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Anti-anxiety meds/methods?
    #7677230 - 11/25/07 09:13 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Okay, I've been doing a lot of reading and have read a few, very helpful posts on Shroomery for the use of "cactus juice."

My first trip with mescaline is intentional--for the use of therapy. As usual, I'm both ambivalent and anxious since this will be a new experience, and I can only imagine what it will feel like.

I am an introspective person, and I have the remnants of my anxiety disorder that I've had as a child, still with me. However, I've done a lot of psychological work, and I believe the use of an entheogen other than the very bizarre Salvia, will be beneficial.

The only thing I'm still obsessing on is: what if I do not like the effects, and I have to deal with them for 10 hours? I know any experience psychedelic or not is subjective, and it's my negative thoughts that lead me to conclude I won't like it or that it will be too much for me--even though I've never tried it.

I've decided on a small dose for my first time, since I am very sensitive to chemicals. I will be using a 6" cutting that will be processed into a cup-o-sludge. I would like to go longer, as the benefits of ego dissolution would be very liberating, and I believe it would be greatly beneficial. But, again, I am sensitive to chemicals, and once I consume it, there's no turning back.


On to my question...
The use of Valium has been mentioned before to a person that is receiving a lot of negative or fearful thoughts to help take the edge off, and to make the trip more manageable. I would like to have something on hand that could significantly lower my anxiety if such a situation were to arise, since I am prone to worrying.

I DON'T have Valium, and probably never will. There must be alternatives? I know the best anti-anxiety 'medicine' is the reassurance of myself and to let go--but one can easily believe the negative thoughts more because of their energy.

The only medication I have that I foolishly thought I needed about a year ago is amitriptyline-- a tricyclic, anti-depressant. I took it once, and never again. I should throw those little things out. They're no good to me.

I drink Chamomile tea occasionally as a relaxant. Any suggestions would be great. I'm still in the "loading" phase of my psychedelic experience, and I could use all the information!


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Re: Anti-anxiety meds/methods? [Re: Grylls]
    #7677344 - 11/25/07 10:01 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Any benzo (xanax, ativan, valium) will work, I don't really know of any alternatives to those.


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Re: Anti-anxiety meds/methods? [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7677717 - 11/25/07 12:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

As said above, benzodiazepines in general work good. Different benzos have varying strengths, not all being as strong as Diazepam (Valium) and/or Alprazolam (Xanax).
Lorazepam works pretty well if you don't want a benzodiazepine quite as heavy as the two mentioned.


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Re: Anti-anxiety meds/methods? [Re: Robo]
    #7677738 - 11/25/07 12:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I would like to have Valium on hand--just in case.  Knowing that I have something or could take something that would help me through a difficult trip, would put me at ease and would probably result in a spectacular trip.

The problem is: I don't know where to get benzodiazepines.  I don't know any drug dealers and I can't stroll into any doctors' office and convince him that I need prescription Valium (generic of course:grin:).

According to many, mescaline is a gentle psychedelic, and I'm certain I'll be fine without anti-anxiety meds.


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Re: Anti-anxiety meds/methods? [Re: Grylls]
    #7678112 - 11/25/07 02:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah don't worry about it, benzos are by no means necessary.. I don't even get anxious when I take pyschedelics and I have anxiety when I'm sober. I suggest you don't smoke pot though. Just go with the experience, don't try to fight it no matter what.


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Re: Anti-anxiety meds/methods? [Re: Grylls]
    #7678118 - 11/25/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Kava's great for anxiety


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Re: Anti-anxiety meds/methods? [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #7680436 - 11/26/07 02:00 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yeah kava, sometimes i take valerian root to sleep- pretty relaxing. breathing exercises should help, deep breaths, relaxing, etc.


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Re: Anti-anxiety meds/methods? [Re: Grylls]
    #7680534 - 11/26/07 03:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

find an online vendor that has benzos and barbiutates for sale.. I once had a phenobarb on a tail end mescaline trip and it was fucking awesome...

lost in euphoria...


