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    #7678074 - 11/25/07 02:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Hi,

I've been depressed since I was 14 (I'm now 22). Two years ago, I had a mental breakdown that I never recovered from, and my depression got a million times worse, I developped a myriad of anxiety disorders, and terrible insomnia. I was put on a heavy amount of medications, that make life berable from day to day, but don't really treat the underlining symptoms. Living so doped up in and of itself is horrible. I do intend to get clean, but not at the moment, as I have school and can't manage both at the same time.

2+ years ago, I did not use drugs of any kind. Since then, in addition to the pharmaceuticals, I have tried a number of drugs that do numb the pain (speed, coke, alcohol etc), but once again they do not really treat the underlining issues, and I did not really learn anything from them. Marijuana I did not enjoy at all, in fact I found it painful and depressing, but it forced me to take a hard look at some issues I was ignoring before, and I DID learn from it. MDMA I enjoyed very much, and once again, perhaps because of its 'mind expanding' properties, I learned a lot from it as well - hope, forgiveness, the reminder of the feeling of happiness, etc. These two drugs I find, did help partially pull me out of the rut of my life... but nowadays I am used to the effects of these drugs, and I don't feel I have anything new to learn from them.

I'm considering trying mushrooms in case it can provide me with any insights into my life; I want nothing more than to get better, and drugs like MDMA and marijuana have helped. To be honest I have wanted to try out a real psychedelic experience for a while, but back then, it was more because the glorified view of them in some of my favorite music, movies etc sounded intriguing. I wanted a 'good trip.' Today, I am maybe more interested than ever, but I am not expecting netiher a good trip nor a bad one, I just want to face up to the drug and learn from it as much as I can, regardless of whether the experience itself is pleasurable or not. I want to move forward in life, and I guess that's the key thing. There is some worry that it might make me sicker or worsen my mental problems, which is why I'd like to ask the board what they think, because I realize that mushrooms are in a different league than MDMA or marijuana. Again, I'm mainly just looking for opinions, as I know that no one can tell me for sure whether this is a good idea or not.

Of course, if I do decide to do this, I'll be sure to start out at a very low dose and in a good setting when I am free of responsibilities for the day, and will have plenty of good, calming music on hand. I have done lots of reading on the drug and intend to do as much more as possible.

Thanks to all.


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: follow]
    #7678098 - 11/25/07 02:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

do you think you need drugs to get over you depression? why are you depressed

the more open you are the more you can learn from the mushroom


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: milkman]
    #7678115 - 11/25/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not really sure what can help me get over my depression. Time will help sure, but I know I'll have to wait a really long time. I'm also seeing a therapist, and yeah some drugs have helped, but I don't expect them to fix everything.

I guess that's part of the thing, I'm searching for new insights as to what I can do to fix my life, different ways of seeing things, etc, and some drugs have helped with that.


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    #7678121 - 11/25/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: acommunistspy]
    #7678142 - 11/25/07 02:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

eat healthy workout dont be afraid to have fun try new things spend money eat mushrooms tell us how it went


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: acommunistspy]
    #7678148 - 11/25/07 02:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Well, it's probably partially biological, as most of my family does suffer from depression. I accept that some level of depression will probably always be a part of my life, but I want it to go back to the manageable point it was before.

I've been unhappy all my life due to family/social problems, but the 'depression' so to speak didn't really manifest until I became a teenager. Two years ago I unexpectedly lost almost everything that was important to me, and I really got fucked up.


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: follow]
    #7678166 - 11/25/07 02:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Psychedelics can sometimes have the tendency to trigger/worsen underlying mental issues too, not always cure them. Be careful, I've known some depressed people that went completely nuts from using LSD.


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: acommunistspy]
    #7678171 - 11/25/07 02:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

mushrooms will help you think about your problems, maybe even find the root of these problems.

alcohol numbs pain. shrooms , ((if you are in pain)) will magnify it.

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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: Robo]
    #7678172 - 11/25/07 02:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Adagio said:
Psychedelics can sometimes have the tendency to trigger/worsen underlying mental issues too, not always cure them. Be careful, I've known some depressed people that went completely nuts from using LSD.




