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Mushrooms for other industries
    #7672351 - 11/23/07 08:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Ok i love growing mushrooms, but to make enough money to support my family growing edibles just doesn't seem feasible. Are there any other mushrooms out the that have substances or chemicals in them that are in high demand and fetch a high price. Like growing mushrooms for pharmaceutical companies or manufacturing industries..


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Re: Mushrooms for other industries [Re: strangladesh]
    #7672382 - 11/23/07 08:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Nope, mushrooms are not a commodity. We're still waiting for our George Washington Carver.


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Re: Mushrooms for other industries [Re: YidakiMan]
    #7673286 - 11/24/07 01:51 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Mushrooms for other industries [Re: legallyhomeless]
    #7674466 - 11/24/07 12:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Doesn't ergot produce something used in a headache medicine??


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Re: Mushrooms for other industries [Re: INF3CT3DMUSHROOM]
    #7674688 - 11/24/07 02:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Cordyceps brings a few thousand dollars a pound.
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Re: Mushrooms for other industries [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7675012 - 11/24/07 03:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

why arnt more companies growing them?


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Re: Mushrooms for other industries [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7675043 - 11/24/07 03:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Cordyceps brings a few thousand dollars a pound.
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I need to start growing cordyceps :awesome:


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Re: Mushrooms for other industries [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7675939 - 11/24/07 08:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Cordyceps brings a few thousand dollars a pound.
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If anyone been watch that new series on the discovery channel called blue planet you would have seen these in the jungle episode. They show many beautiful mushroom shots on that episode. I didnt think they were edible however. They said that when an ant colony finds one infected with the parasite, they carry it off to die. This way the colony is not in danger.




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Re: Mushrooms for other industries [Re: legallyhomeless]
    #7676301 - 11/24/07 10:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Ive seen this, very cool time lapsed video...But how do you mass produce these?


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Re: Mushrooms for other industries [Re: strangladesh]
    #7676346 - 11/24/07 10:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Cloning sounds like a fantastic idea. You should probably preserve whatever remains of the fruiting body, since the clone will doubtfully fruit in absence of the insect host.

Good shit.  :laugh:




It would probally be a hell of a challenge to mass produce these.


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Re: Mushrooms for other industries [Re: legallyhomeless]
    #7676429 - 11/24/07 11:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

They grow the mycelium, not the fruiting body. Getting a culture is the hardest part. You can't buy one at any cost that I've found. You have to find one in the wild and get a clone or spores. Here's mine. I'm using cricket agar to attempt to propagate it.
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Re: Mushrooms for other industries [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7676683 - 11/25/07 02:00 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Mushrooms for other industries [Re: budmanman]
    #7677028 - 11/25/07 06:50 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Were did you find that @....


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Re: Mushrooms for other industries [Re: strangladesh]
    #7677207 - 11/25/07 09:03 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Did a quick search for Cordyceps. Amazing stuff. RR, very interesting culture. Is there a specific species?


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Re: Mushrooms for other industries [Re: LoWgRoW]
    #7677214 - 11/25/07 09:07 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The one above appears to be Cordyceps militaris.
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    #7677517 - 11/25/07 10:56 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Interisting information on commercial production [Re: TheChosenOne]
    #7679780 - 11/25/07 08:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

> They said that when an ant colony finds one infected with the parasite, they carry it off to die. This way the colony is not in danger.

It gets even better than that - Some types of ants post guards at the enterence to the nest who smell each ant going in. Any ant that smells like cordyceps spores gets his head chopped off.

> I'm using cricket agar to attempt to propagate it.

Does it refuse to grow on regular agar?

How do you make cricket agar, is it basically a thick cricket soup?

> You can't buy one at any cost that I've found.

Once I get my hands on a viable culture I will give it away for free in the marketplace forum. I know some people have them, but they are trying to use them to get rich which precludes sharing. Aloha medicinals claims to do all sorts of secret stuff to the grain jars, but I am skeptical.


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Re: Interisting information on commercial production [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7680547 - 11/26/07 04:11 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think RR said in his other cordyceps thread that he got like twenty cricket blended them and mixed with reg agar-agar. Interesting idea.
RR isn't some cordyceps very particular to the insect host? What was the host on the original? It looks alot like a yellow jacket but I don't know.


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Re: Interisting information on commercial production [Re: japa2222]
    #7680904 - 11/26/07 08:33 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

RR why haven't you made you millions yet....mabey its time to give me a shot at it...


