driving.

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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #25566651 - 10/25/18 02:21 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: agent_smith]
    #25566671 - 10/25/18 02:34 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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I've done some pretty extensive research on marijuana and because of that personally choose not to indulge. Although there are a lot of myths (however, that is true for both sides of the debate).

First of all, one has to define what marijuana is. Because naturally occurring, wild marijuana is an entirely different animal from what people smoke to get high. Wild marijuana always has high CBD relative to THC, which prevents any psychoactive effect. That's why wild strains are prized for breeding medical marijuana, because it produces the famous high CBD strains you hear about that are responsible for the various medical miracles.

Then you have hemp and psychoactive marijuana, which have both been selectively bread over many thousands of years. Hemp was bread to have very low to zero THC, whereas marijuana was bread to have high THC levels. When the amount of THC exceeds the amount of CBD, that's when it starts becoming psychoactive.

As far as long term effects, it depresses your endocannabinoid system. It "burns out" your cannabinoid receptors. This causes sluggish gut. It also causes your body to produce less of the feel-good endocannabinoids, so your mood isn't real great when you come off of it, and it can take years for things to get back to normal. This is why people who smoke weed for a long time can't eat without it, because they're no longer capable of digestion without outside cannabinoids to stimulate their gut. I imagine that's also the culprit in cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome; those people have probably just totally screwed up their CB receptors to the point that their body doesn't know if it's coming or going anymore.

There's also a reduction in gray matter in the brain and a sympathetic increase in neural connections to make up for the loss. Essentially it's the same coping mechanism the brain uses to overcome brain damage. However, CBD has neuroprotective effects, so high CBD strains (which unfortunately have no feel-good effects, but are medically useful) don't cause that loss of gray matter or the associated rewiring. With that said, CBD even on its own does down regulate the endocannabinoid system and reduces gut motility, which makes it an effective and time honored treatment for diarrhea.

Maybe the most dangerous aspect of marijuana is its impact on IQ. It's as close to medical fact as a theory can get that psychoactive marijuana lowers IQ, and it's orders of magnitude more dangerous for young people. BTW, there is a longitudinal study that rules out the possibility of low IQ individuals being more likely to take up the bong; the opposite seems to be true in many cases. The scary part is that this reduction in IQ only requires occasional use by teenagers. It's one thing for adults to occasionally indulge, but quite another for young people, which seems to be a common theme with everything, including alcohol.

With all that said, I think marijuana could easily replace the majority of OTCs and many prescriptions, and with less side effects and less damage. If people could self regulate and only use marijuana for the occasional headache or upset stomach I don't see how it could be any more harmful than the OTCs, and goodness knows it's WAY more effective.

The bottom line for me is that psychoactive marijuana is a very contrived substance. There's a very pronounced pattern in genetically modified foods being harmful, and I think that's the biggest thing marijuana has going against it. For example, things like corn and wheat, being selectively bread over thousands of years, have some unwanted side effects compared to less contrived foods. This is very unscientific, but I'm a creationist, and therefore believe that God designed everything, and that human departure from those designs is going to have negative consequences.

And again, very unscientific, but marijuana was disparaged by ancient healing systems like traditional Chinese medicine and Ayurvedic medicine. They saw it as a poison with no medical uses. They recognized of course that it alleviated symptoms, but those systems were focused on treating root causes of illness, not masking symptoms at the expense of further compromising the body.

One thing I wholeheartedly believe is that if you're going to use marijuana you should be using the naturally occurring strains that grow wild. They have a perfect balance of cannabinoids. I think it's dangerous to use marijuana with artificially altered CB ratios. There's no such thing as a "bad" CB. It's all a matter of the right amount in the right proportion to others. Like with THC. THC has many great benefits, but it has to be taken with CBD to prevent neurological damage. I find it beyond coincidental that wild marijuana just so happens to have this perfect balance where you get all the benefits of THC with the perfect blend of other CBs to provide neuroprotective elements. And of course that's only two out of at least a hundred CBs, so you can imagine what else we don't know about.




you are very informed about marijuana, i suggest you partake to finalize your studies.


