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YOu cant just suck it up a couple times a year and hold your own family's hand for prayer?
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Re: Christians....... [Re: Toddo]
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Toddo said: YOu cant just suck it up a couple times a year and hold your own family's hand for prayer?
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no...not at all. I just thought I would type that out.
I'm not a Christian but I'm not going to be a dick about it and refuse to hold someones hand because I don't believe in jesus. Who cares.. its a meaningless ritual to me, but very meaningful to some in my family...I'm willing to deal with the 10 seconds of thanks. (but I do have a pretty badass family) Now..if you want to get all technical and your family is a house hold of zealots that make 5 minute prayers every meal...then by all means...refuse. Its your right to even refuse whenever you want. Walk into the backyard and wait for them to be finished with their magical chants that secretly try to convert you.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: aDoS]
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it is a big deal and I won't do it for anyone I wouldn't do it at a funeral I won't do it anywhere. It has nothing to do with being a rebel it has everything to do with respect.
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and judging by your this post, you've already become what your family is. (perhaps worse?)
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Re: Christians....... [Re: Toddo]
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Toddo said: no...not at all. I just thought I would type that out.
I'm not a Christian but I'm not going to be a dick about it and refuse to hold someones hand because I don't believe in jesus. Who cares.. its a meaningless ritual to me, but very meaningful to some in my family...I'm willing to deal with the 10 seconds of thanks. (but I do have a pretty badass family) Now..if you want to get all technical and your family is a house hold of zealots that make 5 minute prayers every meal...then by all means...refuse. Its your right to even refuse whenever you want. Walk into the backyard and wait for them to be finished with their magical chants that secretly try to convert you.
yeah well with my family it was shut up and do it because it is so. I was never opened up to it, I was raped of any reason or right to have my own thoughts. So why should I? The biggest dick was my dad he would flip out throw books or whatever at my head, hit me in the face, throw me into walls or just swing whatver he had in his hand at me and if anyone thinks I'm in the wrong fuck them. So like my Sig says...........
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Re: Christians....... [Re: aDoS]
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aDoS said: Really dude...its just a pointless thing that last less then 30 seconds...I think you are just trying to be rebellious...but if thats what you want to do thats cool. I just think its ridiculous to refuse to do something as small as that...your just no better then they are by doing that.
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I think satanism is ridiculous. But I agree with you. It is a big deal. Participating in things like that is essentially endorsement of the greater belief structure. A matter of principal. Now how important that is in relation to other issues remains a matter of personal judgment.
I personally wouldn't actively participate in anything of the sort.
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you say you're a satanist, specifically an athiest. meaning you reject any idea/theory of a/multiple gods. I'm just questioning myself why you call yourself a satanist rather than just an athiest.
are you one of those crazy dark, always black clothing, big flashy spikes and chains? in this case i can see you not holding the hands for the prayer to maintain your 'image.'
but, in my opinion (aka i'm not insulting you just proposing an idea), if you're just a regular "non-believer" (i.e. no 'image' to maintain) there should be no problem in humouring her for her own desired 'security' beliefs. it wouldn't be an insult to your own 'god' because you don't have one to worry about insulting.
i myself am agnostic and know no christian prayers or hymns or any of that jazz. but i do stand in a church when they are recited and show respect for others peoples religions and beliefs when i'm with them. when i'm with a jewish friend during holiday, i go along with their beliefs knowing it will not have an effect on me but also knowing that my friends appreciate it.
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if its that big of a deal dont eat their food.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: eeso]
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I personally wouldn't actively participate in anything of the sort.
What is it that you find ridiculous about satanism?, Just curious not looking for a dick head response just a rational one please..
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saying prayers before you eat is pretty damn meaningless, even for the poeople that believe in it. Just before i ate thanksgiving dinner today, everyone said grace, "thank you jesus for these gifts blah blah blah etc..." I laughed so hard on the inside.
It was so hollow and in vane. There was absolutely no meaning. Just a monotonous and worthless things that they trained themselves to do.
I don't know if this is just my family, but I find it extremely funny.
But i still folded my hands. I keep my beliefs to myself more or less, and i don't think It's that important to outwardly project anything. Hostile, rebellious, or even positive in some cases.
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Why is it a problem that he just sit there quietly? Is that not respect enough for their beliefs?
