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    #7678074 - 11/25/07 02:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Hi,

I've been depressed since I was 14 (I'm now 22). Two years ago, I had a mental breakdown that I never recovered from, and my depression got a million times worse, I developped a myriad of anxiety disorders, and terrible insomnia. I was put on a heavy amount of medications, that make life berable from day to day, but don't really treat the underlining symptoms. Living so doped up in and of itself is horrible. I do intend to get clean, but not at the moment, as I have school and can't manage both at the same time.

2+ years ago, I did not use drugs of any kind. Since then, in addition to the pharmaceuticals, I have tried a number of drugs that do numb the pain (speed, coke, alcohol etc), but once again they do not really treat the underlining issues, and I did not really learn anything from them. Marijuana I did not enjoy at all, in fact I found it painful and depressing, but it forced me to take a hard look at some issues I was ignoring before, and I DID learn from it. MDMA I enjoyed very much, and once again, perhaps because of its 'mind expanding' properties, I learned a lot from it as well - hope, forgiveness, the reminder of the feeling of happiness, etc. These two drugs I find, did help partially pull me out of the rut of my life... but nowadays I am used to the effects of these drugs, and I don't feel I have anything new to learn from them.

I'm considering trying mushrooms in case it can provide me with any insights into my life; I want nothing more than to get better, and drugs like MDMA and marijuana have helped. To be honest I have wanted to try out a real psychedelic experience for a while, but back then, it was more because the glorified view of them in some of my favorite music, movies etc sounded intriguing. I wanted a 'good trip.' Today, I am maybe more interested than ever, but I am not expecting netiher a good trip nor a bad one, I just want to face up to the drug and learn from it as much as I can, regardless of whether the experience itself is pleasurable or not. I want to move forward in life, and I guess that's the key thing. There is some worry that it might make me sicker or worsen my mental problems, which is why I'd like to ask the board what they think, because I realize that mushrooms are in a different league than MDMA or marijuana. Again, I'm mainly just looking for opinions, as I know that no one can tell me for sure whether this is a good idea or not.

Of course, if I do decide to do this, I'll be sure to start out at a very low dose and in a good setting when I am free of responsibilities for the day, and will have plenty of good, calming music on hand. I have done lots of reading on the drug and intend to do as much more as possible.

Thanks to all.


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: follow]
    #7678098 - 11/25/07 02:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

do you think you need drugs to get over you depression? why are you depressed

the more open you are the more you can learn from the mushroom


Edited by milkman (11/25/07 02:09 PM)


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: milkman]
    #7678115 - 11/25/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not really sure what can help me get over my depression. Time will help sure, but I know I'll have to wait a really long time. I'm also seeing a therapist, and yeah some drugs have helped, but I don't expect them to fix everything.

I guess that's part of the thing, I'm searching for new insights as to what I can do to fix my life, different ways of seeing things, etc, and some drugs have helped with that.


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    #7678121 - 11/25/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: acommunistspy]
    #7678142 - 11/25/07 02:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

eat healthy workout dont be afraid to have fun try new things spend money eat mushrooms tell us how it went


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: acommunistspy]
    #7678148 - 11/25/07 02:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Well, it's probably partially biological, as most of my family does suffer from depression. I accept that some level of depression will probably always be a part of my life, but I want it to go back to the manageable point it was before.

I've been unhappy all my life due to family/social problems, but the 'depression' so to speak didn't really manifest until I became a teenager. Two years ago I unexpectedly lost almost everything that was important to me, and I really got fucked up.


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: follow]
    #7678166 - 11/25/07 02:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Psychedelics can sometimes have the tendency to trigger/worsen underlying mental issues too, not always cure them. Be careful, I've known some depressed people that went completely nuts from using LSD.


Edited by Adagio (11/25/07 02:27 PM)


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: acommunistspy]
    #7678171 - 11/25/07 02:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

mushrooms will help you think about your problems, maybe even find the root of these problems.

alcohol numbs pain. shrooms , ((if you are in pain)) will magnify it.

be wary.