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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: pong]
    #7678186 - 11/25/07 02:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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pong said:
alcohol numbs pain. shrooms , ((if you are in pain)) will magnify it.
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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: Robo]
    #7678249 - 11/25/07 02:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Just be careful, that's all. Consider the possible consequences (good and bad) that may arise as a result of your psychedelic use, and whether or not it's worth it to risk possibly having negative side-effects.

Always use caution, it's not for everyone. But, go for it if you are confident enough in your mental state.


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: Robo]
    #7678423 - 11/25/07 03:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I've had two years to mull things over and I'm frustrated at the lack of change. I feel like I need to take some risks in order to move forward. If this goes positively, I could end up with a fresh angle on my situation. If it goes badly though, the idea of losing my mind all over again is pretty fucking scary.

It would have been a terrible idea no doubt to try this back when my problems were new to me. But, it's old pain now and I've had years to think about it, and I'm hoping that being used to the situation will help me through the experience should I decide to try it. I know I HAVE built some confidence. Having been through what I went through 2 years ago, I feel that there aren't that many things that could be worse to endure mentally, and as such I might finally have built some strength to get through other difficult situations. But at the end of the day I guess it's impossible to predict what I'm getting into, having no psychedelic frames of reference.


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: follow]
    #7678432 - 11/25/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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follow said:
If this goes positively, I could end up with a fresh angle on my situation. If it goes badly though, the idea of losing my mind all over again is pretty fucking scary.



I've been there, man. It is indeed scary. I wish you the best of luck and hope you make the right choice (whatever that may be for you).  :smile2:


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: acommunistspy]
    #7678479 - 11/25/07 03:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think medication can be useful in recovery from anxiety, depression or both. But should not be used as the sole form of therapy.

However, the common method of treating an emotional disorder is to prescribe a medication, and turn the patient loose to "see if that helps." It turns out, that the medication only dulls the effects of anxiety, but DOES NOT eliminate it. It can be useful in conjunction to anxiety/depression programs, but should never take the place of therapy or other programs focused on cognitive-behavioral therapy.

Any emotional disorder is NOT caused by chemical imbalances in the brain. This is a misconception that conventional medicine does not recognize--and even some psychiatrists! It is the end result of emotional baggage, cognitive dissonance, beliefs, inaccurate models of reality, expectations, negative self-talk, negative self-concepts, unresolved issues at work, home, from childhood etc. That is why medication will never resolve anxiety.

I used to have general anxiety, panic disorder, and lots of obsessive quirks. I've never taken SSRIs or any medication for my recovery. I recovered by learning about psychology, the nature of personal reality, relationships with others, and a very powerful cognitive-behavioral based program.


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: Grylls]
    #7678754 - 11/25/07 04:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I hope you can get over your depression dude. IMHO, mushrooms might not be what you're looking for. But then again, you say you've been depressed for a while so I'll assume that you've tried plenty of other options as well. If you do go through with it make sure you have a sitter and make sure you research it a bunch so that you know what you're getting into.


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: g00ru]
    #7678840 - 11/25/07 04:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

This is the wrong group to ask this question to...


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: Mourningdove]
    #7678852 - 11/25/07 04:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Honestly, I don't think he needs to do the mushrooms or really any psychedelic for that matter if he has had problems with depression and anxiety. It's his decision,though.


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: Mourningdove]
    #7678903 - 11/25/07 04:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Who is the right group?

And thanks to all for the comments.


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: follow]
    #7678946 - 11/25/07 05:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Just make sure to eat a small to medium sized ammount. Don't take them on a day when you are feeling depressed or anxious, period. You will automatically have a bad trip if you do. And don't be scared of the possibility of having a bad trip or that will make you have a bad trip. Also don't do them alone or in silent darkness like some people might recomend. After all how much fun can a person experience sitting by themselves in silent darkness. Shrooms are about magnifying the senses IMO so why not have visual and or musical stimuli? IMO music and or video entertainment can enhance trips and so can taking walks outside. Just don't sit around on them. You must be able to have fun without the shrooms for the shrooms to magnify that fun if you get what I am saying. I learned that the hard way.


