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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #7686251 - 11/27/07 02:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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i guess no one will fight for the sick people without health insurance because they will die before there heard. and we will just continue to have a capitalist health program in the united states so the doctors and nurses can drive nice cars and live in three million dollar houses while they decide if a person has enough money to live or die.




Fight for them? I have an idea. When you get out of preschool, get a job and adopt a sick person and YOU pay his bills. I'll pay the bills of the sick people I care about. YOU can pay the rest. By the way, poor people are paid for by the government already. What about those retards in Maryland who keep squirting out babies they can't afford, whine about how much health care costs even though they aren't paying for it AND live in quite a nice house and drive two fairly late model SUVs?


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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: mikebart101]
    #7686255 - 11/27/07 02:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

as soon as the government starts tracking the ips of all the people who use this website...

seriously though:

i was recently detained for 5 days without being charged with a crime before my release. fucked up huh? i was denied access to a lawyer until 20 minutes before my "trial". thank god i was released because there would have been some cop killin's in the news for you guys to smile about...


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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: johnm214]
    #7686260 - 11/27/07 02:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

its so crazy how really jacked up america is.if you really think about capitalism. its basicly "only the stong survive" just like in the animal kingdom. i think the law enforcement in this country is one of the strongest in the world. And we wonder why that is. to keep us humble. although we have higher crime rates than anyone in the world. so then we have our second ammendment right to buy a gun because were so scared of people robbing us or killing us because they have there second ammendment right to buy a gun to rob us with. kind of ridiculous huh? then we have our people that want to make weed legal like me but ofcourse there to scared to stand up to the strongest law enforcement in the world.AND IF YOU EVER THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO MAKE IT LEGAL YOU MAY HAVE SMOKED ONE TO MANY.why the hell would they make it legal and destroy one of the biggest money makeing machines they have. law enforcement, judges, states, lawyers all make money off us getting busted. and then we have the good ole christians looking down on us for doing drugs instead of going to there church and giving them money so they can pay the preacher and everyone in the church.

STAND UP AND FIGHT!!!! YEAH RIGHT.. AMERICANS ARE TOO SCARED!!!!!


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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #7686272 - 11/27/07 02:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

AMERICANS ARE DOING TOO WELL. No go away, Josef, or Karl, or Hugo or whatever you call yourself these days. The only rationale I have heard you and your ilk offer for confiscating my hard earned wealth is that I have it and you don't.


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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7686294 - 11/27/07 02:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

agreed. capitalism is a good thing. it is surely better than feudalism and it can't be any worse than communism *cough*20 million dead in china*cough*. the great thing about america is that if you don't like the social and economic position you are in if you work hard enough it will improve! behold social mobility, greater in america than anywhere else in the world. its not like our economy is growing at like 2% each year and we are already the worlds largest economy. we have so many choices that we can make in america on how we want to live our lives. i'm sorry but if you screwed up and smoked to much dope in school to graduate or whatever it isn't my fault and i'll be damned if i have to have my taxes raised to pay for your life's mistakes.


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"Life's a bitch and then you die that's why we get high cuz you never know when you're gonna go." - NAS
"When people don't know what you're about they put you down and shut you out" - Black Sabbath
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - Gandhi
"Look up at me I am God, look down on me and I am evil, look at me I am you." - Charles Manson.
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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7686295 - 11/27/07 02:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
What about those retards in Maryland who keep squirting out babies they can't afford, whine about how much health care costs even though they aren't paying for it AND live in quite a nice house and drive two fairly late model SUVs?




I can vouch for this. I live in MD. Our state flag has a silhouette of a welfare queen squirting out twins in the back of an SUV while her husband appears to be in the drivers' seat exchanging his welfare check for crack.

We may be socialist here in MD, but at least we're not communist like NJ where you legally aren't allowed to pump your own gas.


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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7686306 - 11/27/07 02:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

So in order to pay for the WAR they raise your taxes and take 2/3 of what you make.


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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #7686322 - 11/27/07 02:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

HEY I GOT A JOB AND PAY MY HEALTH INSURANCE. but you know what! it isn't good for shit because my health insuranse sucks and so does urs if you have it america. do you know they actually charge more for insurance companies than they do medicare or any government run health care because they can inflate cost in capatalist run health care just like they do with all RETAIL products. so they are actually treating us like objects that you would buy in a store....im not saying anything about medicare im saying that that these hospitals are fucking us when ever they can because it is not regulated by the government.

i believe that all people should be taken care of the SAME rich or poor it shouldn't matter how much money you have.