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Re: Christians....... [Re: eeso]
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satanism is extremely misunderstood, and it has many forms. saying all satanism is ridiculous is like saying fire is can only be used for destruction. It's extremely one sided.
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Toddo said: no...not at all. I just thought I would type that out.
I'm not a Christian but I'm not going to be a dick about it and refuse to hold someones hand because I don't believe in jesus. Who cares.. its a meaningless ritual to me, but very meaningful to some in my family...I'm willing to deal with the 10 seconds of thanks. (but I do have a pretty badass family) Now..if you want to get all technical and your family is a house hold of zealots that make 5 minute prayers every meal...then by all means...refuse. Its your right to even refuse whenever you want. Walk into the backyard and wait for them to be finished with their magical chants that secretly try to convert you.
yeah well with my family it was shut up and do it because it is so. I was never opened up to it, I was raped of any reason or right to have my own thoughts. So why should I? The biggest dick was my dad he would flip out throw books or whatever at my head, hit me in the face, throw me into walls or just swing whatver he had in his hand at me and if anyone thinks I'm in the wrong fuck them. So like my Sig says...........
dude, I hear you on that. I had to deal with the zealot years myself, and I know what that kind of abuse can do. Just don't let it fuck with you to much. I know it's easy to pin the bullshit you had to go through on anyone who believes in the same thing. The best way to deal with crazy assholes is to just get the fuck out and start living on your own. (and don't bring the bitterness with you.)
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Re: Christians....... [Re: igwna]
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UnholyChild666 said: So both mt parents are extremely religious, they are now divorced. They didn't get one till after i moved out a few years ago. I however am a satanist, and when I say satanist I mean The Church of Satan, (not The First Church of Satan). Well this afternoon I went to my moms and she had her boyfriend over for the whole turkey deal. So we go to sit down to eat, now I know she ALWAYS prays before she eats and she knows I don't believe in god, so she gets ready to pray they go to hold hands with everyone there(my mom, her b.f. and my brother) for whatever reason she goes for my hand like I'm actually going to participate just because her boyfriend is there or something. I just hate when people like that would expect you to go to church or take part in prayer with other people even though it's not my beliefs, but they think I should do this out of respect. That is so disrespectful to try and get someone to do something like that knowing full well it's not their beliefs. They wouldn't bow down in a Buddhist temple out of respect because of their belief in one god, why should they expect an atheist to do the same? I personally think it's their sly ass way of trying to force it down peoples throats.
you say you're a satanist, specifically an athiest. meaning you reject any idea/theory of a/multiple gods. I'm just questioning myself why you call yourself a satanist rather than just an athiest.
are you one of those crazy dark, always black clothing, big flashy spikes and chains? in this case i can see you not holding the hands for the prayer to maintain your 'image.'
but, in my opinion (aka i'm not insulting you just proposing an idea), if you're just a regular "non-believer" (i.e. no 'image' to maintain) there should be no problem in humouring her for her own desired 'security' beliefs. it wouldn't be an insult to your own 'god' because you don't have one to worry about insulting.
i myself am agnostic and know no christian prayers or hymns or any of that jazz. but i do stand in a church when they are recited and show respect for others peoples religions and beliefs when i'm with them. when i'm with a jewish friend during holiday, i go along with their beliefs knowing it will not have an effect on me but also knowing that my friends appreciate it.
I'll just let this video explain it, and no I'm not into fashion. I do wear a lot of metal shirts, but those are concert t-shirts, thats my life right there, not fashion.
oops heres the video.............
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UnholyChild666 said: What is it that you find ridiculous about satanism?, Just curious not looking for a dick head response just a rational one please..
If you believe in Satan you MUST believe in God since the first reference to Satan is in religious writings (most of which are in the bible). The simple fact you dont believe in God but believe in an Angel God cast from heaven doesnt make any sense.
I for one dont believe in either as defined by religious writings, but at least I am consistent.
Hold her hand next time. She is your mom and she has her beliefs. If you dont believe the bullshit she and your dad believe, then dont believe it. Holding hands while they recite a prayer doesnt mean you are suddenly a believer. It means you love your parents enough to respect their beliefs. If you arent willing to do that then dont go eat their God food next time.
