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    #7671106 - 11/23/07 04:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Here is the 1000 MH "blue spectrum" which keeps the overall room temp at about 78 degrees. To the left on the floor is the double tub incubator, and to the right is a few mono tub style fruiting chambers.



Here is a better pic of the stack so far.




My friend plans to add four, four foot red spectrum flo for budding, and a small cool t5 flo cloning, and veg area above the mono tub stack. The veg shelf is about four feet high, and 3x4 wide. This will be sealed in black rubber, with small fan ventilation, but no light in or out so both sections can be run on 8/16 and 12/12. Any ideas or problems foreseen?


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Re: Hybrid Closet Idea "with pics" [Re: Glacier Creek]
    #7671274 - 11/23/07 04:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

looks good so far.  Good luck with it. And rember to post pics of your grow when it comes  :thumbup:


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Re: Hybrid Closet Idea "with pics" [Re: Glacier Creek]
    #7671323 - 11/23/07 04:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i woudlnt waste the $$ buying all those lights. mushrooms are not plants, the lights wont make them grow bigger or produce more. but its your setup so you can do what you want. GL

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Re: Hybrid Closet Idea "with pics" [Re: willmafingerdo]
    #7671403 - 11/23/07 05:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The lights are for the plants, not for the mushrooms. I just chose MH because it stays more in the blue spectrum which will in turn make it possible to keep tubs in the same rooms. Or closet rather.


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Re: Hybrid Closet Idea "with pics" [Re: Glacier Creek]
    #7671429 - 11/23/07 05:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Keeping plants and mushrooms in the same room can be a bad idea as earth contains a lot of trichoderma (in fact some earths are enriched in it) and trich is a contaminant


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Re: Hybrid Closet Idea "with pics" [Re: Nibin]
    #7671864 - 11/23/07 06:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Keeping plants and mushrooms in the same room can be a bad idea as earth contains a lot of trichoderma (in fact some earths are enriched in it) and trich is a contaminant




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Re: Hybrid Closet Idea "with pics" [Re: total]
    #7672643 - 11/23/07 09:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I guess we'll see how it works out. Thanks for the heads up about triche though. All the tub work will obviously have to happen in a different room, then sealed back up, and moved back in. For gnats as well.


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Re: Hybrid Closet Idea "with pics" [Re: Glacier Creek]
    #7673357 - 11/24/07 02:15 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

also, the mushrooms will need alot of humidity...which can lead to budrot. better to keep them in separate grow areas.


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Re: Hybrid Closet Idea "with pics" [Re: Optx]
    #7701574 - 12/01/07 12:59 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)





No contams so far. A couple of fly papers have been added around the plants. Buds coming soon, and the Mushrooms are here.

RR posted a picture today here:

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They may not like the smoke, but they seem to like the weed.
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That got me thinking about drying all the stems, stripping them into fine peices and treating them like straw. I will add a little coir/coffee/gypsum to the mix, and check the PH before using as bulk. This would cut my trips to the store to buy coir by about half or more! You never know.

RH in the room itself is the same as the rest of my house due the intake and exhaust system which is filtered. RH in the tubs is kept at 80- 96% adjusted using bubble stones, with airflow ajustment valves. I run 3 tubs from the same pump using a 5 dollar tube splitting kit for fish tanks. It has the ajustment valves in the kit so you can vary each tubs bubbles.

If cased I can leave it on low, and if uncased I can crank for more RH.
I keep everything vacumed, clean, and sanatized. No signs of gnats on the papers. So far looks like you can do both in the same closet.



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Re: Hybrid Closet Idea "with pics" [Re: Glacier Creek]
    #7701595 - 12/01/07 01:13 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Im not a fan of 1000 watt bulbs, Id rather take two 400 watt HPS and run them in my budding room, with a 250watt MH light for veg, 18/6 light cycle for 3 weeks of veg, then timers go over to 12/12 and *BAM* huge pornstar cola's


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Re: Hybrid Closet Idea "with pics" [Re: punkhardcore92]
    #7701611 - 12/01/07 01:22 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I am not trying to get peak herb yeilds, but rather combine the two hobbies into one closet.

The 1000 MH supplimented with T5 warm spectrum flo for budding seemed like the best bet. The cool light from the MH is for the mushrooms. The lighs are to stay on a 12/12 cycle all the time. The veg portion of the room is a light sealed air vented portion of the closet lit with a 250watt MH on 16/8.

Change of design. After the first herb harvest the entire system is being changed to a pvc pipe hydro system. Fed via water pump and drained by gravity back into the mixing tub under the table. No more trich threat or messy watering table.

As of now two mothers are kept with 12 clones rooted, then placed into rockwool cubes to allow veg growth to a size of about 4 nodes where they are thown into one and a half gallon pots of foxfarm soil with added perlite, then watered with a 1/10 solution of pure blend bud with every watering until the last two weeks.


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Re: Hybrid Closet Idea "with pics" [Re: Glacier Creek]
    #7701625 - 12/01/07 01:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

heck yeah, get it done. I was just always worried about the power draw of 1000 watt bulbs, two 400's will produce more lumen's than a single 1000 providing you have a decent hood and good bulbs with great lumen to watt ratio. I really really need a bigger room :S.


