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VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped
    #7673539 - 11/24/07 05:12 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/video-driver-tased-for-asking-why-he-was-stopped/1815/



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A man was tased and arrested on a Utah highway after being stopped by an officer and refusing to sign a speeding ticket because he did not understand what offence he had committed or why he had been pulled over.




Personally, I think the guy that got tased was as courteous as possible under the conditions. The cop never even clocked him, ha. Apparently all charges were dropped, but the speeding ticket stands?


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: kotik]
    #7673562 - 11/24/07 05:37 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

ROFL what a dork. all he had to do was cooperate. its not hard to sign a citation, and even if he had doubts or questions, thats for the courts, not the side of the road.

lol, that lady was sure freaking out though...


imo, the officer was very proffesional about it all and the dude just wouldnt shut the hell up. he had to keep asking questions (the same stupid 10y/o would-ask-these-questions kind of questions) and then he decides to walk back to the car after the officer told him to get down.

thats a big nono. the officer has to assume the worst. either hes evading arrest or hes going to get a weapon, regardless of the guys demeanor. so the cop ended a potential threat before it could get worse.


rofl, though. bravo to some of the idiots in this country...


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: kotik]
    #7673566 - 11/24/07 05:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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kotik said:
  The cop never even clocked him, ha.  Apparently all charges were dropped, but the speeding ticket stands?




for one, the cop pulled over so the guy could pass him. that in itself is way to fast, and secondly theres no way to tell wether or not the cop clocked him, seeing as how we only see out of a 2 inch camera on the dashboard.

and the ticket still stands because it ends uup the cop was completely  in the right. the charges were dropped because it turned out that the guy was resisting arrest.


go figure. the cops did what was right :awesome:


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: kotik]
    #7673605 - 11/24/07 06:13 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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kotik said:
http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/video-driver-tased-for-asking-why-he-was-stopped/1815/



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A man was tased and arrested on a Utah highway after being stopped by an officer and refusing to sign a speeding ticket because he did not understand what offence he had committed or why he had been pulled over.




Personally, I think the guy that got tased was as courteous as possible under the conditions. The cop never even clocked him, ha. Apparently all charges were dropped, but the speeding ticket stands?




What ever happened to the good old days where you'd just get a beat down with a night stick? All these cops are taze happy nowadays and every month you hear about someone dying from it.

Hmm.. it turns out people's heart's just DON'T like 50K volts.

Part of me wants to start carrying around my own tazer. Whenever a copy tries to use it on someone I know who poses no threat I might be tempted to pull mine out and use it on the cop to see how he likes it.

That article reads:

"In the last year over 300 people have died in admitted cases in the US alone from being tased".

That's almost ONE per DAY.

And this hasn't sent a signal out to lawmakers yet? WTF? I bet 99% of these people probably could have been just as easily subdued with pepper spray.


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: BrAiN]
    #7673689 - 11/24/07 06:58 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

what the fuct you expect a guy looking down the barrel of qa gun to due? Took a hard fall brian damage bad bacck now nice settlement

I cant use MDMA or MJ or any of the Beneficial drugs oof our time
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but we can get seriously Fu** y these so called 5.0's

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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: John0809]
    #7673723 - 11/24/07 07:27 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Was dat Engrish?


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: John0809]
    #7673740 - 11/24/07 07:33 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

My prediction: after years and years of legislation and public outrage, they will pass the Taser Public Safety Act, which will basically require the cops to shout out "Sir, you are about to be tased, if you have any preexisting heart or other medical conditions state them now!" followed by a "huh?" by the vict.. err I mean threat - followed by a "zzzp zzpp zzpp" and then moaning.

Whenever they moan, you can tell they deserved it.


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: kotik]
    #7674182 - 11/24/07 11:09 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I can't believe this shit.


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: afoaf]
    #7674226 - 11/24/07 11:31 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i didn't see anything wrong with what that officer did. people got ego problems nowadays.


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: Syle]
    #7674252 - 11/24/07 11:41 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

the officer immediately went for the taser when the guy was
acting neither aggressively or abnormally.

I think it's within your right to question the validity of
a citation.

I don't think it's reasonable for officers to immediately go
for their tasers.

it's not acceptable behavior for law enforcement.