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: Robo]
    #7679037 - 11/25/07 05:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I suffer from depression a lot, too... probably not as severe as what you go through, but nonetheless, it's noticeable. From my past experience, the only times I felt normal was when I was on Adderall... but I didn't like that. I was also on Zoloft for about a year, and it didn't do anything.

If you've ever heard of Salvia, it can be a very good antidepressant. After a good Salvia trip, it can leave you feeling happy and refreshed for days, despite the almost always intense and horrifying trip. I've done Salvia many, many times, and noticed no negative mental effects (aside from an increased frequency of deja-vu). I also tried mushrooms a few months ago... it was nothing like I expected, but in a good was. It was, now that I look back on it, the most beautiful, important experience of my life. It really caught me off guard, though. I did a pretty strong dose, and I just kept thinking "What's going on? What did I do to myself?".

After the trip, while I was still kinda coming down, I had this horrible feeling like I would never be the same, and that I wouldn't be able to hide the things that I'd seen. Slowly, but surely, I went to sleep, and the next morning, I felt back to normal again. I guess this has turned into more of a trip report than a small bit of helpful advice, but I just wanted to say, psychedelics (specifically mushrooms) haven't made me "go crazy", even though I had a bit of a bad trip at the beginning.

I wouldn't worry about going crazy or having a bad trip anyway. Just think about positive things, have good, inspirational music, and keep a piece of paper and a pencil with you at all times. I didn't find it necessary to have a sitter, because he didn't really help calm me down much (I was freaking out at one point, and I was asking him what to do; he kept telling me to go with the flow, but I, for some reason, thought everything he was saying was "fake")... also, he said he was pretty fucking bored, because the whole time, I pretty much just sat on the floor, listening to music, and waved my hands around over the ground. I did, however, end up with some pretty bizarre scribblings the next day... :wink:


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: Robo]
    #7679061 - 11/25/07 05:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i wouldn't do it man. psychedelics will usually intensify whatever mood your in. you say you've been depressed for a long time so i don't see how shrooms are gonna help your situation.


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: Robo]
    #7770522 - 12/17/07 05:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Hi guys,

I couldn't remember what my password was so I reregistered - sorry about that.

I did end up trying the mushrooms today.

As for the mushrooms, I'm very confident they were legit, as they were from a trusted and experienced source.

The experience really was really different from what I was expecting though, and I'm not sure what to think.

I decided that for the first time I'd try it out with a very small dose, starting off with 0.75 mg dried, and if I reacted okay to that, would take another 0.75 mg dried an hour later, but not go over a total of 1.5 grams this time, to be on the safe side. I took them with a shot glass and 2mg clonazepam to relieve anxiety, but since I take clonazepam daily it doesn't really have any impairing effects on me.

I wasn't feeling much after an hour, so I took the rest. The experience didn't really intensify after this either, so it did make me wonder whether having taken more later would actually intensify the experience, or whether it's only what you start out with that counts. Can anyone clarify on this?

The most noticeable effects I got was that colours really brightened, and were much more intense and vivid than what I am used to. During the 'peak' of the effects I noticed that the walls sort of had a 3-D effect to them, and that if I focused really hard on them they'd sort of form mild patterns. I did get somewhat high, I felt a moderate mental buzz as well as a mood lift.

I was surprised at how incredibly easy it was to handle, contrary to the many many reports I read suggesting otherwise. This a period in my life where I have a lot of anxiety, and all of it just melted away. There was no paranoia whatsoever. I have a lot of skeletons in my closet, and I guess I was expecting a somewhat more confrontational experience, but it didn't happen. I did consider some negative aspects of my life, and none of them were difficult to deal with, nor did I get stuck on them or feel depressed. I couldn't really picture any way this could go bad, and it never did.

This is coming from a person who gets incredible paranoia, depression, self-criticism, and anxiety when smoking marijuana.