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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: mikebart101]
    #7686323 - 11/27/07 02:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

If you ever roam around washington DC you'll realize that this city alone probably wastes more per year on bullshit beaurocrat jobs than it does on war.


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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: mikebart101]
    #7686326 - 11/27/07 02:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

actually taxes were cut prior to the war and have not been raised. this war is unlike any in history since it is funded entirely by selling debt. if the american taxpayer was picking up the bill for the stupidity in iraq we would have pulled out years ago but we aren't so life in america stays easy.


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"Life's a bitch and then you die that's why we get high cuz you never know when you're gonna go." - NAS
"When people don't know what you're about they put you down and shut you out" - Black Sabbath
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - Gandhi
"Look up at me I am God, look down on me and I am evil, look at me I am you." - Charles Manson.
"Don't question my reality." - Me (as far as I know)


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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #7686329 - 11/27/07 02:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Like I said. I dunno if we're ready for universal health care yet but.. I say.. Massachusettes started requiring it of all citizens (like car insurance) and subsidies (tax money) is being used to help the poor who can't afford it.

I say sit back for a few years and see how THAT goes.. use MA as a guinea pig and learn what's the best way to approach health care ona federal level.


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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #7686336 - 11/27/07 02:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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preschooler said:
i believe that all people and should be taken care of the SAME rich or poor it shouldn't matter how much money you have.




Especially when the money is there to do so.

"Sorry you 250,000 homeless Vets, America needs more stealth bombers at 2 bill. a pop."


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So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.


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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #7686373 - 11/27/07 03:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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HEY I GOT A JOB AND PAY MY HEALTH INSURANCE. but you know what! it isn't good for shit because my health insuranse sucks and so does urs if you have it america.[Get a better job] do you know they actually charge more for insurance companies than they do medicare or any government run health care because they can inflate cost in capatalist run health care just like they do with all RETAIL products.[they charge more because they have to subsidize the gummint losers, isn't that what you want everybody to be? A gummint loser? Just who will subsidize the losers then?] so they are actually treating us like objects that you would buy in a store....im not saying anything about medicare im saying that that these hospitals are fucking us when ever they can because it is not regulated by the government.[Hospitals are heavily regulated and hospitals almost ALL operate at a loss]

i believe that all people should be taken care of the SAME rich or poor it shouldn't matter how much money you have.
[That's because you are poor. Would you prefer a lottery system for better doctors? Of course you would since that is the only way you would ever be able to even get in the door of one of my doctors' offices]




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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: BrAiN]
    #7686498 - 11/27/07 03:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

ofcourse we are ready for universal health care!!! what the hell!! the damn hospitals and the billionare drug companies are not


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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #7686509 - 11/27/07 03:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Of course public health care will work. Just look what the public school system did for you.


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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #7686517 - 11/27/07 03:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

universal health care for the poor. how about universal housing loans for the poor. seriously i don't want to pay for a drug dealer to get his gunshot wounds healed after a bad meth deal.


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"Life's a bitch and then you die that's why we get high cuz you never know when you're gonna go." - NAS
"When people don't know what you're about they put you down and shut you out" - Black Sabbath
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - Gandhi
"Look up at me I am God, look down on me and I am evil, look at me I am you." - Charles Manson.
"Don't question my reality." - Me (as far as I know)


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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7686520 - 11/27/07 03:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I don't get it. I keep asking this question and everyone keeps ignoring it.

WHY DOES UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE AUTOMATICALLY MAKE EVERYONE THINK THAT HEALTH CARE WILL BE RUN BY THE GOV'T!

It *IS* possible to have a system where everyone is covered under health care but it's still run be private companies.. which causes competition which makes for cheaper rates and better doctors.

Our gov't gives out food stamps but they don't run the damn grocery stores.

Although.. in Montgomery County, MD where I live .. all the liquor stores are owned and run by the county gov't. Now that's scary... plus each supermarket chain is allowed to only sell beer/wine at ONE chain location in the county.

The county next to us won't sell liquor on Sundays.

WTF!

sorry.. off topic rant.


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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: BrAiN]
    #7686547 - 11/27/07 03:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, I agree with that general idea. I favor public health insurance, without government running the hospitals or telling doctors how to do their job.


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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7686554 - 11/27/07 03:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Children are soooooo naive. If the gummint runs all the health insurance then they will set the rates and decide who gets what treatment and by whom.


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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7686561 - 11/27/07 03:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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If the gummint runs all the health insurance



Where did I use the word "all"?


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