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Re: VIDEO [Re: kotik]
#7680154 - 11/25/07 11:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Xu ofisur duomands respekt. Wix noe respekt, xu ofisur wil roest yur haid! <The officer demands respect. With no respect, the officer will roast your hide!>
Edited by Compass (11/26/07 12:01 AM)
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Re: VIDEO [Re: Compass]
#7680645 - 11/26/07 05:35 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've said it many times, when the police arrive the game is lost and all that is left is damage control.
To me, this looks like two egos going after each other trying to prove who is the bigger cock. The cop, having a gun, wins. I would fault the cop for not maintaining control of the traffic stop and I would fault the guy for becoming confrontational with the cop. I think the cop was a bit quick on the use of the taser, but at the same time, I doubt that the guy was going to all of the sudden start to cooperate.
What really bothers me are the comments made by the cops after the guy is down. It shows that they lack respect for the weapon they used; that they think of it as vigilante justice rather than a potentially lethal weapon. The police really need to change their training to respect the taser as weapon rather than a paddle.
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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped *DELETED* [Re: wilshire]
#7681155 - 11/26/07 09:54 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Post deleted by LunarEclipseReason for deletion: cops
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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: LunarEclipse]
#7681308 - 11/26/07 10:43 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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maybe this officer forgot to put the speed on this guy's ticket.
If the officer had clocked him he would have put the speed on the ticket. Since the officer only stated "you were going a little fast," yet did not write the speed on the ticket or verbally inform the driver of the speed, this indicates to me that the officer did not know how fast the driver was going.
The officer should have pointed out where it states that signing does not admit guilt, then, possibly the driver would not have felt like he was being lied to by the cop. I imagine that the driver thought that signing the citation admitted that he was speeding, and that was the cop's way around actually proving his rate of speed.
I was in a similar situation when I was in high school. I was leaving the parking lot at the end of the day, and so was everyone else, so there was a bit of congestion up ahead at the intersection. I had just got a new sound system with sub woofers so my younger brother in the passenger seat had cranked up the radio. As I came around the corner, there was a cop parked on my right about 20 yards ahead. I looked down at my speedo which read 20 mph (school zone speed limit is 15 mph). Because everyone was stopped at the intersection, I slowed to a stop as well, and ended up a few car lengths in front of the parked squad car. Well, as we were passing the cop car, my woofer hit very loud and the officer, who was looking away from traffic and towards the school building at the time, looked like he shit his pants. He immediately cut out onto the road and put his spotlight on my rear view mirror and pulled me over.
I thought I was going to get a ticket for the loud music (even though it was within the legal limit). When he got to my window he said he clocked me at 32 mph (17 over in the school zone) and that I could lose my license. I told him that I saw him ahead of time and that I was going less than 20 mph. He told me I was wrong and that he had used his radar gun on me (he didn't even have his radar gun out and didn't even look at me until I was stopping).
Anyways, after running my info (I had a perfect record) he came back and told me how lucky I was that he was in a good mood so he was going to let me go with a warning. So, being a cocky 16 male, I asked him if he could follow me around the block a few times with his radar gun because I thought my speedometer could be malfunctioning. He declined and went away.
Now, in my small suburban town in southwest Wisconsin (20 minutes from the Mad City), the cops always bust kids. There are numerous incidents of kids getting tickets for going 32 in a 30. If I was really going 32 in a 15 with children all over the place, you know I would have gotten a ticket.
Cops lie. The driver in the video experienced this, but let his ego run its mouth. The cop's ego in turn thought, "how dare you question my judgment?" and instead of handling it properly, continued to lie and frustrate the driver. The cop was justified in tasing him once he told him to stay and then he turned around at started back for the vehicle (you don't know if he is going to flee or pull a weapon). However, the officer handled the situation very poorly up until that point.
It was all the result of a lie. If the cop had just told him the speed, it would have been avoided (possibly).
