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What do think this Alex Grey represents?
    #7677162 - 11/25/07 08:30 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)



The same being that graces the cover of the 10,000 Days album by Tool. Being familiar with a lot of Grey's work, I have always wondered what he is trying to get at with this one. If God is Love then I suspect that he just may be that convenient opposite.


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: WScott]
    #7677210 - 11/25/07 09:06 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I wouldn't say he is the opposite. I think of him more as some ancient, enigmatic being, not caring or compassionate about the games humans play. Completely objective, with one sole purpose. What is that purpose? Don't know. :laugh: But certainly very impressive.


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: WScott]
    #7677246 - 11/25/07 09:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think the subject is an individual entity... it seems to me that this painting is an illustration of an interconnective grid that binds all conscious beings together on a higher level than can "actually" be observed visually.

Grey has used the same symbology in several other pieces, often in blazing colors. I think that the darkness of the piece was likely chosen to fit Tool's style in the first place and does not necessarily imply a certain psychological characteristic. I think of it as... night-time at the grid of interconnectivity...  :psychsplit:


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #7677366 - 11/25/07 10:07 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i was at his house while it was a work in progress... i forget what he said it meant.

something blah blah blah i think


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #7677395 - 11/25/07 10:18 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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i was at his house while it was a work in progress... i forget what he said it meant.

something blah blah blah i think



If thats true, great! I wanna know more, but if not LOL.
Personally I think it is a vagina.
Is he blowing smoke up our asses?
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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: 2end4]
    #7677405 - 11/25/07 10:22 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yay! i run un-opposed and am elected a non-bullshitter.

epic win!

before the temporary chapel of sacred mirros was up he had gathering at his house.

it wasn't personal. i just felt like situation dropping to get some psychedelic street cred.


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #7677525 - 11/25/07 11:01 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I voted No, but it would be pretty awesome if you really did. :laugh:


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: WScott]
    #7677551 - 11/25/07 11:10 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

go to alexgrey.com

archives, full moon gatherings, click around till you see the painting unfinished on the wall (not fully colored in)

notice the shaman guy

then search my posts for alex grey full moon gathering.

edit: link added to save time
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/2225745#2225745

you can do additional research on the web if you like to make sure that it really is his house.

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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: WScott]
    #7677773 - 11/25/07 12:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Looks more like a sacred hall or chapel of the mind. IMO


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: WScott]
    #7678429 - 11/25/07 03:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The name of that painting is "Net of Being".


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7678791 - 11/25/07 04:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

God is in a infinite state of perpetual reflection upon and within himself.


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: kake]
    #7679575 - 11/25/07 07:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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God is in a infinite state of perpetual reflection upon and within himself.




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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: spanky43]
    #7681976 - 11/26/07 02:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It seems to me that it's a representation of a dichotomy. Two beings of the same framework.


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: Boots]
    #7683128 - 11/26/07 07:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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It's all about personal interpretation. I've experienced very, very similar territory(especially the red/orange/yellow/blue version of this) by use of ketamine. Grey's earlier geometric grid type paintings have more of a psilocybian flair with obvious reference to the chakras, tol, etc. Grey likely draws inspiration from experiences attained through astral projection, meditation, dreaming, and use of various substances.
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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: lavod]
    #7689539 - 11/28/07 08:55 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

alex grey was at my house when i told him he should probably do a picture of an infinite state of perpetual reflection upon and within himself. he said he would if he had some pencils but he was broke so i bought him a pen. he owes me big time.


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: WScott]
    #7689566 - 11/28/07 09:06 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #7691423 - 11/28/07 04:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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truekimbo2 said:
go to alexgrey.com

archives, full moon gatherings, click around till you see the painting unfinished on the wall (not fully colored in)

notice the shaman guy

then search my posts for alex grey full moon gathering.

edit: link added to save time
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/2225745#2225745

you can do additional research on the web if you like to make sure that it really is his house.

now enjoy your fail.






my god, that gathering looks full of pseudo hippy wanna-bes. all of them trying to be "deep" but just there to suck off alex grey.

i like the unfinished version of that painting better, when it's not so monochromatic.