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Re: Anti-anxiety meds/methods? [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #7680637 - 11/26/07 05:30 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Benzos are of course the most efficacious known compounds for relieving short-term anxiety, but since you can't get those I also endorse Kava Kava as an alternative. Beyond that you might want to try Kratom (go with the 10-15x powdered extract). Kratom produces worthwhile effects somewhat similar to a mild opiate. I hesitate to recommend alcohol, but it's at least worth noting that it can--among other things--reduce anxiety. Having a couple beers in the fridge won't hurt anything.

I'm also very prone to anxiety and obsessiveness. It's smart to be prepared before you take a hallucinogen (particularly a new one), but it's certainly possible to over-prepare. One of the pitfalls of over-preparing or over-thinking you've already mentioned: focusing on predictions about how the future will turn out badly. These anxious ruminations often take the form of "What if?"-type questions.
What if you become anxious? Well you have some options regarding anti-anxiety substances. I've also found it personally helpful to pursue an activity which requires a measure of focus and engagement -- artwork, for example. The idea is that the activity provides a distraction from your troubling thoughts/feelings long enough for you to calm down. The worst-case scenario is that you will have to manage a difficult experience for a few hours. The possibility of a negative experience is not something you should worry about excessively, but if this is still coming up then slow down and follow as objectively as possible all the answers you come up with to the question: "What if I start to have a bad trip?" to their logical conclusions.

One thing about (San Pedro) cactus is that it takes some effort to get it inside your body compared to other hallucinogens. Everything about the xylem screams "Don't eat me." The one advantage to this is that you're less likely to take too much.


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Re: Anti-anxiety meds/methods? [Re: Grylls]
    #7680718 - 11/26/07 06:49 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

In my opinion, having drugs on hand to abort a trip, especially at such a moderate dose, are unnecessary and can lead to just jumping out of the experience as soon as things turn bad instead of resolving the issues that have come to light.

You've obviously been planning this very thoroughly, Grylls. I can't imagine you being anything other than totally fine. Ultimately, it's down to you. If you'd like to have something on hand, just in case of emergency, then it'll probably make you feel safer throughout the trip even if you don't use it. There's a sleeping pill sold under the name Temazepam, which would abort a trip and put you to bed, if you can acquire it.

Really, though, I don't think you'll need it. You've done your preparation, now all that's left is for you to let yourself go. If you don't struggle against anything that you experience, and let everything fully play out and become resolved, you will be fine. If something scares you, pay attention to it, work out why it scares you, then realise it's simply you reacting to something in that way- nothing remotely menacing or bad is happening to you.

If you trip in nature, on a moderate dose of Mescaline, your chances of even coming close to a bad trip are very slim.


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Re: Anti-anxiety meds/methods? [Re: EllisDSox]
    #7680880 - 11/26/07 08:24 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks, guys, for your reassuring words. Part of my worry is still the negative view on hallucinogens and their "dangers" programmed by society.

And thank you, Ellis, you have done a lot for calming my concerns on the use of it.

I would want to totally break through, and have an amazing experience, but at the same time, I know my ego will struggle with the effects. I was once a little leery of alcohol inebriation, because I wasn't in control. However, paradoxically, as I let go of trying to "control" myself, I actually became more comfortable and was in control. The effects were no longer something that I want to get away from, I just settled into them, and enjoyed my sloppiness and giddiness of alcohol inebriation.

I have a friend who will give me a few benzos for the experience. I will have them on hand (Lorazepam) and I will NOT take it, unless I am at the depths of despair, which I know won't happen. Just knowing that I have one at hand will probably put me into a state of comfort.

Plus, I've developed many techniques to combat the effects of anxiety through my use of anxiety programs and meditation. If an anxious moment arises, I will not run from it, but examine it--try to figure out what is really bothering me, then use an affirmation, do my breathing technique, and let the thought go--visualizing it floating away like a cloud helps.

I'm just worrying to much! There's only so much I can do to prepare myself.


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