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UnholyChild666 said: So both mt parents are extremely religious, they are now divorced. They didn't get one till after i moved out a few years ago. I however am a satanist, and when I say satanist I mean The Church of Satan, (not The First Church of Satan). Well this afternoon I went to my moms and she had her boyfriend over for the whole turkey deal. So we go to sit down to eat, now I know she ALWAYS prays before she eats and she knows I don't believe in god, so she gets ready to pray they go to hold hands with everyone there(my mom, her b.f. and my brother) for whatever reason she goes for my hand like I'm actually going to participate just because her boyfriend is there or something. I just hate when people like that would expect you to go to church or take part in prayer with other people even though it's not my beliefs, but they think I should do this out of respect. That is so disrespectful to try and get someone to do something like that knowing full well it's not their beliefs. They wouldn't bow down in a Buddhist temple out of respect because of their belief in one god, why should they expect an atheist to do the same? I personally think it's their sly ass way of trying to force it down peoples throats.
you say you're a satanist, specifically an athiest. meaning you reject any idea/theory of a/multiple gods. I'm just questioning myself why you call yourself a satanist rather than just an athiest.
are you one of those crazy dark, always black clothing, big flashy spikes and chains? in this case i can see you not holding the hands for the prayer to maintain your 'image.'
but, in my opinion (aka i'm not insulting you just proposing an idea), if you're just a regular "non-believer" (i.e. no 'image' to maintain) there should be no problem in humouring her for her own desired 'security' beliefs. it wouldn't be an insult to your own 'god' because you don't have one to worry about insulting.
i myself am agnostic and know no christian prayers or hymns or any of that jazz. but i do stand in a church when they are recited and show respect for others peoples religions and beliefs when i'm with them. when i'm with a jewish friend during holiday, i go along with their beliefs knowing it will not have an effect on me but also knowing that my friends appreciate it.
I'll just let this video explain it, and no I'm not into fashion. I do wear a lot of metal shirts, but those are concert t-shirts, thats my life right there, not fashion.
i was really interested for your reply. i see a lot of your posts here and i enjoy what you have to say. just trying to expand my view on things through learning other's beliefs.
and i'm sorry to say i see no video 
edit: Oh theres the video haha
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Re: Christians....... [Re: AaronEvil]
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UnholyChild666 said: What is it that you find ridiculous about satanism?, Just curious not looking for a dick head response just a rational one please..
If you believe in Satan you MUST believe in God since the first reference to Satan is in religious writings (most of which are in the bible). The simple fact you dont believe in God but believe in an Angel God cast from heaven doesnt make any sense.
I for one dont believe in either as defined by religious writings, but at least I am consistent.
Hold her hand next time. She is your mom and she has her beliefs. If you dont believe the bullshit she and your dad believe, then dont believe it. Holding hands while they recite a prayer doesnt mean you are suddenly a believer. It means you love your parents enough to respect their beliefs. If you arent willing to do that then dont go eat their God food next time.
I don't believe in satan or god, please don't post anymore on something you know nothing about.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: igwna]
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UnholyChild666 said: So both mt parents are extremely religious, they are now divorced. They didn't get one till after i moved out a few years ago. I however am a satanist, and when I say satanist I mean The Church of Satan, (not The First Church of Satan). Well this afternoon I went to my moms and she had her boyfriend over for the whole turkey deal. So we go to sit down to eat, now I know she ALWAYS prays before she eats and she knows I don't believe in god, so she gets ready to pray they go to hold hands with everyone there(my mom, her b.f. and my brother) for whatever reason she goes for my hand like I'm actually going to participate just because her boyfriend is there or something. I just hate when people like that would expect you to go to church or take part in prayer with other people even though it's not my beliefs, but they think I should do this out of respect. That is so disrespectful to try and get someone to do something like that knowing full well it's not their beliefs. They wouldn't bow down in a Buddhist temple out of respect because of their belief in one god, why should they expect an atheist to do the same? I personally think it's their sly ass way of trying to force it down peoples throats.
you say you're a satanist, specifically an athiest. meaning you reject any idea/theory of a/multiple gods. I'm just questioning myself why you call yourself a satanist rather than just an athiest.
are you one of those crazy dark, always black clothing, big flashy spikes and chains? in this case i can see you not holding the hands for the prayer to maintain your 'image.'
but, in my opinion (aka i'm not insulting you just proposing an idea), if you're just a regular "non-believer" (i.e. no 'image' to maintain) there should be no problem in humouring her for her own desired 'security' beliefs. it wouldn't be an insult to your own 'god' because you don't have one to worry about insulting.
i myself am agnostic and know no christian prayers or hymns or any of that jazz. but i do stand in a church when they are recited and show respect for others peoples religions and beliefs when i'm with them. when i'm with a jewish friend during holiday, i go along with their beliefs knowing it will not have an effect on me but also knowing that my friends appreciate it.