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: Middleman]
    #7692031 - 11/28/07 06:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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What sculpture and what kind of monster?


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: WScott]
    #7693537 - 11/29/07 02:07 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

uh no, the OPs picture is the same one (or a direct copy) just with different coloring.

syle you're right though. there were a bunch of cool cats there, and at least a handful of people who are doing very creative stuff in their own right, but most of them including me where there just to be close to a celebrity, even if he is just a drug celebrity.



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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #7694891 - 11/29/07 01:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

do 4 hits of acid, turn off the lights, turn on some droney music, get into a waterbed, get under a blanket, close your eyes and you'll understand what this picture is:

the first thing you see when you open your third eye.


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: FleaAccela]
    #7698852 - 11/30/07 12:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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do 4 hits of acid, turn off the lights, turn on some droney music, get into a waterbed, get under a blanket, close your eyes and you'll understand what this picture is:

the first thing you see when you open your third eye.




I've seen it already bro, mushrooms though.

In the branches of the tree I was laying under.. same being, whomever it is.


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: WScott]
    #7700003 - 11/30/07 05:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yeah
as robot said it is the "net of being"
"I" think it is a clear and beautifuly ornate discription of the interplay between all sentient life. we are all connected and reflecting the same energy throughout the "net"
we contain infinite cosm's both macro and micro containg all that ever was or will be.
breat painting :laugh:
i hate that crappy black and white tool version tho. the actual paining is much more alive, its wider and shows much more detail


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: notapillow]
    #7700032 - 11/30/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I grasp the theme of interconnectedness. It is the expression, the eyes in particular, that keep me thinking about it.


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: WScott]
    #7700704 - 11/30/07 08:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

alex grey often uses those nebulous galexy eyes in his paintings that dipict phychadelic facturing of the ego into the "grid" or net"
oversoul, one, and the net of being are all great examples of this. they dipict the raw creative spirite of humanity manifested as a human figure. alex's use of eyes big and small all over his workrepresents all the literal "points" of veiw


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: notapillow]
    #7700712 - 11/30/07 08:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.microcosmgallery.com/alexgrey/alexgreymicro.jpg
here is the actual completed peice :smile:
much better in rainbow, dont you think? :smile:


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: notapillow]
    #7700721 - 11/30/07 08:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

that link also goes into detail about what inspired the vision ect
ayawahsca aperently :wink:


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: notapillow]
    #7700961 - 11/30/07 09:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Wow, thanks man. Up until now I've only seen the coloured version in fragments and people were blocking most of it (Full Moon Gathering part of Alex Grey's site). I admit it does look better with the rainbow but in all honesty, you could throw lollipops, unicorns and bubblegum into that picture and I'd still just be focused on that expression.


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: notapillow]
    #7701213 - 11/30/07 10:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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yeah
as robot said it is the "net of being"




actually it's a blanket.


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7701589 - 12/01/07 01:11 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

actually its the internet, the drugs confused him and he thought he was seeing aspects of the soul.


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    #7702140 - 12/01/07 09:16 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: soulcircus]
    #7702204 - 12/01/07 09:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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edit: also saw that tunnel of eyes
just read that third eye thing, i agree




wow, thought i was the only one on this one. two people confirmed the same thing. this is quite interesting. :thumbup:

tunnel of eyes. yup, it's just that.


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7702631 - 12/01/07 12:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

notapillow said:
yeah
as robot said it is the "net of being"




actually it's a blanket.


sure whatever ou want to call it
alex named it "the net of being" tho
so thats what the peice is called.


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: notapillow]
    #7702898 - 12/01/07 01:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

this thread is now about your favorite alex grey artwork



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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #7704418 - 12/01/07 09:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

transfiguration is cool. iv always dug the digital quality of that peice


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: notapillow]
    #7705022 - 12/02/07 01:11 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yeah same here, he makes the colors seem so bright! like you're looking at a screen.