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Re: Interisting information on commercial production [Re: strangladesh]
    #7681037 - 11/26/07 09:24 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Once I get my hands on a viable culture I will give it away for free in the marketplace forum. I know some people have them, but they are trying to use them to get rich which precludes sharing




Which is exactly why I won't give mine away. I'm now several thousand dollars into DNA testing just to determine the various species I'm isolating. Cordyceps has many anamorphs, which make it very hard and expensive to cultivate. It has a 'green mold' conidial stage which further complicates matters.

Those who spend their hard earned cash and time to isolate strains should be compensated. I've broken several bones climbing mountains in search of rare species, and mrs rabbit is laid up right now with a broken leg as a result of a terrible fall during a mountain top foray two weeks ago. Why should we just give our work away? Think about it. The grocery store doesn't give us free food, and Jeep didn't give us our mountain vehicle for free either. Nobody paid us to train our bodies to climb 4K to 5K vertical feet and back in one short winter day either. We've worked very hard for what we have.
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Re: Interisting information on commercial production [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7681390 - 11/26/07 11:09 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Interesting thread. RR I agree with your point on having to be compensated for the work put into acquiring and cultivating Cordyceps.

However, would it not be profitable to sell as a mycobag sorta thing? I mean we have lots of issues with termites in my area. So my question would be, ethically is it useful (or right) to be able to use Cordyceps against such infestations? Secondly, in what form would you be able to sell the product? Also, have you figured a price for such a thing?

I would be interested in setting up as a dealer if you decide to sell, but cant afford to invest a lot of money in it. Um....perhaps I should deal with this in a PM?

Ok, anyhoo, my question was, does the C. militaris have specific strains to infect hosts, or are there several different species specific to host insects?

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Re: Interisting information on commercial production [Re: gmuralid]
    #7681828 - 11/26/07 01:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

>>Once I get my hands on a viable culture I will give it away for free in the marketplace forum. I know some people have them, but they are trying to use them to get rich which precludes sharing
> Which is exactly why I won't give mine away.

Which is exactly why I will give away cultures for free once I get them.

I think that they should be out there and it would benefit humanity to have a lot more people working on them.

> Those who spend their hard earned cash and time to isolate strains should be compensated.

You are welcome to try, but you will have to compete with people like me who are willing do whatever it takes to release Cordyceps cultures to the world for free.

> Why should we just give our work away? Think about it.

It is important to spread the medicinal mycelium far and wide for humanitarian reasons.

If a lot of cultures are out there for free, that will lower the price of Cordyceps very significantly, allowing people who don't have much money to benefit from the compounds they contain.

> Nobody paid us to train our bodies to climb 4K to 5K vertical feet and back in one short winter day either. We've worked very hard for what we have.

Anyone who can get paid to hike 4k to 5k vertical feet is very clever.

> I mean we have lots of issues with termites in my area.

See Mycelium Running page 110 - 120.


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Re: Interisting information on commercial production [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7681960 - 11/26/07 01:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You don't HAVE to release it to the world, but your not going to stop it.


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Re: Interisting information on commercial production [Re: Slimz]
    #7683814 - 11/26/07 10:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I would have no problem with fellow members here growing one of my strains. The problem with giving them away is one of the first ones in line will be big pharma to get a free culture they'll sell for millions of dollars in tablet form. If there's a financial benefit to be derived from my work, I intend to see that it goes to me and not to them. Alan, if you think I should give everything I work for away, be sure to tell your boss next payday that you don't want paychecks anymore, and to simply donate them to the pharmaceutical companies. You're working for the good of humanity.
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Re: Interisting information on commercial production [Re: gmuralid]
    #7688597 - 11/27/07 10:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Interesting thread. RR I agree with your point on having to be compensated for the work put into acquiring and cultivating Cordyceps.

However, would it not be profitable to sell as a mycobag sorta thing? I mean we have lots of issues with termites in my area. So my question would be, ethically is it useful (or right) to be able to use Cordyceps against such infestations? Secondly, in what form would you be able to sell the product? Also, have you figured a price for such a thing?

I would be interested in setting up as a dealer if you decide to sell, but cant afford to invest a lot of money in it. Um....perhaps I should deal with this in a PM?

Ok, anyhoo, my question was, does the C. militaris have specific strains to infect hosts, or are there several different species specific to host insects?

Im interested in the possibilities.




