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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: more veterans have committed suicide this year than have been killed during the entire conflict [Re: BrAiN]
    #7687506 - 11/27/07 06:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

:angrydog:

I didn't say it wasn't true, just that I doubt it.  The reason I doubt it is that Bush had only been in office about 8 months before it became clear that we were going to be pounding somebody soon thereafter and he didn't really have a budget for him to sign until some months after that.


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Re: more veterans have committed suicide this year than have been killed during the entire conflict [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7688367 - 11/27/07 09:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It refreshing to hear those words. I, for one, find myself conflicted about my opposition to the war, when I used to be apart of it....(lot of my buddies too) Its hard being a staunch advocate during it, after being discharged, and then coming to another conclusion. (this can be a mindfuck)


Back in the day, they called it "shelled shock". PTSD has been around since the dawn of time.....my biggest complaint is the military does not having ANY TYPE of transition program for vets going into the real world. Its pretty fucked being in a firefight, and tens months latter, a civilian walking thought Walmart. The VA is a joke, and does not even want to recognize PTSD as a compensable disability:


http://veterans.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?pageid=12&release_id=11108


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Re: more veterans have committed suicide this year than have been killed during the entire conflict [Re: BrAiN]
    #7688800 - 11/27/07 11:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

debate in college spoiled me with no need for source citations.:rolleyes:


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Re: more veterans have committed suicide this year than have been killed during the entire conflict [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #7689682 - 11/28/07 09:51 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

My eyes weren't really open to what life is like for a vet who has seen war until I did some volunteer work at a shelter. I met a lot of vietnam vets. They were some of the best men I've ever met, and I couldn't believe the stories of what happened to them when they got back home. It really seemed that, between the governments unwillingness to provide them with proper physical and mental care coupled with the general public's lack of interest in helping them find a way back into American society, ending up broke and homeless was an inevitable result.

I don't mean to sound so pitying but I know we could do better. I'd like to become professionally involved with helping returning vets, that would be a good career for me.


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Re: more veterans have committed suicide this year than have been killed during the entire conflict [Re: SlashOZ]
    #7689685 - 11/28/07 09:52 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

SlashOZ said:
i remember when bush took office and acted quickly to cut VA funding.





Bush cut funding? that doesn't sound like the spending whore bush i know....


Do u have a link?


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Re: more veterans have committed suicide this year than have been killed during the entire conflict [Re: SlashOZ]
    #7689692 - 11/28/07 09:55 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

SlashOZ said:
debate in college spoiled me with no need for source citations.:rolleyes:





SlashOZ LIED! THE TRUTH ALMOST DIED.

SlashOZ LIED! THE TRUTH ALMOST DIED.

SlashOZ LIED! THE TRUTH ALMOST DIED.

SlashOZ LIED! THE TRUTH ALMOST DIED.;)


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We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

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Re: more veterans have committed suicide this year than have been killed during the entire conflict [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7689784 - 11/28/07 10:27 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

lonestar your lack of initiative in doing research to find the facts is your problem not mine. not to mention you are obviously very forgetful since you don't remember the walter reed hospital fiasco a while back. the numerous tv news documentaries about the lack of funding for vets. maybe less time spent posting on the shroomery and more time looking at news would do you some good. :confused:

have a nice day.


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"Life's a bitch and then you die that's why we get high cuz you never know when you're gonna go." - NAS
"When people don't know what you're about they put you down and shut you out" - Black Sabbath
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - Gandhi
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Re: more veterans have committed suicide this year than have been killed during the entire conflict [Re: SlashOZ]
    #7689792 - 11/28/07 10:30 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

SlashOZ said:
lonestar your lack of initiative in doing research to find the facts is your problem not mine.




When making an assertion it is your responsibility to provide evidence...not the other person's.

Quote:

SlashOZ said:
not to mention you are obviously very forgetful since you don't remember the walter reed hospital fiasco a while back.




That fiasco doesn't make your assertion true.


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Re: more veterans have committed suicide this year than have been killed during the entire conflict [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7689799 - 11/28/07 10:32 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks:)

have a nice day.


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We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

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Re: more veterans have committed suicide this year than have been killed during the entire conflict [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7689817 - 11/28/07 10:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

we are talking about common knowledge here folks. i don't see anyone asking for evidence about the war in iraq to prove it true. bush has consistently cut VA funding in his tenure. your inability to watch the news that last 7 years isn't my fault buddy.