I'll just let this video explain it, and no I'm not into fashion. I do wear a lot of metal shirts, but those are concert t-shirts, thats my life right there, not fashion.
i was really interested for your reply. i see a lot of your posts here and i enjoy what you have to say. just trying to expand my view on things through learning other's beliefs.
and i'm sorry to say i see no video 
edit: Oh theres the video haha
I know I forgot to put in the first time it's there now
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Re: Christians....... [Re: AaronEvil]
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UnholyChild666 said: What is it that you find ridiculous about satanism?, Just curious not looking for a dick head response just a rational one please..
If you believe in Satan you MUST believe in God since the first reference to Satan is in religious writings (most of which are in the bible). The simple fact you dont believe in God but believe in an Angel God cast from heaven doesnt make any sense.
I for one dont believe in either as defined by religious writings, but at least I am consistent.
Hold her hand next time. She is your mom and she has her beliefs. If you dont believe the bullshit she and your dad believe, then dont believe it. Holding hands while they recite a prayer doesnt mean you are suddenly a believer. It means you love your parents enough to respect their beliefs. If you arent willing to do that then dont go eat their God food next time.
Nah, not all satanist believe in god. The CoS adherents are atheist.
I don't understand why people have a problem with abstaining in participating in something out of principal. He's not preventing them from petitioning their skygod myth guy.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: Toddo]
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Dont call yourself a satanist if you dont believe in satan. At least be consistent and say athiest. The term Satan is a biblical and religious term. If you call yourself a Satanist you automatically acknowledge his existance.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: AaronEvil]
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Satanism rarely has anything to do with satan. Calling something jumbo-shrimp doesnt make any sense either, but you don't go around criticizing the sea-food industry.
Be open to things man.
Edit: I'm not comparing the satanist name and beliefs to the name of jumbo-shrimp. Just an example. Also not saying the name satanism makes no sense. My post came out wrong.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: AaronEvil]
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AaronEvil said: Dont call yourself a satanist if you dont believe in satan. At least be consistent and say athiest. The term Satan is a biblical and religious term. If you call yourself a Satanist you automatically acknowledge his existance.
once again please quit posting shit when you know nothing.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: Drewwyann]
#7668719 - 11/22/07 11:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Being Christian, I like to thank God that I have food to eat. Of course, I often went hungry growing up, and that memory is still etched in my heart, so I am actually appreciative of the food I'm about to eat. I don't believe that the food morphs or I get more out of it because I invoke the name of God.
Although I think it is cool to appreciate the fact that I'm eating while others are not, if you feel as if you're getting beliefs pushed on you by them asking you to hold hands, then you need to get out of there man.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: Drewwyann]
#7668720 - 11/22/07 11:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Drewwyann said: psaying all satanism is ridiculous is like saying fire is can only be used for destruction. It's extremely one sided.
No that's a horrible analogy.
Fire's uses is an objective topic.
Satanism being ridiculous is my subjective personal opinion. I'm not claiming any factual arguments regarding it.
I'm also not saying he should change his beliefs. Anyone can believe anything he likes as long as it doesn't directly affect me.
In addition, my adding that comment to my original post wasn't meant to be such a big point and I really don't wish to discuss the merits of 'satanism'. I was just trying to distinguish from which direction my argument came from.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: aDoS]
#7668724 - 11/22/07 11:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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wtf...this isn't about fucking satanism...and I actually agree with the original poster that most of you guys are being ignorant as hell. I don't think we need to clarify what this guy believes in. (pretty sure he already knows...) Lets stay on topic or this is just going to go strait down the fucking drain.