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: Robo]
    #7678172 - 11/25/07 02:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Adagio said:
Psychedelics can sometimes have the tendency to trigger/worsen underlying mental issues too, not always cure them. Be careful, I've known some depressed people that went completely nuts from using LSD.




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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: pong]
    #7678186 - 11/25/07 02:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

pong said:
alcohol numbs pain. shrooms , ((if you are in pain)) will magnify it.
be wary.



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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: Robo]
    #7678249 - 11/25/07 02:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Just be careful, that's all. Consider the possible consequences (good and bad) that may arise as a result of your psychedelic use, and whether or not it's worth it to risk possibly having negative side-effects.

Always use caution, it's not for everyone. But, go for it if you are confident enough in your mental state.


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: Robo]
    #7678423 - 11/25/07 03:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I've had two years to mull things over and I'm frustrated at the lack of change. I feel like I need to take some risks in order to move forward. If this goes positively, I could end up with a fresh angle on my situation. If it goes badly though, the idea of losing my mind all over again is pretty fucking scary.

It would have been a terrible idea no doubt to try this back when my problems were new to me. But, it's old pain now and I've had years to think about it, and I'm hoping that being used to the situation will help me through the experience should I decide to try it. I know I HAVE built some confidence. Having been through what I went through 2 years ago, I feel that there aren't that many things that could be worse to endure mentally, and as such I might finally have built some strength to get through other difficult situations. But at the end of the day I guess it's impossible to predict what I'm getting into, having no psychedelic frames of reference.


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: follow]
    #7678432 - 11/25/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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follow said:
If this goes positively, I could end up with a fresh angle on my situation. If it goes badly though, the idea of losing my mind all over again is pretty fucking scary.



I've been there, man. It is indeed scary. I wish you the best of luck and hope you make the right choice (whatever that may be for you).  :smile2:


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: acommunistspy]
    #7678479 - 11/25/07 03:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think medication can be useful in recovery from anxiety, depression or both. But should not be used as the sole form of therapy.

However, the common method of treating an emotional disorder is to prescribe a medication, and turn the patient loose to "see if that helps." It turns out, that the medication only dulls the effects of anxiety, but DOES NOT eliminate it. It can be useful in conjunction to anxiety/depression programs, but should never take the place of therapy or other programs focused on cognitive-behavioral therapy.

Any emotional disorder is NOT caused by chemical imbalances in the brain. This is a misconception that conventional medicine does not recognize--and even some psychiatrists! It is the end result of emotional baggage, cognitive dissonance, beliefs, inaccurate models of reality, expectations, negative self-talk, negative self-concepts, unresolved issues at work, home, from childhood etc. That is why medication will never resolve anxiety.

I used to have general anxiety, panic disorder, and lots of obsessive quirks. I've never taken SSRIs or any medication for my recovery. I recovered by learning about psychology, the nature of personal reality, relationships with others, and a very powerful cognitive-behavioral based program.


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: Grylls]
    #7678754 - 11/25/07 04:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I hope you can get over your depression dude. IMHO, mushrooms might not be what you're looking for. But then again, you say you've been depressed for a while so I'll assume that you've tried plenty of other options as well. If you do go through with it make sure you have a sitter and make sure you research it a bunch so that you know what you're getting into.


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: g00ru]
    #7678840 - 11/25/07 04:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

This is the wrong group to ask this question to...


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: Mourningdove]
    #7678852 - 11/25/07 04:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Honestly, I don't think he needs to do the mushrooms or really any psychedelic for that matter if he has had problems with depression and anxiety. It's his decision,though.


Edited by Adagio (11/25/07 04:50 PM)


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Re: considering mushrooms [Re: Mourningdove]
    #7678903 - 11/25/07 04:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Who is the right group?

And thanks to all for the comments.


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