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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: afoaf]
#7675784 - 11/24/07 07:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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AFTER he disobeyed the cop and continued to argue. sounds pretty hostile to me.
youd be surprised how crazy people are. i've heard stories from my grandpa (la county sheriff) of people just like this guy, harmless looking and all around retarded that take a seemingly routine situation and make it dangerous for no reason and without warning.
you cant be too careful.
and i think this is a perfect example of the ignorance of people.
check this out.
this man could have simply went with the cops when they told him to leave (he had broken in without permission and was currently running from the cops when this began filming) but he resisted and fought the whole way out till they tasered him. and the whole time all he can say is "what did i do?" like a spoiled brat feigning ignorance. and when they whip out a taser to subdue him, people immediately yell out "Police brutality!" like the cops werent doing exactly what they were trained to do.
my point is that people tend to think they are justified in anything that they do and when they are told they are doing something wrong, they immediately try and pull the immature ten year old route by asking what they did wrong. do they hope to confuse the person with their seemingly impossible question?
in short, the cops wouldnt have pulled this guy over, nor would they have had to subdue this kid, if they hadnt done anything wrong.
also, he cried like a bitch when they tazered him
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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: nobhdy]
#7677399 - 11/25/07 10:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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so you didn't even watch the video...you're just basing your opinion on what other people have (incorrectly, imo) stated?
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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped *DELETED* [Re: afoaf]
#7677920 - 11/25/07 01:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: LunarEclipse]
#7678008 - 11/25/07 01:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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when the guy starts walking back toward the car, the officer has an obligation to stop him using force if needed. the next thing that usually happens in that scenario is that the guy initiates a high speed chase or grabs a weapon.
this guy expected the cop to drive back and show him where the sign was. come on. are you kidding me? sign the damn ticket and go to court if you want to fight it like everyone else does. that's how our system works. this jackass thought he was an exception and found out he wasn't.
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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: LunarEclipse]
#7678029 - 11/25/07 01:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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LunarEclipse said: I'm thinking "short man syndrome" coupled with serious control issues and a lack of intelligent handling of situations, people and a danger to public safety.
That, and note how gleeful both cops get on the video when they talk about how this guy "got himself tased". You can bet the story got repeated at the station house with pride a few times over coffee and donuts.
In the past several weeks, 3 people have died here in Canada at the hands of the taser-happy RCMP.
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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: wilshire]
#7678250 - 11/25/07 02:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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did you watch the video?
please watch the video with the volume cranked up.
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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped *DELETED* [Re: wilshire]
#7678395 - 11/25/07 02:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: LunarEclipse]
#7679032 - 11/25/07 05:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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1. HOW FAST WAS I GOING? (DRIVER ASKED SEVERAL TIMES)
it has to say that on the ticket for the citation to be valid.

this guy wanted the officer to prove to him that he committed the offence before he'd acknowledge the charges. that's not how it works.
2. WHY AM I BEING ARRESTED? (DRIVER ASKED AND WAS TOLD SPEEDING AND THEN BACK TO QUESTION 1. WHICH WAS YET AGAIN UNANSWERED)
he was told why he was being arrested. not an unanswered question.
3. OFFICER WILL YOU READ ME MY RIGHTS? (DRIVER ASKED SEVERAL TIMES)
you don't need to be given a miranda warning when you are arrested.
you must be given it (provided that you are being detained) before you answer police questioning if what you say is to be used as evidence in court.
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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: wilshire]
#7679070 - 11/25/07 05:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I never heard him say that he was placing the driver under arrest before he whips out the taser and points it at his face.
I'll go back and relisten.
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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped *DELETED* [Re: wilshire]
#7679272 - 11/25/07 06:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: LunarEclipse]
#7679304 - 11/25/07 06:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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LunarEclipse said: If the ticket should have showed the speed in the case in question, then WHY does the driver continue to ask "how fast was I going" even AFTER being tased?
IF the cop clearly told the guy "I had you clocked at 52 in a 40 MPH zone, here is the ticket, here is where it shows the speeding charge and your speed. You have to sign this or you are subject to arrest but signing is not an admission of guilt. If you choose to fight the ticket, it shows where and when traffic court is" then driver is being unreasonable. But with the driver continuing to ask how fast he was going, not agreeing with signing the ticket and apparently under the impression that signing was an admission of guilt (or certainly did not seem to know that NOT signing would get him arrested) then you wonder just what was explained prior to "get out of the car, time for your tasing".
dont you need to know all this before they hand you a license, anyways?
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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: LunarEclipse]
#7679331 - 11/25/07 06:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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If the ticket should have showed the speed in the case in question, then WHY does the driver continue to ask "how fast was I going" even AFTER being tased?
because he's a jackass?
it says the speed right on the ticket. it also says "without admitting guilt i promise to appear as directed herein" on the spot where you sign it.
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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped *DELETED* [Re: nobhdy]
#7679390 - 11/25/07 07:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: LunarEclipse]
#7679400 - 11/25/07 07:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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look, they both could have handled the situation a little better, i'll give you that. what i'm saying is that the cop was within his rights and the driver was not.