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UnholyChild666 said: So both mt parents are extremely religious, they are now divorced. They didn't get one till after i moved out a few years ago. I however am a satanist, and when I say satanist I mean The Church of Satan, (not The First Church of Satan). Well this afternoon I went to my moms and she had her boyfriend over for the whole turkey deal. So we go to sit down to eat, now I know she ALWAYS prays before she eats and she knows I don't believe in god, so she gets ready to pray they go to hold hands with everyone there(my mom, her b.f. and my brother) for whatever reason she goes for my hand like I'm actually going to participate just because her boyfriend is there or something. I just hate when people like that would expect you to go to church or take part in prayer with other people even though it's not my beliefs, but they think I should do this out of respect. That is so disrespectful to try and get someone to do something like that knowing full well it's not their beliefs. They wouldn't bow down in a Buddhist temple out of respect because of their belief in one god, why should they expect an atheist to do the same? I personally think it's their sly ass way of trying to force it down peoples throats.
you say you're a satanist, specifically an athiest. meaning you reject any idea/theory of a/multiple gods. I'm just questioning myself why you call yourself a satanist rather than just an athiest.
are you one of those crazy dark, always black clothing, big flashy spikes and chains? in this case i can see you not holding the hands for the prayer to maintain your 'image.'
but, in my opinion (aka i'm not insulting you just proposing an idea), if you're just a regular "non-believer" (i.e. no 'image' to maintain) there should be no problem in humouring her for her own desired 'security' beliefs. it wouldn't be an insult to your own 'god' because you don't have one to worry about insulting.
i myself am agnostic and know no christian prayers or hymns or any of that jazz. but i do stand in a church when they are recited and show respect for others peoples religions and beliefs when i'm with them. when i'm with a jewish friend during holiday, i go along with their beliefs knowing it will not have an effect on me but also knowing that my friends appreciate it.
I'll just let this video explain it, and no I'm not into fashion. I do wear a lot of metal shirts, but those are concert t-shirts, thats my life right there, not fashion.
i was really interested for your reply. i see a lot of your posts here and i enjoy what you have to say. just trying to expand my view on things through learning other's beliefs.
and i'm sorry to say i see no video 
edit: Oh theres the video haha
I know I forgot to put in the first time it's there now
Well, i watch a lot of that video. Very interesting. I suppose I understand, however in not believing the same as you I myself, PERSONALLY would have no problem humouring my mother for a prayer. but i respect you for your beliefs.
as Voltaire once said, I dissaprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
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a satanist could be a varity of things. its accepted now to call yourself a satanist for quite a few different things. atheism is one of them.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: eeso]
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You have the right to believe things are ridiculous. But i mean there are good and bad, and multiple variations of every religion/belief. Saying all of it is ridiculous is ridiculous. I just find that narrow-minded.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: Toddo]
#7668740 - 11/23/07 12:04 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Toddo said: wtf...this isn't about fucking satanism...and I actually agree with the original poster that most of you guys are being ignorant as hell. I don't think we need to clarify what this guy believes in. (pretty sure he already knows...) Lets stay on topic or this is just going to go strait down the fucking drain.
I kinda knew that was going to happen when I said I was a satanist, but it was relevant I don't mind I just hate when people try to say IT IS THIS WAY, instead of giving their opinion, it would be different if they had studied the topic and had misunderstood, but thats not the case here.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: igwna]
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Well, i watch a lot of that video. Very interesting. I suppose I understand, however in not believing the same as you I myself, PERSONALLY would have no problem humouring my mother for a prayer. but i respect you for your beliefs.
as Voltaire once said, I dissaprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
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AaronEvil said: Dont call yourself a satanist if you dont believe in satan. At least be consistent and say athiest. The term Satan is a biblical and religious term. If you call yourself a Satanist you automatically acknowledge his existance.
once again please quit posting shit when you know nothing.
Im starting to think you dont know what you believe. The official Church of Satan website states:
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Welcome to the official website of the Church of Satan. Founded on April 30, 1966 c.e. by Anton Szandor LaVey, we are the first above-ground organization in history openly dedicated to the acceptance of Man’s true nature—that of a carnal beast, living in a cosmos which is permeated and motivated by the Dark Force which we call Satan. Over the course of time, Man has called this Force by many names, and it has been reviled by those whose very nature causes them to be separate from this fountainhead of existence. They live in obsessive envy of we who exist by flowing naturally with the dread Prince of Darkness. It is for this reason that individuals who resonate with Satan have always been an alien elite, often outsiders in cultures whose masses pursue solace in an external deity. We Satanists are our own Gods, and we are the explorers of the Left-Hand Path. We do not bow down before the myths and fictions of the desiccated spiritual followers of the Right-Hand Path.