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #7706688 - 12/02/07 01:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I like...





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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: andrewss]
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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7707146 - 12/02/07 03:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)


i like that live painting its simple yet potent :wink:


fucking dragons


earth dance



his live paintings tho lacking in detail are soaked in meaning and expression. i would love to get to see him paint some day :tripping:


as for more polished works:


dalai lama portrait


ohio song


cosmic elf


and of course the net of being :grin:


here is seraphic transport

i "redid: this or rather re crystalised this peice as i had a vission one day on dmt that was so strikinly similer i had to try and captire it
here it is i call it "shared vision"

not nearly as colorful but hey i like pencil :wink:

so hard to choose. i could go on forever :smile:


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: notapillow]
    #7707404 - 12/02/07 05:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You have to tell me.. where did you find all of those?


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: WScott]
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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: notapillow]
    #7707845 - 12/02/07 06:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Some more I like:





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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: andrewss]
    #7707944 - 12/02/07 06:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

damn where did you find prostration
i looked all over for it :wink:


the other on "fractal" is one of my favs too :laugh:


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: notapillow]
    #7707949 - 12/02/07 06:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i really like the not digital stuff you posted. i hadn't seen any of that before and wasn't really into alex grey because i don't like digital art very much.


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: fung_us_among_us]
    #7708187 - 12/02/07 07:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

All his paintings are actual paintings, not digital art. The digital versions of those paintings lack a lot of the life in the paintings..


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7708288 - 12/02/07 08:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

ya.no digital art here. just paint and brush
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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: notapillow]
    #7708495 - 12/02/07 09:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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damn where did you find prostration
i looked all over for it :wink:


the other on "fractal" is one of my favs too :laugh:




I just searched around in google images... some peoples myspace pages have a ton of images available, just found it randomly through that.

I so wish someone had a BIG high res image of Net of Being... havent ever found a nice big image of it :frown:


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: andrewss]
    #7708592 - 12/02/07 09:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

ooo never seen this one


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: notapillow]
    #7708749 - 12/02/07 10:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

^ Nice... yeah it is hard to find some of Alex Grey's stuff... post anything unusual you find :laugh:


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: andrewss]
    #7711055 - 12/03/07 01:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Where the hell on AlexGrey.com are you finding all of those?! There has to be some secret link somewhere..


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: WScott]
    #7711372 - 12/03/07 03:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

just browse around
alot of them are in the paintings section
aotherones are in the store or in the archive area and scattered all over the site
also yeah google images has alot on myspace and stuff
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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: notapillow]
    #7712372 - 12/03/07 06:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

the thing about Alex Grey is, he has found a niche that he fits in, and it sells. he isn't moving from that niche. he has been type cast in his formula.

while all of his stuff is extraordinary both in content and technical skill, it still lacks any sense of foresight. all of it seems so planned out that any of his newer stuff I have a hard time getting into.

I want to see him try something new. push the envelope. that's when I really get into an artist; when I can see the risk they took, and succeeded in it. until I see him do that, I will view him as a man who is comfortable where is, but lacks the balls to really be a pioneer to himself and those viewing his work.

http://www.beinart.org/artists/ check this site out for more visionary artists. if you like Alex Grey, you will love this stuff.

check these out in particular:
http://www.beinart.org/artists/satoshi-sakamoto/?GID=516
http://www.beinart.org/artists/michael-hussar/?GID=580
http://www.beinart.org/artists/chet-zar/?GID=531
http://www.beinart.org/artists/robert-venosa/?GID=513

this is my favorite one from there:
http://www.beinart.org/artists/peter-gric/?GID=514#

the forms. the realism. the fantastical. it's simply breath-taking imo.