I felt really clear minded, too. Too clear minded almost... I set off the day to myself to not have any responsibilities, but I think I would have been able to carry out whatever I had to without any problems. Overall, it really wasn't very intense at all... a strong marijuana buzz, to me, was much, much more intense than this, and a lot more "out of control."

After a few hours when the effects wore off I began to feel a bit depressed, but that wore off too after a bit.

So, overall it was pleasant, but I am somewhat disappointed in sense that I didn't really learn anything from it... it didn't alter my way of thinking, nor my perceptions too much. The whole thing was really quite underwhelming.

I don't know, any thoughts? Does this sound like a normal experience, or not?

I am also prescribed Seroquel 100mg (an antipsychotic) "off label" for insomnia to use on rare occasions when my insomnia is really out of hand. I have heard that people use these drugs to abort trips. I did take it 2 nights ago, probably not long enough ago for it to clear out of my system, so I'm thinking maybe it was responsible for toning down the effects.


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: Robo]
    #7770651 - 12/17/07 05:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Im glad to see your looking into mushrooms as a way to not only learn but help you personally. I think this type of thinking behind it (plus not caring about a bad trip) is just the type of thinking that will let you get the most (pleasurable) experience mushrooms have to offer. I personally think you can benefit highly from mushrooms, but I would definitely get yourself a sitter because it can magnify the problems but that again is a maybe. Regardless its good to be safe.
So I would definitely try mushrooms I think they have a good possibility to helping you. You might also want to try some opioids. Now dont get yourself addicted to anything, but they do create some intense euphoria, which will kill your mental pain.
That aside I think mushrooms have the possibility of being more beneficial in the long run. Just letting you know of a short term idea.

Hope it works out for you man:grin:


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: follow2]
    #7770694 - 12/17/07 05:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Hi guys,

I couldn't remember what my password was so I reregistered - sorry about that.

I did end up trying the mushrooms today.

As for the mushrooms, I'm very confident they were legit, as they were from a trusted and experienced source.

The experience really was really different from what I was expecting though, and I'm not sure what to think.

I decided that for the first time I'd try it out with a very small dose, starting off with 0.75 mg dried, and if I reacted okay to that, would take another 0.75 mg dried an hour later, but not go over a total of 1.5 grams this time, to be on the safe side. I took them with a shot glass and 2mg clonazepam to relieve anxiety, but since I take clonazepam daily it doesn't really have any impairing effects on me.

I wasn't feeling much after an hour, so I took the rest. The experience didn't really intensify after this either, so it did make me wonder whether having taken more later would actually intensify the experience, or whether it's only what you start out with that counts. Can anyone clarify on this?

The most noticeable effects I got was that colours really brightened, and were much more intense and vivid than what I am used to. During the 'peak' of the effects I noticed that the walls sort of had a 3-D effect to them, and that if I focused really hard on them they'd sort of form mild patterns. I did get somewhat high, I felt a moderate mental buzz as well as a mood lift.

I was surprised at how incredibly easy it was to handle, contrary to the many many reports I read suggesting otherwise. This a period in my life where I have a lot of anxiety, and all of it just melted away. There was no paranoia whatsoever. I have a lot of skeletons in my closet, and I guess I was expecting a somewhat more confrontational experience, but it didn't happen. I did consider some negative aspects of my life, and none of them were difficult to deal with, nor did I get stuck on them or feel depressed. I couldn't really picture any way this could go bad, and it never did.

This is coming from a person who gets incredible paranoia, depression, self-criticism, and anxiety when smoking marijuana.

I felt really clear minded, too. Too clear minded almost... I set off the day to myself to not have any responsibilities, but I think I would have been able to carry out whatever I had to without any problems. Overall, it really wasn't very intense at all... a strong marijuana buzz, to me, was much, much more intense than this, and a lot more "out of control."

After a few hours when the effects wore off I began to feel a bit depressed, but that wore off too after a bit.

So, overall it was pleasant, but I am somewhat disappointed in sense that I didn't really learn anything from it... it didn't alter my way of thinking, nor my perceptions too much. The whole thing was really quite underwhelming.