Is that not referencing the biblical Satan? You can only claim its hebrew and latin roots for so long in a discussion. Eventually (when you reference "Prince of Darkness") you are referring to the biblical Satan. The fallen angel.
Im not saying your beliefs are wrong (though the website seems to prove otherwise), but you cant bash your parents for their own.
I think you and your parents are both crazy for believing what you believe, but I would at least pray with them or... do whatever it is you do so long as I dont find it inhumane.
For the record I havent seen anything on the website to suggest inhumane behavior (though the Nine Satanic Statements could be misunderstood to imply harm to people)
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I guess my question is, are the pushing it on you, or just kinda asking you to join in? You have to know that most Christians are compelled by fear due to false teachings of hell and so yeah, she's probably all worried about your soul, but if all they want is for you to hold hands and bow your head in order to get a grip of grub.... That;'s when you have to decide which battles you want to take on in life and when to fight them.
Personally, if one of my four children grew up to not share my Christian beliefs, I would still be very thankful to have them at the table with us, and would only ask that they don't challenge our beliefs in our home (as I would not do in theirs or while they were a guest) Yet, I can't see the harm in you not praying with them.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: Drewwyann]
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Drewwyann said: You have the right to believe things are ridiculous. But i mean there are good and bad, and multiple variations of every religion/belief. Saying all of it is ridiculous is ridiculous. I just find that narrow-minded.
A belief is not necessarily either good or bad. It doesn't have to have a 'value' applied to it. I never said it was 'bad' to be a satanist, nor did I ever claim that the perception I have of 'satanism' as ridiculous was a bad thing. It's just a 'thing'. You are the one attaching an emotional value to my judgment.
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whattheheck said: I guess my question is, are the pushing it on you, or just kinda asking you to join in? You have to know that most Christians are compelled by fear due to false teachings of hell and so yeah, she's probably all worried about your soul, but if all they want is for you to hold hands and bow your head in order to get a grip of grub.... That;'s when you have to decide which battles you want to take on in life and when to fight them.
Personally, if one of my four children grew up to not share my Christian beliefs, I would still be very thankful to have them at the table with us, and would only ask that they don't challenge our beliefs in our home (as I would not do in theirs or while they were a guest) Yet, I can't see the harm in you not praying with them.
Man religion sucks for almost 99.9% of the part
nope it's expected out of me, they seem to think I'm disrespecting them somehow if I don't, when all 'm doing is sitting back and letting them do their own thing
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Re: Christians....... [Re: igwna]
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She's your mum, hold her hand. And if you want to sacrifice a virgin when you get home you're welcome to.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: eeso]
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Unholy, I know what you're going through with that crap. My parents don't pull it anymore.
I don't see how you guys are being so harsh on him...They're asking him to participate in a religious ritual he doesn't feel comfortable participating in, and they know it makes him uncomfortable!
Principles are important.
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i wasn't being harsh!
most of these people don't know what satanism really is and need to be set straight... maybe doing some research before assuming would be a good idea...
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Ok, I just saw that video and I will tell you this... the video is a lot better than the website. Satan as a symbol doesnt make sense to me since in a religious form since you as a group do not believe in Satan. It also makes no sense since the video makes it clear you dont want to be associate with the negative publicity of Satan, yet there was a gathering on 6/6/06 (I am assuming that was the date).
My question to you now is this... why Satanism? Why associate yourself with a religion when everyhing they "believe" you can do without any religious belief? If you respect your parents religion (as stated in the video) why be so rude to your parents? Of course they WANT you to be christian or catholic or whatever, they want you to go to heaven. They want to save you. But holding hands and them forcing you to believe are two different things.
After all... its a damn turkey not the flesh of Christ.
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circularvortex said: Unholy, I know what you're going through with that crap. My parents don't pull it anymore.
I don't see how you guys are being so harsh on him...They're asking him to participate in a religious ritual he doesn't feel comfortable participating in, and they know it makes him uncomfortable!