In a Paul Stamets video (a speach to LOHAS) and in the book Mycelium Running he has patented the use of a mold, rather then Cordyceps to kill termites and all social insects. By using extracts that is diluted 500x they can treat a house for about 25 cents and they wont return for several years due to the spores spread by the resulting fungus infections. He was working with some big companies to I think get a product out there, but not sure if its available yet.

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Re: Interisting information on commercial production [Re: Culland]
    #7688623 - 11/27/07 10:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Last week I thought I found a Cordyceps culture for sale while surfing the web and looking at a culture site. However, I cant find it again and it may have been just an extract I saw and was confused, useful information none the less:

http://www.magicmushrooms.org/

Found the culture I saw after all:

http://www.mushroompeople.com/

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Re: Interesting information on commercial production [Re: Culland]
    #7691837 - 11/28/07 06:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I for one support making money off of strains that are isolated or developed in the lab. It takes a lot of time, money, and expertise to develop useful strains and mutants.

Without a way to at least recoup expenses and further the next round of research is simply won't get done. It's not like anyone is preventing you from collecting and breeding your own culture. By the time you're done you'll probably have a different point of view about weather it should be worth some money anyways.


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Re: Interisting information on commercial production [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7693612 - 11/29/07 03:26 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Good point, completly understandable, these arnt exactly oysters or cubies :smile:


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Re: Interisting information on commercial production [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7766586 - 12/16/07 05:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Interisting information on commercial production [Re: laten]
    #7768014 - 12/17/07 12:12 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

well said... like sure I'd LOVE a free cordycep culture

but I'm not going to be broken down climbing a mountain spending thousands like RogerRabbit and not expect money for a cordycep culture.

are you selling because that site sells them but $90 shipped to canada tht site being mushroompeople.com


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Re: Interisting information on commercial production [Re: flavoraid]
    #7768680 - 12/17/07 09:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Interesting, that site has Cordyceps militaris petri dish culture for $45.

Paul Stamets told me that species doesn't need bugs to fruit.

It cost $53 with shipping. Watch for free Cordyceps militaris cultures in the marketplace soon.


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    #7770288 - 12/17/07 04:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Interesting, that site has Cordyceps militaris petri dish culture for $45.

Paul Stamets told me that species doesn't need bugs to fruit.

It cost $53 with shipping. Watch for free Cordyceps militaris cultures in the marketplace soon.





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Re: Interisting information on commercial production [Re: casgoodie]
    #7841257 - 01/06/08 08:34 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

I made 15 plates of Cordyceps militaris three days ago.

They are looking pretty healthy.

PM me your address if you would like one.


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    #7842221 - 01/07/08 02:32 AM (16 years, 26 days ago)

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I made 15 plates of Cordyceps militaris three days ago.

They are looking pretty healthy.

PM me your address if you would like one.




PM sent

I just finished reading:
http://www.alohamedicinals.com/Cordy_Article.pdf

an absolute incredible read, I believe I possess the funds and some of the equipment already to make cultivating this "mushroom" entirely possible, im just keeping my fingers crossed that you still have a plate or two available


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    #7842866 - 01/07/08 09:59 AM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Bear in mind, Cordyceps militaris has many anamorphs, including 'green molds'. It's an amazing species, as I'm finding out firsthand here.

Alan, if you can afford it, send your culture for DNA testing. It would be very interesting to see what comes back, and what anamorph, if any, they're selling.
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Re: Interisting information on commercial production [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7843068 - 01/07/08 11:04 AM (16 years, 25 days ago)

How is your culture going RR? Did you send a new sample to the lab for DNA testing?

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    #7843316 - 01/07/08 12:05 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Actually, the first one tested morphed into a different mycelium type, which tested as Cordyceps militaris. This shows that at least one anamorph of Cordyceps is Penicillium. I'll work up a paper on this as soon as I have more info. It's a long, slow process with this shape-shifting, and apparently DNA altering organism. However, I'm busy with a new video project as well, so the Cordy cultures are in cold storage at the moment, there to remain until I have more time available.
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    #7843447 - 01/07/08 01:01 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

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Bear in mind, Cordyceps militaris has many anamorphs, including 'green molds'. It's an amazing species, as I'm finding out firsthand here.





that is what I have found so interesting about cordyceps is limited research available and the opportunity to isolate and to perhaps discover a completely new species all together


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Re: Mushrooms for other industries [Re: strangladesh]
    #7852612 - 01/09/08 07:59 AM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Your best bet would be agaricus brasiliensis, or blazei.

You'd still need a decent sized grow house and lab to pull off a profit. You'd also have to sell directly to restaurants, so you'd need some help.


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