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"Life's a bitch and then you die that's why we get high cuz you never know when you're gonna go." - NAS
"When people don't know what you're about they put you down and shut you out" - Black Sabbath
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - Gandhi
"Look up at me I am God, look down on me and I am evil, look at me I am you." - Charles Manson.
"Don't question my reality." - Me (as far as I know)


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Re: more veterans have committed suicide this year than have been killed during the entire conflict [Re: SlashOZ]
    #7689835 - 11/28/07 10:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Hm...according to the graph on this web site VA funding has actually been increasing every year that Bush has been in office and he plans to slightly reduce funding in '09.

http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070213/NEWS/702130393/1039

Maybe you're wrong...?


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OfflineBrAiN
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Re: more veterans have committed suicide this year than have been killed during the entire conflict [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7689850 - 11/28/07 10:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yea I always feel suspicious of people who don't back of their sources... Especially whe they numbers show they're wrong but they still claim they're right


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Re: more veterans have committed suicide this year than have been killed during the entire conflict [Re: SlashOZ]
    #7689886 - 11/28/07 10:54 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

SlashOZ said:
we are talking about common knowledge here folks. bush has consistently cut VA funding in his tenure. your inability to watch the news that last 7 years isn't my fault buddy.




Wow, so i should just belief whatever the MSM tells me to belief...


According to the Office of Management and Budget, Veterans Affairs received $45 billion under former President Clinton's final budget as compared to $72 billion in fiscal 2007's which was created prior to the Democrat Congressional takeover. That's a 60 percent increase in six years.

By contrast, under Clinton, the VA budget went from $35 billion in FY 1993 to $45 billion in FY 2001, a 29 percent increase in eight years.

In fact, despite MAINSTREAM MEDIA BULLSHIT VA spending on both a real and percentage basis has increased more under President Bush than under any other president since Richard M. Nixon.

LINK!
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2008/pdf/hist.pdf


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

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Re: more veterans have committed suicide this year than have been killed during the entire conflict [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7689891 - 11/28/07 10:56 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Woah woah...let's not let facts get in the way of a debate now.


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Re: more veterans have committed suicide this year than have been killed during the entire conflict [Re: SlashOZ]
    #7689918 - 11/28/07 11:05 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I just spent more time than I should have looking for evidence of your claims, but I've come up with nothing.

All I found were articles talking about proposed cuts that have not been executed.  I've read about the price of prescription medicine going up, to my understanding it's gone up in the general market, so this seems justifiable.

An article or two referred to "previous cuts" ambiguously and without any detail.

Taking into consideration the few posts above, you no longer have an argument and I suggest you make an attempt to establish your argument using resources.  Always include resources, political debate often gets very in depth here, to the point where I just sit at my computer with this expression on my face --> :awesome:


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Re: more veterans have committed suicide this year than have been killed during the entire conflict [Re: BrAiN]
    #7689931 - 11/28/07 11:11 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)



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"Life sucks but in this really beautiful way" - Axl Rose
"Life's a bitch and then you die that's why we get high cuz you never know when you're gonna go." - NAS
"When people don't know what you're about they put you down and shut you out" - Black Sabbath
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - Gandhi
"Look up at me I am God, look down on me and I am evil, look at me I am you." - Charles Manson.
"Don't question my reality." - Me (as far as I know)


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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: more veterans have committed suicide this year than have been killed during the entire conflict [Re: SlashOZ]
    #7691219 - 11/28/07 04:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

SlashOZ said:
i remember when bush took office and acted quickly to cut VA funding. after 9/11 he worked quickly to enter into two wars. now the government is acting lethargically to the cries to our vets. makes me proud to be an american.




Surprisingly, your 1/10th of a link doesn't support this assertion. Also this obviously puts the lie to your assertion:
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070213/NEWS/702130393/1039
VA spending in 2000, just under 2 Billion; VA spending in 2006, just over 3 billion. For all you social scientists out there, that's a 50+% increase over 6 years, with an increase each year (subsequent years are estimated, these are actual expenditures). For common knowledge liars: nevermind.


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Re: more veterans have committed suicide this year than have been killed during the entire conflict [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7691254 - 11/28/07 04:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Good work shitting on the liar.


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