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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: SoY]
#7681532 - 11/26/07 11:46 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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All I can see on this forum is a fairly high percentage of idiots who think a cop is a judge. Or someone to be fucked with. Shut the fuck up, take the ticket, HOPE he didn't write the speed down and go about your business. Some people are just incredibly stupid and need to get over themselves.
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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: kotik]
#7681639 - 11/26/07 12:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The situation clearly could have been handled much better by everyone involved and perhaps it wouldn't have snowballed into a small shit-storm.
The driver was hostile and acted too aggressively for the situation at hand. The officer couldn't justify his motives capably. The passenger complicated the situation by going bat-shit and also acting out-of-line in regards to the situation.
I think that when it comes down to it, the officer was just a man doing his job as he saw fit. He's a human being monitoring some long boring stretch of desert highway, of all the things going on in his head, I doubt he's thinking how thousands of people on the internet are going to psychoanalyze his actions in this situation.
People don't perform perfectly, yes he's a police officer, he did what he saw fit. Lesson to be learned, if a police officer is aiming a taser at you, don't turn your back and walk away.
Be happy that crazy she-bitch seemed to finally realize her place too or her bullshit would have earned her a black eye and a trip to county jail as well.
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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: kotik]
#8131699 - 03/11/08 12:36 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Speeder Tasered by trooper on YouTube video gets $40,000 from state
A Vernal man shocked twice with a Taser during a traffic stop last year has accepted a $40,000 settlement in a lawsuit filed against the state and a Utah Highway Patrol trooper. The Utah Attorney General's Office announced the settlement between Jared Massey and UHP trooper Jon Gardner on Monday. "We think this is a legally defensible case because Trooper Gardner acted reasonably to avert a volatile and potentially dangerous confrontation on the side of a busy highway," said Assistant Attorney General Scott Cheney, who represented Gardner. "We recognize, however, that this is a close case." The settlement comes on the heels of a decision by Tooele County prosecutors earlier this month that determined Gardner's actions were not criminal. An internal UHP investigation also cleared the trooper. Video of the trooper zapping Massey, taken by the trooper's dashboard camera, came to prominence after Massey posted it on the Internet site YouTube. Since it was posted last year, it has been viewed more than 1.7 million times. Massey's attorney, Bob Sykes, said Monday the offer to settle the case was not the state's first and that his client decided to take it. Massey filed a lawsuit against Gardner in January alleging the trooper violated his civil rights when he zapped him during a traffic stop Sept. 14, 2007, on Highway 40 in Uintah County. Advertisement Click Here!
He was stopped for driving 61 mph in a 40 mph zone. During the stop, Massey argued with Gardner about his speed and then refused to sign the citation. Massey then got out of his car and followed Gardner to his police car where he was asked to place his hands behind his back. When Massey refused, Gardner shocked him. The suit said Massey fell screaming in pain after being shocked while Gardner taunted him by saying, "Hurts, doesn't it?" Massey struck his head against the pavement and was zapped a second time because he was unable to immediately obey an order to turn over on his stomach, according to the suit. "We thought the amount of force used was outrageous," Sykes said Monday. The settlement amount includes attorneys' fees. The Attorney General's Office says Massey has agreed to dismiss his lawsuit, all claims against Gardner and all potential claims against UHP, the Utah Department of Public Safety and the state
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_8529728
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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: lonestar2004]
#8131708 - 03/11/08 12:38 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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The “Hurts, doesn’t it” got him the money.
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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: lonestar2004]
#8131727 - 03/11/08 12:44 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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what happened to the cop? I hope he got fired
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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: BrAiN]
#8131741 - 03/11/08 12:47 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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yep, he just cost the state of Utah 40 grand..
But i seriously doubt it,the police have Strong Unions.
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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: lonestar2004]
#8132230 - 03/11/08 02:48 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I really hate that video.
I disagree that the driver's behavior warranted that level of force.
Unfortunately the meatneck assuredly won't lose his job.
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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: afoaf]
#8132825 - 03/11/08 05:03 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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People also forget your body has a natural resistance of about 100K Ohms on a regular basis, if you've been sweating or anything like that it can decrease that natural resistance to a dangerous level.
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