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: afoaf]
    #7674263 - 11/24/07 11:47 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

regardless of his demeanor, once he starts backing towards his car, the officer has to assume the guy is going for a weapon.


though 300 deaths does sound a little overdoing it. lower the voltage?

in any case, like Syle said, people feel justified in any action they do. they are too full of themselves.


and just for the record, cops must experience anything they use (except guns, of course) including tasering, pepper spray, and rubber bullets.


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: afoaf]
    #7674267 - 11/24/07 11:47 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

year its my EGO, along wih my fractured Wrists...

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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: nobhdy]
    #7674298 - 11/24/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

the guy is CLEARLY going for a gun....that's the biggest pile of apologist
bullshit I've seen in this thread thus far.

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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: kotik]
    #7674808 - 11/24/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

the title of this thread is misleading. the driver was tasered for resisting arrest. he was told why he was stopped.

you know that.

1. when you get a traffic ticket, you must sign it to acknowledge that you received the ticket. signing the ticket is not an acknowledgement of guilt. as citizens, this policy is obviously in our own interests. it would not be good if traffic citations could be filed against us without us knowing about them.

2. if you refuse to acknowledge when you receive a ticket, it undermines the said policy. it is therefore not in anyone's interest to allow people to simply refuse to acknowledge a speeding ticket.

3. if someone does refuse to sign a ticket (again, not an admission of guilt, simply an affirmation that the defendant is aware of the charges), the only recourse is to place them under arrest.

4. if the defendant resists arrest, force must be used to render them into compliance.

5. a taser is a good alternative to an old fashioned beat down.

here we have an officer making a reasonable request of a citizen, which is refused, then making the reasonable decision to place that citizen under arrest, which is resisted, then making the reasonable decision to use physical force in response.

this guy was an idiot and hopefully the video helps convict him of resisting arrest as well as speeding.


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: wilshire]
    #7674882 - 11/24/07 03:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

he didn't say that he was placing him under arrest.

the driver says something like where's the sign, the officer
simply asks him to get out of the vehicle...he's got his eye
on the driver the whole time and the minute the guy points down
the highway and asks the question again the officer wheels around
and points a taser at him.

I agree, I would just sign the ticket and go on my merry way, but
I think it's fair for someone to question an officer at the scene
while the facts are still fresh.

It just looks like this guy got baited, from my pov.


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: afoaf]
    #7674917 - 11/24/07 03:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

he told him to turn around and put his hands behind his head. the guy started walking back to the vehicle. he had every reason to use force at that point.

if the guy wanted to know where the sign was, he was free to check for himself later. it's not the officer's job to serve a defendant with all of the evidence against them at the time of their arrest.


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: wilshire]
    #7675005 - 11/24/07 03:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I would buy that line of argument if he had said "please step out of the car,
I'm placing you under arrest"

instead, the guy asks a question and the officer responds with "please step
out of the vehicle" as though he was going to entertain the questioning.

that's the way I perceived it when I watched the vid.

the officer just up ended on the guy, if I were in that situation I don't
think I would have processed it all fast enough to comply before the guy
fired off the taser.

so quick to the trigger.

the driver appears quite non threatening.

again, this is just my perspective and opinion...we can argue this shit
all day, but I think videos like these are indicative of the problem with
tasers...the are TOO EASY to use on citizens.


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: afoaf]
    #7675266 - 11/24/07 05:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

afoaf said:
the guy is CLEARLY going for a gun....that's the biggest pile of apologist
bullshit I've seen in this thread thus far.

grats!




you CLEARLY have no idea what you're talking about.

police are trained to assume the worst. they are actually told that if the suspect disobeys you and reaches for something or moves somewhere he was told not to go, then the police officer MUST assume he is reaching for a weapon(regardless of how "harmless" he looks) for not only the police officers safety, but the safety of any bystanders (in this case, the woman in the car).


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: nobhdy]
    #7675358 - 11/24/07 05:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You're saying that the cop did everything right.

Others are saying he did everything wrong.

Can't we all just admit that both the officer and the offender acted wrongly? Its pretty damn obvious in this situation.