Principles are important.
it's like having sex with someone you don't want to it feels very awkward inside. and I'm not trying to be funny when I make that comparison, it's about the same feeling. But it makes me most mad when I'm singled out in front of every one.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: AaronEvil]
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Holding hands is participating in their religious ritual.
Would you hold hands at an animal sacrifice to the heathen gods of olde?
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No, but its because I wouldnt be there to begin with.
Holding the hand is a supportive thing. It doesnt make the prayer stronger if hands are held... and unless they forced him to contribute verbally to the prayer, he wasnt participating.
I just dont understand why it makes him uncomfortable. He doesnt believe in any of that to begin with. He doesnt believe in God or prayers working, therefore, it should not hurt him. It should be no different than me saying "I wish for a bicycle" when a shooting star goes by. Does that bother Satanists as well?
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Re: Christians....... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7668829 - 11/23/07 12:37 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well I can tell you that I'm not a satanist (no disrespect, of course), but I get offended when Christians just expect me to participate in their rituals.
I don't see how you don't see where it gets offensive...you wishing on a star requires nothing of anybody else.
Let's say their positions were swapped, his Mom was eating at his house. Let's say he had some Satanic ritual he liked to perform before a meal. Would it be right of him to expect his mother to participate? Would it be right of him to encourage her to participate after knowing she was uncomfortable with it?
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circularvortex said: Well I can tell you that I'm not a satanist (no disrespect, of course), but I get offended when Christians just expect me to participate in their rituals.
I don't see how you don't see where it gets offensive...you wishing on a star requires nothing of anybody else.
Let's say their positions were swapped, his Mom was eating at his house. Let's say he had some Satanic ritual he liked to perform before a meal. Would it be right of him to expect his mother to participate? Would it be right of him to encourage her to participate after knowing she was uncomfortable with it?
thats my point exactly it would totally go against their beliefs and disturb them extremely, and in all reality if there was a ritual that preformed I know my family would get mad at me for doing even in my own house.
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Ok, its like me asking him to hold my hand while I wish on a star. Not offensive.
For the situation being reversed, I would have to know the "ritual" you are talking about. I think holding a hand while a prayer is said is different than asking his mom to kill a goat (Im not saying that satanists do that but I need a relevent ritual)
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Re: Christians....... [Re: AaronEvil]
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*sigh*
I give up. Not worth the time...
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I give up. Not worth the time...
yeah i blocked Aaron dumb ass a while ago he knows nothing.......... so whatever he has been posting I know is a waste fuck him.
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You say you're an atheist and a satanist, and according to me, these are two very different things. IMO a satanist is someone who rejects god/Jesus as their savior and place Satan as their god, while an atheist is someone who doesnt believe in the existence of an afterlife. Personally, I am an atheist (too?).
Either way I can see why you were offended. Its hard to submit your beliefs to respect someone else's. You can do that, but if you really don't want to tell them 'no' and if they ask you why, tell them. They'll be so hungry by the time your finished they'll forget to say grace themselves.
Its crazy, my family is strongly religious but there not zealots. I have two cousins that went to a monastery to study theism. One of them dropped out and is now working with my uncle, his dad (its where I work too). The other is still there, its pretty cool cause they get to travel a lot. None of them preach at all, I've heard more curse words come out of his mouth than anything preachy, and hes an asshole to everyone, it hilarious. With all of this in mind I was at Thanksgiving dinner tonight and grace was not said. I didn't realize it until I read this thread, but they didn't say grace. I think that's crazy cause I remember saying grace when I was younger but no more after all this theological training.
But anyways my advice is to either:
- Completely refuse
- refuse but except after a little pestering
- don't refuse
So basically, I don't give a shit. Thanks for reading.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: Idiot]
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Idiot said: You say you're an atheist and a satanist, and according to me, these are two very different things. IMO a satanist is someone who rejects god/Jesus as their savior and place Satan as their god, while an atheist is someone who doesnt believe in the existence of an afterlife. Personally, I am an atheist (too?).
Either way I can see why you were offended. Its hard to submit your beliefs to respect someone else's. You can do that, but if you really don't want to tell them 'no' and if they ask you why, tell them. They'll be so hungry by the time your finished they'll forget to say grace themselves.