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #25567166 - 10/25/18 06:03 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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There is no re-wiring going on, but until I read that bit, I kinda liked where you were going.

The long and the short of it is, Cannabis can be strong, and if you develop a habit of use and dependency you, have to stop the habitual behavior in order to get back to your normal way of being.

I recommend use in moderation and without operating machinery.




What do you consider moderation? As far as weed


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #25568119 - 10/26/18 12:11 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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The whole bronchitis thing is such bullshit, so is the cough and tar. Marijauana tar is not like tobacco tar where it sticks to your lungs and clogs your alveoli, you cough up marijauna tar with mucous shortly after smoking.. even if you don't realize it. I don't even cough when I smoke weed..

Psychosis is really the only thing to worry about, after awhile it doesn't affect your memory as much as you think.




Use a vaporizer I personally think they are much safer and better for your health


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Re: Long term effects of marijuana? [Re: agent_smith]
    #25574503 - 10/28/18 05:34 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

You have some good ideas here, but I think a few things need a bit of clarification. To preface this, I'd like to say that I'm not one of the people who thinks Cannabis has no negatives, or that it's some kind of "miracle" plant. I do, however, feel like some of the negatives are slightly exaggerated by some people.

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kaptanjak said:
First of all, one has to define what marijuana is. Because naturally occurring, wild marijuana is an entirely different animal from what people smoke to get high. Wild marijuana always has high CBD relative to THC, which prevents any psychoactive effect. That's why wild strains are prized for breeding medical marijuana, because it produces the famous high CBD strains you hear about that are responsible for the various medical miracles.

Then you have hemp and psychoactive marijuana, which have both been selectively bread over many thousands of years. Hemp was bread to have very low to zero THC, whereas marijuana was bread to have high THC levels. When the amount of THC exceeds the amount of CBD, that's when it starts becoming psychoactive.



Having 1:! CBD:THC ratios doesn't automatically mean you don't get high. CBD does alter the effects of THC, but it isn't as simple as CBD negates THC. THC also does have some medical benefits. Increased appetite, and a feeling of calmness and well-being are both commonly felt when one consumes THC. These are great for people who have a hard time eating (ie. chemo patients) or high stress levels. THC also helps people get sleep, which in itself is a huge benefit. Lack of sleep is detrimental to well-being and if a few puffs of high THC bud can help someone get a full night of rest, there is potential for it to help them function better, overall.

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As far as long term effects, it depresses your endocannabinoid system. It "burns out" your cannabinoid receptors. This causes sluggish gut. It also causes your body to produce less of the feel-good endocannabinoids, so your mood isn't real great when you come off of it, and it can take years for things to get back to normal. This is why people who smoke weed for a long time can't eat without it, because they're no longer capable of digestion without outside cannabinoids to stimulate their gut. I imagine that's also the culprit in cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome; those people have probably just totally screwed up their CB receptors to the point that their body doesn't know if it's coming or going anymore.




Not everyone who uses Cannabis, even on a daily basis, loses their sober appetite, or ability to enjoy life. If you abuse it, and are stoned all day, every day, you may very well experience some of those negatives, but I wouldn't say Cannabis just ruins your ability to function while sober. I would just advise caution when using any chemical substance. Too much of anything can be harmful. Cannabis is no exception.

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There's also a reduction in gray matter in the brain and a sympathetic increase in neural connections to make up for the loss. Essentially it's the same coping mechanism the brain uses to overcome brain damage. However, CBD has neuroprotective effects, so high CBD strains (which unfortunately have no feel-good effects, but are medically useful) don't cause that loss of gray matter or the associated rewiring. With that said, CBD even on its own does down regulate the endocannabinoid system and reduces gut motility, which makes it an effective and time honored treatment for diarrhea.

Maybe the most dangerous aspect of marijuana is its impact on IQ. It's as close to medical fact as a theory can get that psychoactive marijuana lowers IQ, and it's orders of magnitude more dangerous for young people. BTW, there is a longitudinal study that rules out the possibility of low IQ individuals being more likely to take up the bong; the opposite seems to be true in many cases. The scary part is that this reduction in IQ only requires occasional use by teenagers. It's one thing for adults to occasionally indulge, but quite another for young people, which seems to be a common theme with everything, including alcohol.