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: nobhdy]
    #7675434 - 11/24/07 06:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

disobeys you and reaches for something or moves somewhere he was told not to go, then the police officer MUST assume he is reaching for a weapon(regardless of how "harmless" he looks)




problem is he pulled the tazer on him BEFORE any of those actions took place


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: afoaf]
    #7675784 - 11/24/07 07:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

AFTER he disobeyed the cop and continued to argue. sounds pretty hostile to me.

youd be surprised how crazy people are. i've heard stories from my grandpa (la county sheriff) of people just like this guy, harmless looking and all around retarded that take a seemingly routine situation and make it dangerous for no reason and without warning.

you cant be too careful.

and i think this is a perfect example of the ignorance of people.

check this out.

this man could have simply went with the cops when they told him to leave (he had broken in without permission and was currently running from the cops when this began filming) but he resisted and fought the whole way out till they tasered him. and the whole time all he can say is "what did i do?" like a spoiled brat feigning ignorance. and when they whip out a taser to subdue him, people immediately yell out "Police brutality!" like the cops werent doing exactly what they were trained to do.

my point is that people tend to think they are justified in anything that they do and when they are told they are doing something wrong, they immediately try and pull the immature ten year old route by asking what they did wrong. do they hope to confuse the person with their seemingly impossible question?

in short, the cops wouldnt have pulled this guy over, nor would they have had to subdue this kid, if they hadnt done anything wrong.

also, he cried like a bitch when they tazered him :awesome:


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: nobhdy]
    #7677399 - 11/25/07 10:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

so you didn't even watch the video...you're just basing your opinion on
what other people have (incorrectly, imo) stated?


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    #7677920 - 11/25/07 01:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #7678008 - 11/25/07 01:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

when the guy starts walking back toward the car, the officer has an obligation to stop him using force if needed. the next thing that usually happens in that scenario is that the guy initiates a high speed chase or grabs a weapon.

this guy expected the cop to drive back and show him where the sign was. come on. are you kidding me? sign the damn ticket and go to court if you want to fight it like everyone else does. that's how our system works. this jackass thought he was an exception and found out he wasn't.


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #7678029 - 11/25/07 01:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm thinking "short man syndrome" coupled with serious control issues and a lack of intelligent handling of situations, people and a danger to public safety.

That, and note how gleeful both cops get on the video when they talk about how this guy "got himself tased". You can bet the story got repeated at the station house with pride a few times over coffee and donuts.




In the past several weeks, 3 people have died here in Canada at the hands of the taser-happy RCMP.


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: wilshire]
    #7678250 - 11/25/07 02:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

did you watch the video?

please watch the video with the volume cranked up.


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #7679032 - 11/25/07 05:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

1. HOW FAST WAS I GOING? (DRIVER ASKED SEVERAL TIMES)

it has to say that on the ticket for the citation to be valid.



this guy wanted the officer to prove to him that he committed the offence before he'd acknowledge the charges. that's not how it works.

2. WHY AM I BEING ARRESTED? (DRIVER ASKED AND WAS TOLD SPEEDING AND THEN BACK TO QUESTION 1. WHICH WAS YET AGAIN UNANSWERED)

he was told why he was being arrested. not an unanswered question.

3. OFFICER WILL YOU READ ME MY RIGHTS? (DRIVER ASKED SEVERAL TIMES)

you don't need to be given a miranda warning when you are arrested.

you must be given it (provided that you are being detained) before you answer police questioning if what you say is to be used as evidence in court.


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: wilshire]
    #7679070 - 11/25/07 05:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I never heard him say that he was placing the driver under arrest before
he whips out the taser and points it at his face.

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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #7679304 - 11/25/07 06:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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If the ticket should have showed the speed in the case in question, then WHY does the driver continue to ask "how fast was I going" even AFTER being tased?

IF the cop clearly told the guy "I had you clocked at 52 in a 40 MPH zone, here is the ticket, here is where it shows the speeding charge and your speed. You have to sign this or you are subject to arrest but signing is not an admission of guilt. If you choose to fight the ticket, it shows where and when traffic court is" then driver is being unreasonable. But with the driver continuing to ask how fast he was going, not agreeing with signing the ticket and apparently under the impression that signing was an admission of guilt (or certainly did not seem to know that NOT signing would get him arrested) then you wonder just what was explained prior to "get out of the car, time for your tasing".






dont you need to know all this before they hand you a license, anyways?


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #7679331 - 11/25/07 06:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

If the ticket should have showed the speed in the case in question, then WHY does the driver continue to ask "how fast was I going" even AFTER being tased?

because he's a jackass?

it says the speed right on the ticket. it also says "without admitting guilt i promise to appear as directed herein" on the spot where you sign it.


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #7679400 - 11/25/07 07:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

look, they both could have handled the situation a little better, i'll give you that. what i'm saying is that the cop was within his rights and the driver was not.


