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QDP843
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HELP
#7670930 - 11/23/07 03:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/1880227/page/0/fpart/4/vc/1
I WAS LOOKING at this grow.
he didn't break up the cake, and just put a casing layer all around it! never heard of that!! but look like it works.
so i thought you HAD to have a bulk substrate! if u doing casing?
well then if not
i have this casing mix
pre-mixed 50/50+mushroom casing mix with Manure, with added lime and worm casings.
so can i just crumble cakes in a container and put this on top and wait?
basically, would this do anything or am i wasting time?
cuz from what i thought, you crumble cakes put a bulk substrate on top, wait, then case
can you just put a casing layer on top of cakes and do it or the results poor like producing off cake?
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Re: HELP [Re: QDP843]
#7670934 - 11/23/07 03:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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and not only that, i forgot the most important part
someone in there said, u dont have to sterilze the casing layer????
huh? what about contam?
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blood4blood
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Re: HELP [Re: QDP843]
#7670950 - 11/23/07 03:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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you pastuerize casing material. not sterilize it.
and you dont want manure in your casing mix. thats loaded with nutes, and that will colonize as well and thats not what you want. i think putting casing mix ariund a already colonized cake is retarded! fruit cakes as a cake. enough said.
Edited by blood4blood (11/23/07 03:14 PM)
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QDP843
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the person that sold it to me said this can be done in microwave but that dont seem safe
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Re: HELP [Re: QDP843]
#7670963 - 11/23/07 03:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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if your going to crumble the cakes and mix them with something more nutritious you would be spawning not casing.
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Re: HELP [Re: QDP843]
#7670968 - 11/23/07 03:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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what im not grasping is what's the point of putting a casing layer over cakes ?
seems like the shrooms are just growing off cake and poking through the casing have no effect.
but, with a bulk substrate, the cakes kinda latch on to the bulk substrate becoming stronger and bigger, THEN poke through the casing layer.
so what good would a casing layer on cakes do with a bulk substrate in the middle?
just trying to understand this.
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Re: HELP [Re: QDP843]
#7670971 - 11/23/07 03:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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im trying to explain what i need to know the best i can sorry if im not clear .
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Re: HELP [Re: QDP843]
#7670978 - 11/23/07 03:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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if you spawn your colonized cakes to a bulk substrate you will get more fruits...
because you have increased the ammount of substrate.
if you just case your cakes...
you won't increase the ammount of subtrate...
and you won't get more fruits.
you would crumble your colonized cakes and spawn(mix) them into a bulk substrate...
let that fully colonize...
then put a casing layer over the top of that.
understand better?
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QDP843
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Quote:
blood4blood said: you pastuerize casing material. not sterilize it.
and you dont want manure in your casing mix. thats loaded with nutes, and that will colonize as well and thats not what you want. i think putting casing mix ariund a already colonized cake is retarded! fruit cakes as a cake. enough said.
so, why this guy selling mushroom casing mix have cow manure in it?
so dont use this?
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so i was right, putting casing on cakes is pointless and waste of time? thanks. just making sure, because i have a casing mix but no bulk substrate and i was just going to crumble cakes and put that on there, but no i relize how stupid i must sound. altho i did do a search and seen someone else do it (without crumblin tho) so thats why i had to ask and double check
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Roadkill said: if you spawn your colonized cakes to a bulk substrate you will get more fruits...
because you have increased the ammount of substrate.
if you just case your cakes...
you won't increase the ammount of subtrate...
and you won't get more fruits.
you would crumble your colonized cakes and spawn(mix) them into a bulk substrate...
let that fully colonize...
then put a casing layer over the top of that.
understand better?
tc
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Re: HELP [Re: QDP843]
#7670997 - 11/23/07 03:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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a good casing mix is 50% verm 50% peat moss
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QDP843
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thats what it is, with added cow manure, lime and worm castings
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Re: HELP [Re: QDP843]
#7671026 - 11/23/07 03:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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don't use substrates with your casing material.
cow manure and worm castings are bulk substrates...
so don't use these in your casing layer.
RR's casing method is a damn good one...
check it out...
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5824391#Post5824391
tc
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Re: HELP [Re: QDP843]
#7671046 - 11/23/07 03:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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here's a couple pics of my first casing ever. it was 1 qrt. colonized rye spawned to 1 qrt. coir. after that fully colonized (took approx 1 week) i put a casing layer on it (2nd pic) i put that on yesterday and its already starting to pook through the back right corner. i was always nervous about doing bulk cause ive had such good luck with cakes. but i figured to give it a try and it looks like its going good so far. i was going to do a mono but i lost a bunch of jars to contamed syringes. you should give bulk a try.
Edited by blood4blood (11/23/07 03:49 PM)
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Some people just case cakes on their own, without adding any more substrate but dunking and rolling will give the same if not better resultshttp://www.shroomery.org/9735/Should-I-crumble-and-case-my-cakes
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