I don't know, any thoughts? Does this sound like a normal experience, or not?

I am also prescribed Seroquel 100mg (an antipsychotic) "off label" for insomnia to use on rare occasions when my insomnia is really out of hand. I have heard that people use these drugs to abort trips. I did take it 2 nights ago, probably not long enough ago for it to clear out of my system, so I'm thinking maybe it was responsible for toning down the effects.



Oh cool you did try them. Well it was smart to start at that low dose, might have been too low though. Also It doesnt really help to eat that many after the trip has started because they were both little doses. It would have been better to take it all at once. Also I would have taken the clonazepam because (correct me if Im wrong) benzos can kill a trip. So next time take like 1.5 grams and a moderately empty stomach, and I wouldnt take it with any other meds. Let me know how it goes, good luck!


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: acommunistspy]
    #7775947 - 12/18/07 11:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

hello,
man, please stop worrying about your "myriad" of disorders. the more you label, section off, and divide yourself the more confused sad and unstable you become. trust me, iv played this same game so many times.....

you are just you. that is the hardest lesson we all need to learn. just who we are.
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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: follow2]
    #7775976 - 12/18/07 11:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I couldn't remember what my password was so I reregistered - sorry about that.




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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: follow2]
    #7775993 - 12/18/07 11:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I've never found benzos to take away from the trip, they more or less just take the edge off.


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: fapjack]
    #7776013 - 12/18/07 11:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

the edge is my favorite part


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: fapjack]
    #7776060 - 12/18/07 11:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

That "edge" is the parts of the trip that actually challenge you and teach you something, in my experience. Anything that takes that away gets rid of a key part of the trip.


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: EllisDSox]
    #7776209 - 12/19/07 12:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Hey, I had pretty bad depression a while ago, so I think I can relate on some level to how you feel. It would help a lot though to know how you feel.

It's good that you started off at a low dose, even if you didn't feel much. It lets you get a general feel for it so if you take more sometime you won't be caught completely off-guard.

I have a lot of paranoia, things people might find absurd, like the fear of the world ending and dying. But when I take shrooms all of that goes away, sounds like it did for you too. It's amazing, I wish I could take shrooms more often then I do now because of that. No other substance has made me feel so comfortable.

I usually take 1/16th and it's enough for me, and I like not having to spend a lot to feel the effects. I was a bit worried that mushrooms might have a bad effect on you, but it seems to have been good, like it was with me.

If you live in a warm area, or wait until spring/summer time, I strongly suggest taking them and walking in the woods. It is an amazing experience that let me look at nature and life in a different way, and see that there is beauty in life.

"I couldn't really picture any way this could go bad, and it never did."
heh, I had the same thought. I did them with friends and we were all soooo happy, it was one of the best days of my life.

"This is coming from a person who gets incredible paranoia, depression, self-criticism, and anxiety when smoking marijuana."

thats exactly how I get too. I usually only take one hit now, and it's enough to make me feel good, without too much of those bad effects. I usually drink alcohol which calms me, then take one though.

The main thing that made me view life differently and come out of my depression was LSD, it was over a year , maybe two years ago, I took one tab of LSD and then I didn't feel much after an hour so I took a hit of weed, and woooow it became a full blown trip. amazing colors and still pictures were moving. It was so beautiful. But I don't suggest you take it unless you really research it for a while and google what effects they have when taken with the prescribed medications you are on. Even then it's pretty hard to find for most people.

Just be careful, don't up the dose of shrooms too high at a time, I'd say keep going up a gram or so you don't end up taking too much. But if you feel like a certain dose is perfect for you, stay with that. It will save you money and it will be comfortable.


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: dsb]
    #7776395 - 12/19/07 02:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Your thoughts control your reality whether you are aware of it or not. If you think eating mushrooms will cure your depression, they will. If you think you can transcend your depression without mushrooms, you will. If you think this world is a shit hole, it is. If you think this world is the most beautiful place in the galaxy, it can be. Mind over matter. 'Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds.'-Bob Marley
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