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped *DELETED* [Re: wilshire]
    #7679412 - 11/25/07 07:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: wilshire]
    #7679474 - 11/25/07 07:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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when the guy starts walking back toward the car, the officer has an obligation to stop him using force if needed. the next thing that usually happens in that scenario is that the guy initiates a high speed chase or grabs a weapon.

this guy expected the cop to drive back and show him where the sign was. come on. are you kidding me? sign the damn ticket and go to court if you want to fight it like everyone else does. that's how our system works. this jackass thought he was an exception and found out he wasn't.




why are you still arguing? the fact is, the guy was wrong.

jeez, you guys like to knitpick. its people like you that make us need people like ron paul to get rid of all the crap accumulated in our society. shit, lets make a tiny little law about something because we cant use common sense.


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #7679543 - 11/25/07 07:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

that's not a real ticket, so it's not important if it's filled correctly. it's issued to "yogi bear". i posted it so you can see what the form looks like.

maybe this officer forgot to put the speed on this guy's ticket. he's probably only filled out a thousand or so. maybe the driver, being unaware that such an omission would invalidate the citation, was asking his speed because he was concerned about his ability to formulate a defence in court and not just trying to be a pain in the ass. i don't know.

what i do know is that you must sign where it says "without admitting guilt i promise to appear as directed herein" and then do so when you get a citation, even if the ticket is invalidly completed, and even if the issuing officer denies your request for the facts against you.

what the driver expects is a situation where the police must convince you of your guilt before issuing you a citation, and if you're unconvinced, you can ignore it, and if the police do try to arrest you, you can just leave. obviously this cannot work, so he ends up getting tasered. :crymeariver:


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: nobhdy]
    #7679566 - 11/25/07 07:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

if a cop tells you to put your hands behind your head, he is not stating that your under arrest. its technically and lawfully a form of detention, you are only under arrest when the officer states "you are under arrest"

they may ask you to put your hands behind your head or back before they state they are arresting you, so they may cuff you beforehand, but if they do not state that they are arresting you, then they are only further detaining you.

in no way did this man resist arrest, and its clear in many cases that law enforcement is quick to draw the zap.

ive even met folk in jail who have 6 or 8 taser prods still stuck in their skin, as if the first two prods werent good enough???????!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

they seem to be abusing the power, wether or not this guy was a victim of abuse. they tend to think its alright because well, they arent putting bullets in him, and its not necessarily "deadly" to most people who get shocked.

he shocked the guy once for walking away, and again for not rolling over soon enough. I dont know if u guys have ever taken 50k volts before, but the time i did i couldnt move my muscles for nearly 45 seconds afterwards, they were sore and buzzing and literally numb.
asking something physical of someone such as even rolling over, within 20 seconds of being fried, and then shocking the shit out of him for not doing it, is a definite abuse of power.

i question the length in which officers "experience" these tools, i bet they get shocked by them, but for how long?! ive seen some of these criminal guys take 50k volts for as long as 30 seconds, would that not stop/mess up someones heart rhythms or cause them to go limp in the muscle and be unable to conform to physical requests?

i dont know if u guys have ever heard of pepper balls but they have a paintball gun that shoots pepper-spray filled balls out of it, and one of those would be much more effective and less controversial and deadly than 50k volts of electricity.

i have never been peppered, though ive rubbed my eyes after cutting habanero and i can see how it could be restraining. ive also heard it is hard on the breathing, which is not a permanent effect and would definitely not "kill" someone while subduing them.

i had a very loud party at my house once, and my door was kicked down and before i knew what was happening i had 4 prods in my chest and literally was so in "shock" that my body was unable to move. anyone here who says this man deserved what he got really needs to be shocked by these tazers, and tell us if they were actually able to move afterwards. i couldnt move a muscle, and if i was shocked again for not moving i cant see it helping the problem any. its a form of abuse.


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: eyefyndum]
    #7679809 - 11/25/07 08:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

well then i gotta say, you're a pussy. when i took it, it was for about 20 seconds or so. hurt like hell and i couldnt move a damn muscle, but it really didnt make it so i couldnt move afterwards. if the guy was being threatened with a second tazering, either hes sado-masochistic, or he finds a way to move. its really not hard.

and pepper is selective, which is why tear gas isnt used much anymore. some people can shrug it off, while other people whine about slicing a habenero.

in any case, the cop was still right. he was tasered for resisting arrest. the steps leading up to that point were simply the stupidity of the guy. how hard was it for him to sign it and be on his merry way? nope, had to ask stupid "im right and you're wrong" questions like some immature 10 year old.


