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mikebart101
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When To Fight Back?
#7677794 - 11/25/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fascist America.
At what point do you physically fight back? What will push you over the edge? What would it take for you to kill a 'police officer'?
I'm curious because people always ask how Hitler came to power. Why didn't the people fight back? What were the Jews waiting for when the SS came knocking on their door?
So what kind of event are you waiting for before you start making noise?
-Martial Law? -Revoked 2nd Amendment? -Another Domestic Terrorist Attack that stinks of foul play? -Secret Police? -Warantless Searches? -Cameras in the streets? -Curfews?
-What else?
-------------------- So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.
Edited by mikebart101 (11/26/07 11:17 AM)
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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: mikebart101]
#7680027 - 11/25/07 09:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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A credible resistance leader. loss of habeause corpus. warrantless searches. A credible chance of at least a local tactical victory that would inspire confidence that we have a chance to forcefully take our country back
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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: drew345]
#7680053 - 11/25/07 10:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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As far as the Jews.. I'm not sure. If I try to put myself in their shoes and I'm hearing rumors of murders and getting herded into a train heading towards a camp, I think in the back of my mind that I'm probably going to get killed...
But unless it's right there happening in front of me, as a human, I'd think that I'm always going to have enough hope to think that there's no way someone would let anything that crazy happen to me... But by the time my hope deterioriated, I'd be in a situation where I couldn't escape.
I had a co-worker that once said that America isn't really close to a Revolution yet (not that there would ever be one), but when the time comes it will be at a point when the middle class realizes that it has lost all it's power.
Personally.. I think people won't take any action as long as they have 29" flat screen TV's for under 600 dollars, as long as they have a way to finance big ticket items , as long as they have cars with XM satellite for only 10 dollars.
I think once a large number of people who used to be middle class and use to be able to afford simple things like this that are considered luxieries in many country, can no longer afford them and have to cook all three of their meals a day, that's when people will wake up.
I don't think that will happen. Large corporations and private equity firms nowadays seem to be sucking up all the power they can, trying to go back to the days of monopolies in a more sneaky manner. However I think these companies are smart enough to bestow enough goodies to the masses to keep them happy. The more features they pump into cell phones, tv, cars, etc, the more content people are becoming.
I DO believe there is a polarization going on right now where more and more people are getting lumped into either upper or lower classes but I think that's because more people are just getting lazy and I don't think it's happening at that great of a rate. I honestly don't think America is ever going to see another revolution in a war sense. I think eventually we might get a leader that starts pushing us into a more socialist direction.. but nothing really drastic.
I think a global nuclear war is more likely to happen before any kind of american civil war again.
Edited by BrAiN (11/25/07 10:17 PM)
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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: mikebart101]
#7681058 - 11/26/07 09:29 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
mikebart101 said:
-Marshall Law?
-------------------- After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action. If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it. - Ernest Hemingway If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
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BrAiN
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Hehe. Who's Marshall?
Martial Law doesn't really seem to happen until AFTER people start to rebel... although it tends to escalate the situation even more. It sure has hell seems to be effective though. Just look Pakistan now... Things aren't going to change there that much after these past few years.
Or Kent State. In the latter case it wasn't even declared but look at what a fiasco it was. Did fighting the system back then really change things now? I don't really think so.
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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: mikebart101]
#7681193 - 11/26/07 10:05 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Marshall law? Is that where I ride through the town with a Fender stratocaster plugged into a Marshall half-stack cranked all the way up to 10, punishing any law-breaker with some devastating licks?
*Martial
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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: Silversoul]
#7681210 - 11/26/07 10:12 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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No it's when you're forced to watch the DVD of "We Are Marshalll" and then have to live by the life lessons given by Denzel Washington.
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Re: When To Fight Back? *DELETED* [Re: BrAiN]
#7681281 - 11/26/07 10:31 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Post deleted by LunarEclipseReason for deletion: tvsux
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Edited by LunarEclipse (11/26/07 10:33 AM)
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BrAiN
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I thought about doing a door buster for a tv last thanksgiving, but didn't.
There seems to be a huge price gap in 32 inch tv's. There are some random names like INSIGNIA and ELEMENT that are around 5-600 and then boom.. it goes to like 900 when you get to the really familiar name brands.
Are the cheaper brands really THAT bad or are the good ones really just THAT good?
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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: mikebart101]
#7681509 - 11/26/07 11:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was this close to posting about "Marshall law" yesterday but I thought it would be best if this whole stupid thread just dissipated into the Intraweb aether. Fucking armchair revolutionaries with false grievances. What happened? Your allowance check was late?
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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7682069 - 11/26/07 02:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Getting a little personal are we? What got up your butt? Other than the police officer part, what was wrong with his question? It was hypothetical!
You dirty, horrid asshole?
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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: mikebart101]
#7682725 - 11/26/07 05:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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So, what chemical sacraments have you been using to come to this fantastic revelation? I'm sure a lot of people here would like to get some for themselves.
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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: BrAiN]
#7682759 - 11/26/07 05:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just thought it was pretty much top to bottom stupid.
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mikebart101
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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7682775 - 11/26/07 05:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks bud.
-------------------- So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.
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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7682784 - 11/26/07 05:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just curious zappa, what is your personal "line" which you would never let your government cross before you would seek to take arms against it?
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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: xFrockx]
#7682835 - 11/26/07 05:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I got a problem with what Putin and Chavez are doing. Jailing dissenters. As far as I can tell, no one has been jailed for protesting government policy here.
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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7682907 - 11/26/07 06:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Martial Law will be declared after the people rebel.
You've already lost haebeus corpus, already have warrentless searches. The presidential directives are already there for it. The government is a puppet for your national bank and military corporations. They've already murdered a few thousand Americans.
The 2nd amendment has just been thrown on the chopping block.
If you are going to rebel, American, do it soon, for the sake of the rest of the world, but most of all, for yourself.
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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: Minstrel]
#7682963 - 11/26/07 06:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Minstrel said: Martial Law will be declared after the people rebel.
Well, whaddayano, somebody knows what the word is.
You've already lost haebeus corpus, No we haven't. People who never had it weren't given it.
already have warrentless searches. we always have had them. The presidential directives are already there for it. The government is a puppet for your national bank and military corporations. OK Alex They've already murdered a few thousand Americans. Directives that kill? Amazing. Which thousand, by the way? Highway workers?
The 2nd amendment has just been thrown on the chopping block. The 2nd amendment has been sliced and diced for decades. The Supreme Court can only reinstate it at this point
If you are going to rebel, American, do it soon, for the sake of the rest of the world, but most of all, for yourself.
For the most part we are astonishingly successful and free. Astonishingly.
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Re: When To Fight Back? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7686107 - 11/27/07 01:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i guess no one will fight for the sick people without health insurance because they will die before there heard. and we will just continue to have a capitalist health program in the united states so the doctors and nurses can drive nice cars and live in three million dollar houses while they decide if a person has enough money to live or die.
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Or Kent State. In the latter case it wasn't even declared but look at what a fiasco it was. Did fighting the system back then really change things now? I don't really think so.
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I disagree with you there. Kent State was a tipping point for some people, and the nixon white house later acknowledged this was a major turning point for the war.
While people locally didn't really care, mostly, news spread and the insanity of what happened that day reflected poorly on the administration. (there was all sorts of Nixon conspiracy talk but I don't buy that)
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