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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped *DELETED* [Re: wilshire]
#7679412 - 11/25/07 07:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: wilshire]
#7679474 - 11/25/07 07:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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wilshire said: when the guy starts walking back toward the car, the officer has an obligation to stop him using force if needed. the next thing that usually happens in that scenario is that the guy initiates a high speed chase or grabs a weapon.
this guy expected the cop to drive back and show him where the sign was. come on. are you kidding me? sign the damn ticket and go to court if you want to fight it like everyone else does. that's how our system works. this jackass thought he was an exception and found out he wasn't.
why are you still arguing? the fact is, the guy was wrong.
jeez, you guys like to knitpick. its people like you that make us need people like ron paul to get rid of all the crap accumulated in our society. shit, lets make a tiny little law about something because we cant use common sense.
whatever, guys...
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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: LunarEclipse]
#7679543 - 11/25/07 07:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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that's not a real ticket, so it's not important if it's filled correctly. it's issued to "yogi bear". i posted it so you can see what the form looks like.
maybe this officer forgot to put the speed on this guy's ticket. he's probably only filled out a thousand or so. maybe the driver, being unaware that such an omission would invalidate the citation, was asking his speed because he was concerned about his ability to formulate a defence in court and not just trying to be a pain in the ass. i don't know.
what i do know is that you must sign where it says "without admitting guilt i promise to appear as directed herein" and then do so when you get a citation, even if the ticket is invalidly completed, and even if the issuing officer denies your request for the facts against you.
what the driver expects is a situation where the police must convince you of your guilt before issuing you a citation, and if you're unconvinced, you can ignore it, and if the police do try to arrest you, you can just leave. obviously this cannot work, so he ends up getting tasered.
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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: nobhdy]
#7679566 - 11/25/07 07:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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if a cop tells you to put your hands behind your head, he is not stating that your under arrest. its technically and lawfully a form of detention, you are only under arrest when the officer states "you are under arrest"
they may ask you to put your hands behind your head or back before they state they are arresting you, so they may cuff you beforehand, but if they do not state that they are arresting you, then they are only further detaining you.
in no way did this man resist arrest, and its clear in many cases that law enforcement is quick to draw the zap.
ive even met folk in jail who have 6 or 8 taser prods still stuck in their skin, as if the first two prods werent good enough???????!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
they seem to be abusing the power, wether or not this guy was a victim of abuse. they tend to think its alright because well, they arent putting bullets in him, and its not necessarily "deadly" to most people who get shocked.
he shocked the guy once for walking away, and again for not rolling over soon enough. I dont know if u guys have ever taken 50k volts before, but the time i did i couldnt move my muscles for nearly 45 seconds afterwards, they were sore and buzzing and literally numb. asking something physical of someone such as even rolling over, within 20 seconds of being fried, and then shocking the shit out of him for not doing it, is a definite abuse of power.
i question the length in which officers "experience" these tools, i bet they get shocked by them, but for how long?! ive seen some of these criminal guys take 50k volts for as long as 30 seconds, would that not stop/mess up someones heart rhythms or cause them to go limp in the muscle and be unable to conform to physical requests?
i dont know if u guys have ever heard of pepper balls but they have a paintball gun that shoots pepper-spray filled balls out of it, and one of those would be much more effective and less controversial and deadly than 50k volts of electricity.
i have never been peppered, though ive rubbed my eyes after cutting habanero and i can see how it could be restraining. ive also heard it is hard on the breathing, which is not a permanent effect and would definitely not "kill" someone while subduing them.
i had a very loud party at my house once, and my door was kicked down and before i knew what was happening i had 4 prods in my chest and literally was so in "shock" that my body was unable to move. anyone here who says this man deserved what he got really needs to be shocked by these tazers, and tell us if they were actually able to move afterwards. i couldnt move a muscle, and if i was shocked again for not moving i cant see it helping the problem any. its a form of abuse.
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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: eyefyndum]
#7679809 - 11/25/07 08:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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well then i gotta say, you're a pussy. when i took it, it was for about 20 seconds or so. hurt like hell and i couldnt move a damn muscle, but it really didnt make it so i couldnt move afterwards. if the guy was being threatened with a second tazering, either hes sado-masochistic, or he finds a way to move. its really not hard.
and pepper is selective, which is why tear gas isnt used much anymore. some people can shrug it off, while other people whine about slicing a habenero.
in any case, the cop was still right. he was tasered for resisting arrest. the steps leading up to that point were simply the stupidity of the guy. how hard was it for him to sign it and be on his merry way? nope, had to ask stupid "im right and you're wrong" questions like some immature 10 year old.
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Re: VIDEO: Driver Tased For Asking Why He Was Stopped [Re: kotik]
#7679952 - 11/25/07 09:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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They both were both wrong.... IMO.... The cop seemed to pull out the taser gun rather fuckin' quickly, and I didn't understand that stance for merely not signing the citation that he refused to correctly explain.... Later in, he kind of gloated saying "Painful, isn't it"....? Kind of a stooopid rub it in your face ego's question.... The guy was stooooooopid for not listening when the cop gave him commands to turn around and place his hands behind his back....
Being polite to a cop goes a long way, IME.... Their job is to protect and serve.... Dooood got SERVED.....! 
In all honesty, just think about it from the passenger chick's P.O.V.... Must have looked like a "fake cop" killer movie unfolding.... She was to be next.... 
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