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: kotik]
    #7679952 - 11/25/07 09:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

They both were both wrong....    IMO....
The cop seemed to pull out the taser gun rather fuckin' quickly,
and I didn't understand that stance for merely not signing the citation that he refused to correctly explain....
Later in, he kind of gloated saying "Painful, isn't it"....?    Kind of a stooopid rub it in your face ego's question....
The guy was stooooooopid for not listening when the cop gave him commands to turn around and place his hands behind his back....

Being polite to a cop goes a long way, IME....
Their job is to protect and serve....    Dooood got SERVED.....!    :lol:

In all honesty, just think about it from the passenger chick's P.O.V....
Must have looked like a "fake cop" killer movie unfolding....  She was to be next....    :shiftyeyes:


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Re: VIDEO [Re: kotik]
    #7680154 - 11/25/07 11:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Xu ofisur duomands respekt. Wix noe respekt, xu ofisur wil roest yur haid!
<The officer demands respect. With no respect, the officer will roast your hide!>


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Re: VIDEO [Re: Compass]
    #7680645 - 11/26/07 05:35 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I've said it many times, when the police arrive the game is lost and all that is left is damage control.

To me, this looks like two egos going after each other trying to prove who is the bigger cock. The cop, having a gun, wins. I would fault the cop for not maintaining control of the traffic stop and I would fault the guy for becoming confrontational with the cop. I think the cop was a bit quick on the use of the taser, but at the same time, I doubt that the guy was going to all of the sudden start to cooperate.

What really bothers me are the comments made by the cops after the guy is down. It shows that they lack respect for the weapon they used; that they think of it as vigilante justice rather than a potentially lethal weapon. The police really need to change their training to respect the taser as weapon rather than a paddle.


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped *DELETED* [Re: wilshire]
    #7681155 - 11/26/07 09:54 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #7681308 - 11/26/07 10:43 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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maybe this officer forgot to put the speed on this guy's ticket.




If the officer had clocked him he would have put the speed on the ticket. Since the officer only stated "you were going a little fast," yet did not write the speed on the ticket or verbally inform the driver of the speed, this indicates to me that the officer did not know how fast the driver was going.

The officer should have pointed out where it states that signing does not admit guilt, then, possibly the driver would not have felt like he was being lied to by the cop. I imagine that the driver thought that signing the citation admitted that he was speeding, and that was the cop's way around actually proving his rate of speed.

I was in a similar situation when I was in high school. I was leaving the parking lot at the end of the day, and so was everyone else, so there was a bit of congestion up ahead at the intersection. I had just got a new sound system with sub woofers so my younger brother in the passenger seat had cranked up the radio. As I came around the corner, there was a cop parked on my right about 20 yards ahead. I looked down at my speedo which read 20 mph (school zone speed limit is 15 mph). Because everyone was stopped at the intersection, I slowed to a stop as well, and ended up a few car lengths in front of the parked squad car. Well, as we were passing the cop car, my woofer hit very loud and the officer, who was looking away from traffic and towards the school building at the time, looked like he shit his pants. He immediately cut out onto the road and put his spotlight on my rear view mirror and pulled me over.

I thought I was going to get a ticket for the loud music (even though it was within the legal limit). When he got to my window he said he clocked me at 32 mph (17 over in the school zone) and that I could lose my license. I told him that I saw him ahead of time and that I was going less than 20 mph. He told me I was wrong and that he had used his radar gun on me (he didn't even have his radar gun out and didn't even look at me until I was stopping).

Anyways, after running my info (I had a perfect record) he came back and told me how lucky I was that he was in a good mood so he was going to let me go with a warning. So, being a cocky 16 male, I asked him if he could follow me around the block a few times with his radar gun because I thought my speedometer could be malfunctioning. He declined and went away.

Now, in my small suburban town in southwest Wisconsin (20 minutes from the Mad City), the cops always bust kids. There are numerous incidents of kids getting tickets for going 32 in a 30. If I was really going 32 in a 15 with children all over the place, you know I would have gotten a ticket.