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: Syle]
    #7712389 - 12/03/07 06:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

also, http://www.beinart.org/artists/jeremy-geddes/?GID=637

check out couch, on that page. it says a lot  :wink:


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: Syle]
    #7712418 - 12/03/07 06:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think right now Alex is totally gearing himself up for the next phase of his work and that centers around building the actual Chapel of Sacred Mirrors, a large structure whose plans are currently on display at his NYC gallery...building that structure, which looks to be wonderful, and creating a community center around it, is the next phase in his work. And he apparently has a wealth of huge paintings he hasn't displayed yet that are too large for the space his gallery currently occupies..


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: Syle]
    #7712454 - 12/03/07 07:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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the thing about Alex Grey is, he has found a niche that he fits in, and it sells. he isn't moving from that niche. he has been type cast in his formula.

while all of his stuff is extraordinary both in content and technical skill, it still lacks any sense of foresight. all of it seems so planned out that any of his newer stuff I have a hard time getting into.

I want to see him try something new. push the envelope. that's when I really get into an artist; when I can see the risk they took, and succeeded in it. until I see him do that, I will view him as a man who is comfortable where is, but lacks the balls to really be a pioneer to himself and those viewing his work.

http://www.beinart.org/artists/  check this site out for more visionary artists. if you like Alex Grey, you will love this stuff.

check these out in particular:
http://www.beinart.org/artists/satoshi-sakamoto/?GID=516
http://www.beinart.org/artists/michael-hussar/?GID=580
http://www.beinart.org/artists/chet-zar/?GID=531
http://www.beinart.org/artists/robert-venosa/?GID=513

this is my favorite one from there:
http://www.beinart.org/artists/peter-gric/?GID=514#

the forms. the realism. the fantastical. it's simply breath-taking imo.




Good site, I like browsing those artist from time to time... good stuff there :smile:


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: andrewss]
    #7713730 - 12/04/07 12:27 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Here is some of the Alex Grey work on the lateralus CD...









Nothing all that special... interesting, figured I might as well post it






Even if you dont like tool the parabol/parabola video is great, the ending is a real great (still from the ending)


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    #7713743 - 12/04/07 12:37 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Here are some more...





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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: andrewss]
    #7714029 - 12/04/07 05:17 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Galaxy and mushroom cloud.


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: notapillow]
    #7714245 - 12/04/07 08:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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ooo never seen this one





Weird, just the other day I said "It would be cool if Alex Grey painted someone playing an instrument."

I pictured Jimmy Hendrix with angels flying out of his mouth though...


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7714256 - 12/04/07 08:09 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I think right now Alex is totally gearing himself up for the next phase of his work and that centers around building the actual Chapel of Sacred Mirrors, a large structure whose plans are currently on display at his NYC gallery...building that structure, which looks to be wonderful, and creating a community center around it, is the next phase in his work. And he apparently has a wealth of huge paintings he hasn't displayed yet that are too large for the space his gallery currently occupies..




right on. i didn't know that. i hope he kind of breaks away from his mold with this. granted it sounds like an architectural/communal type of piece, rather than a contextual painting, so it pretty much should break away from his standard. but i have a gut feeling it's just going to be a building stamped with hundreds of his stereotypical paintings.


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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: WScott]
    #7766529 - 12/16/07 05:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Figured I would post this....

I found this poster of the work "Net of Being" on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/TOOL-10-000-Days-Tour-Alex-Grey-Poster-NEW-40-X-59_W0QQitemZ170178857924QQihZ007QQcategoryZ53281QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

There is one on Alex Grey's site too, but its like 10x16" but it is signed, and has no TOOL branding.

However, that TOOL/AlexGrey poster is pretty massive at 40"x60"

Figured if anyone was interested in having a print/poster of that pretty great piece I would post it :laugh:



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Re: What do think this Alex Grey represents? [Re: andrewss]
    #11134276 - 09/26/09 09:46 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Regarding the first post, I read an article about the "Net of being" Something about him drinking some sort of Psychedelic in South America and becoming a "Ball of awareness" and was floating through the "Net of being" he depicted in that painting...Sorry if this has already been posted.


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