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Re: Hybrid Closet Idea "with pics" [Re: Glacier Creek]
    #7701634 - 12/01/07 01:41 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Damn, you mislead me. I saw "Cannabis as bulk" and I thought you were going to use harvested Cannabis as a bulk substrate which would have been quite the thread. I know many of the nutrients in cannabis are quite beneficial to humans when orally consumed (hemp seed, etc) but I honestly don't know if cubensis would fruit off of just straight harvested cannabis. Or even, live cannabis. Wow, that would be crazy... just injecting LC into buds and having booms fruiting off of live buds on flowering herb plants. Ah, I've been drinking heavily, whatever I've said is probably just nonsense. What a shame :frown: If it's too good to be true it probably isn't. Not to mention it'd render the buds useless, all covered in mycelium.


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Re: Hybrid Closet Idea "with pics" [Re: Glacier Creek]
    #7701641 - 12/01/07 01:48 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I did not mean spawning to buds, just the dried stems left over from the herb harvest.



As soon as the first herb harvest comes down and is dried all of the leftover stem material is going to be processed like straw and spawned to. I plan to do some with coffee and some just stem.

My hope is to add this to my normal coir/coffe mix but cutting the materials I am actually buying in half. It will take a little bit of work to strip the stems into a more fiberous texture, but if it works it will be well worth the effort.



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Re: Hybrid Closet Idea "with pics" [Re: Glacier Creek]
    #7701753 - 12/01/07 03:18 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Hybrid Closet Idea "with pics" [Re: JewelessCaesar]
    #7702009 - 12/01/07 08:16 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'm surprised nobody dug this picture up from an old thread a few years ago.  This is a QP of white widow buds.  Alone, the buds were a fairly poor substrate, but I'm sure with a bit of spicing up with other ingredients, hemp is an excellent food source.  You can use mycelium to recycle the old stems for sure.  Hemp seems to be a better substrate material than the nugs, which is fine by me. :laugh:
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Re: Hybrid Closet Idea "with pics" [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7702185 - 12/01/07 09:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm surprised nobody dug this picture up from an old thread a few years ago.  This is a QP of white widow buds.  Alone, the buds were a fairly poor substrate, but I'm sure with a bit of spicing up with other ingredients, hemp is an excellent food source.  You can use mycelium to recycle the old stems for sure.  Hemp seems to be a better substrate material than the nugs, which is fine by me. :laugh:
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I would just dry that whole thing once it finished fruiting, and smoke it all.

Thats some very cool stuff there RR.  Thanks so much.  This just seems like such a great way to suppliment my bulk.  I already use a fish tank hose to let the run off from my misting uncased tubs drain into my watering can for the plants.  This is just the water that runs down the wall of the tub when it is directly sprayed.  A little thing I know, but everything helps. 

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Re: Hybrid Closet Idea "with pics" [Re: Glacier Creek]
    #7702857 - 12/01/07 01:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Haha, reminds me of what Dennis McKenna used to refer to as "The Good Shit," some sort of admixture of hashish and mycelium-containing manure, said to produce intense effects when smoked. Great photos.


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Re: Hybrid Closet Idea "with pics" [Re: punkhardcore92]
    #7702978 - 12/01/07 02:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Im not a fan of 1000 watt bulbs, Id rather take two 400 watt HPS and run them in my budding room, with a 250watt MH light for veg, 18/6 light cycle for 3 weeks of veg, then timers go over to 12/12 and *BAM* huge pornstar cola's




Bad Idea. All 400 watt lamps no matter if MH, HID or HPS has lousy energy to heat ratio. The 600 is better but the 100 watt is way better.

The T5 is good for veggie and clones like you said. So basically just the 2 lights would be good. Unless you had the T5 with a smaller, maybe 250 w/MH would be good. But for the budding stage stick with the 1000 watter. That's where the density comes in.

Looks like your already working with clones, because of the internode spacing. Very good what you have right now (plants). They look dense. That's from the 1000 watter.

You won't get that with the T5 unless you start bending the plant causing it to stress which is like topping it without cutting it. This is also very good. It allows the plant below the tip to grow very full. Once the plants are about a foot tall sometimes shorter depending on the strength of the stock. Just grab the tip of the plant tie a little piece of dental floss or a twist tie from the produce section. Make sure you loosley tie a loop around it. Just enough to hold the tip without it slipping out of the not.

Pull the plant down til it arks. Tie it to something, the other tip of the floss or string. Keeping the plant bent. The top of the plant tip down. Keep it like that for a week or 2.

Then BAM! You have some good growth. Phleom and Zylum kicks in and your set. Untie it.

And as far as the mushies don't keep them in the same room. Without a doubt you will get some type of fly or pest from the plants. It's practically impossible not to.

Then you fan your mushies here and there, a pest gets inside, lays eggs, your screwed.

You can use light from a window for your mushrooms.

Hope this helps. If you have anymore ?'s PM me. I used to grow very very well. As well as taking horticulture classes and botonay classes in college.

I love giving growing advice as well as growing.

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Re: Hybrid Closet Idea "with pics" [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7703011 - 12/01/07 02:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm surprised nobody dug this picture up from an old thread a few years ago.  This is a QP of white widow buds.  Alone, the buds were a fairly poor substrate, but I'm sure with a bit of spicing up with other ingredients, hemp is an excellent food source.  You can use mycelium to recycle the old stems for sure.  Hemp seems to be a better substrate material than the nugs, which is fine by me. :laugh:
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That makes me want to cry... haha, i don't know if i should be happy or angry that people have that kind of bud to toss around and i'm scratchin and clawin to get high. haha

Well done, rr

Also, Glacier, you as a chef, should know that cannabis is a spice. haha

Nice goin man, good luck, and keep us posted


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