Cops lie. The driver in the video experienced this, but let his ego run its mouth. The cop's ego in turn thought, "how dare you question my judgment?" and instead of handling it properly, continued to lie and frustrate the driver. The cop was justified in tasing him once he told him to stay and then he turned around at started back for the vehicle (you don't know if he is going to flee or pull a weapon). However, the officer handled the situation very poorly up until that point.

It was all the result of a lie. If the cop had just told him the speed, it would have been avoided (possibly).


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: SoY]
    #7681532 - 11/26/07 11:46 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

All I can see on this forum is a fairly high percentage of idiots who think a cop is a judge. Or someone to be fucked with. Shut the fuck up, take the ticket, HOPE he didn't write the speed down and go about your business. Some people are just incredibly stupid and need to get over themselves.


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: kotik]
    #7681639 - 11/26/07 12:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The situation clearly could have been handled much better by everyone involved and perhaps it wouldn't have snowballed into a small shit-storm.

The driver was hostile and acted too aggressively for the situation at hand. The officer couldn't justify his motives capably. The passenger complicated the situation by going bat-shit and also acting out-of-line in regards to the situation.

I think that when it comes down to it, the officer was just a man doing his job as he saw fit. He's a human being monitoring some long boring stretch of desert highway, of all the things going on in his head, I doubt he's thinking how thousands of people on the internet are going to psychoanalyze his actions in this situation.

People don't perform perfectly, yes he's a police officer, he did what he saw fit. Lesson to be learned, if a police officer is aiming a taser at you, don't turn your back and walk away.

Be happy that crazy she-bitch seemed to finally realize her place too or her bullshit would have earned her a black eye and a trip to county jail as well.


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: kotik]
    #8131699 - 03/11/08 12:36 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Speeder Tasered by trooper on YouTube video gets $40,000 from state


A Vernal man shocked twice with a Taser during a traffic stop last year has accepted a $40,000 settlement in a lawsuit filed against the state and a Utah Highway Patrol trooper. The Utah Attorney General's Office announced the settlement between Jared Massey and UHP trooper Jon Gardner on Monday. "We think this is a legally defensible case because Trooper Gardner acted reasonably to avert a volatile and potentially dangerous confrontation on the side of a busy highway," said Assistant Attorney General Scott Cheney, who represented Gardner. "We recognize, however, that this is a close case." The settlement comes on the heels of a decision by Tooele County prosecutors earlier this month that determined Gardner's actions were not criminal. An internal UHP investigation also cleared the trooper. Video of the trooper zapping Massey, taken by the trooper's dashboard camera, came to prominence after Massey posted it on the Internet site YouTube. Since it was posted last year, it has been viewed more than 1.7 million times. Massey's attorney, Bob Sykes, said Monday the offer to settle the case was not the state's first and that his client decided to take it. Massey filed a lawsuit against Gardner in January alleging the trooper violated his civil rights when he zapped him during a traffic stop Sept. 14, 2007, on Highway 40 in Uintah County. Advertisement Click Here!

He was stopped for driving 61 mph in a 40 mph zone. During the stop, Massey argued with Gardner about his speed and then refused to sign the citation. Massey then got out of his car and followed Gardner to his police car where he was asked to place his hands behind his back. When Massey refused, Gardner shocked him. The suit said Massey fell screaming in pain after being shocked while Gardner taunted him by saying, "Hurts, doesn't it?" Massey struck his head against the pavement and was zapped a second time because he was unable to immediately obey an order to turn over on his stomach, according to the suit. "We thought the amount of force used was outrageous," Sykes said Monday. The settlement amount includes attorneys' fees. The Attorney General's Office says Massey has agreed to dismiss his lawsuit, all claims against Gardner and all potential claims against UHP, the Utah Department of Public Safety and the state


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8131708 - 03/11/08 12:38 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

The “Hurts, doesn’t it” got him the money.


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8131727 - 03/11/08 12:44 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

what happened to the cop? I hope he got fired


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: BrAiN]
    #8131741 - 03/11/08 12:47 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

yep, he just cost the state of Utah 40 grand..

But i seriously doubt it,the police have Strong Unions.


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8132230 - 03/11/08 02:48 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I really hate that video.

I disagree that the driver's behavior warranted that level of force.

Unfortunately the meatneck assuredly won't lose his job.


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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: afoaf]
    #8132825 - 03/11/08 05:03 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

People also forget your body has a natural resistance of about 100K Ohms on a regular basis, if you've been sweating or anything like that it can decrease that natural resistance to a dangerous level.


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