The changes in brain matter mass/percentages are interesting. THC seems to be the biggest culprit here, out of the currently tested cannabinoids (based on my research). CBD is reported to minimize these negative effects.

As for IQ, the studies don't seem to be extremely definitive, as there are a range of other factors that can contribute to lowered IQ scores, including things that can also predispose people to start/continue drug use in the first place. More studies need to be done to clearly measure the extent of brain damage and IQ loss caused solely by Cannabis consumption.

Another thing to consider in regards to brain effects, is the fact that a lot of Cannabis studies utilize smoking as a means of consumption. Smoke in general is harmful, and can interfere with the data. Precisely measured edibles or even Cannabis vapor would be better for future experiments.

I agree 100% that people should not be using drugs for recreational purposes (including Cannabis, alcohol, psychedelics, etc.) until they are >21 (>25 would be even better). Studies show that changes caused by Cannabis in minors tend to be longer lasting and more damaging than those noticed in adults.

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With all that said, I think marijuana could easily replace the majority of OTCs and many prescriptions, and with less side effects and less damage. If people could self regulate and only use marijuana for the occasional headache or upset stomach I don't see how it could be any more harmful than the OTCs, and goodness knows it's WAY more effective.

The bottom line for me is that psychoactive marijuana is a very contrived substance. There's a very pronounced pattern in genetically modified foods being harmful, and I think that's the biggest thing marijuana has going against it. For example, things like corn and wheat, being selectively bread over thousands of years, have some unwanted side effects compared to less contrived foods. This is very unscientific, but I'm a creationist, and therefore believe that God designed everything, and that human departure from those designs is going to have negative consequences.

And again, very unscientific, but marijuana was disparaged by ancient healing systems like traditional Chinese medicine and Ayurvedic medicine. They saw it as a poison with no medical uses. They recognized of course that it alleviated symptoms, but those systems were focused on treating root causes of illness, not masking symptoms at the expense of further compromising the body.

One thing I wholeheartedly believe is that if you're going to use marijuana you should be using the naturally occurring strains that grow wild. They have a perfect balance of cannabinoids. I think it's dangerous to use marijuana with artificially altered CB ratios. There's no such thing as a "bad" CB. It's all a matter of the right amount in the right proportion to others. Like with THC. THC has many great benefits, but it has to be taken with CBD to prevent neurological damage. I find it beyond coincidental that wild marijuana just so happens to have this perfect balance where you get all the benefits of THC with the perfect blend of other CBs to provide neuroprotective elements. And of course that's only two out of at least a hundred CBs, so you can imagine what else we don't know about.



I would avoid automatically assuming that selectively bred plants are more dangerous for us. Nature wasn't "designed" for humans. Every species has evolved to suit its own needs. Who's to say that some modifications can't make "natural" things more useful for us humans? Look at snake venom. If you let a venomous snake bite you, you'd be lucky to live, but the same venom can be modified to treat human illnesses.

In the case of Cannabis, it may very well be the case, that strains bred for high THC and low CBD levels are more harmful than those found in nature, but there are other tings to consider as well. If you are consuming any negative byproducts when you smoke/vape, having Cannabis with higher THC levels would allow you to inhale less of those, since you would need to use less of it. It would be interesting to the differences between someone who smokes lets say 3x as much wild Cannabis and someone who takes a few hits off of some selectively bred, indoor grown, high THC bud. Surely, the first person would be inhaling significantly more ash, benzine, etc.. How would the higher THC levels compare? We need more studies!

Also, ancient Chinese medicine included cannabis use.(Brand, E. J., & Zhao, Z. (2017). Cannabis in Chinese Medicine: Are Some Traditional Indications Referenced in Ancient Literature Related to Cannabinoids?. Frontiers in pharmacology, 8, 108. doi:10.3389/fphar.2017.00108)


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