Its crazy, my family is strongly religious but there not zealots. I have two cousins that went to a monastery to study theism. One of them dropped out and is now working with my uncle, his dad (its where I work too). The other is still there, its pretty cool cause they get to travel a lot. None of them preach at all, I've heard more curse words come out of his mouth than anything preachy, and hes an asshole to everyone, it hilarious. With all of this in mind I was at Thanksgiving dinner tonight and grace was not said. I didn't realize it until I read this thread, but they didn't say grace. I think that's crazy cause I remember saying grace when I was younger but no more after all this theological training.
But anyways my advice is to either:
- Completely refuse
- refuse but except after a little pestering
- don't refuse
So basically, I don't give a shit. Thanks for reading.
well saying you believe in god means nothing at all seeing as how "god" means so many different things to so many people. God is a name just like Satan use it as it suits you best.
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So you're going to claim to worship the evil lord of a faith you don't believe in? If you don't believe in the religion then why even acknowledge that the religion you don't believe in has an evil lord.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: Idiot]
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shoulda just pulled out a fetus, cracked it in half and sucked its entrails out whilst they were praying, that woulda showed them.
But really, I have to say... whats the big deal? I know you are comparing it to some extremes, but come on... its just a prayer, just grin and bear it - is it really that bad?
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Dude, what are you afraid of? And about the prayer thing... i know what you mean, i went through the motions for years in catholic school. It's a good thing my parents are not catholic/religious or I might be a little more jaded about the whole thing. Just find some way to throw your own spin on it. Bart Simpson used "Rub-a-dub-dub, thanks for the grub"... nah' wha' I mean?
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Re: Christians....... [Re: Middleman]
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not bothering to read through all this gayness i have to say i'm pretty much familiar with CoS and satanism and NO, satanists don't believe that satan or god is an actual deity in a physical form underground/on a cloud. satan is a metaphor, so is baphomet.
i think this whole thread is worthless. if you feel you are a satanist then you should maybe read Gilmore's "Satanic Scriptures". everyone has their own viewpoints, so what? why defend yours if you are convinced you are right and other people are dumb as shit. let them be dumb, it doesn't really matter. this whole thread reeks of ridiculous accusations, like a schoolyard turd fight.
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I tend to agree.
I don't know your actual situation, but your initial post, and subsequent follow ups/responses, make your family out to be abusive - their religious beliefs are not really the issue here -
Any therapist worth his salt will tell you to divorce yourself from an abusive relationship/relative. meaning no contact at all, otherwise the healing cannot begin. And it sounds like you have a lot of unresolved issues (and i cant blame you , sounds like you went through hell- pardon the pun)
I cant imagine you wanting to eat dinner with a person who threw books at you and debased you for long periods of time. And the rest of the family that allowed it to go on.
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I think I'm beginning to understand why this is even an issue.
I'd slit a baby's throat for my family, holding hands at dinner in violation of my personal beliefs is not something that even crosses my mind. My loyalty is much more important than my religion.
You're obviously not that close to your family. (And should probably be even less close, for your own mental health)
By the way, I feel like a true believer (in any creed) wouldn't just say "Don't talk about what you don't know" to people, he'd explain the issue.
Hostility doesn't fix anything.
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Although I've come closer to Christianity in my beliefs lately, I've had points in my life where I was Buddhist, Taoist, Wiccan, etc., but I still went with my family to the Christmas eve church service. I may not have agreed with all that they said in the service, but I went there because I love my family. Frankly, I find it hard to feel sorry for you for having to hold your mother's hand.
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You sound like a selfish asshole.
Think about it, if you comply and take part in the ghey prayers then your own ego is damaged. If you don't, then you hurt multiple people's spiritual beliefs (that is, their entire take on life as we know it), you're an asshole to your mum who cooked your food which you happily tuck into knowing you're better than the fools around you.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: sam420]
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Also can I just ask why the fuck Satanists call themselves Satanists, isn't that just stirring up shit? Yes I have read a lot of Satanist stuff and I agree with a lot of it including 'thinking for yourself' but feeling like you have to categorise yourself into a religious, non-religious context is pure irony.
So why adopt the name of Satan? Is it just to piss off Christians? I have never understood the evil-but-nice undertones of Satanism and to me it reeks of self-importance and fantasy-world gothic symbolism, with little substance beyond common-sense and heaps of teenage angst.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: sam420]
#7670113 - 11/23/07 11:49 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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sam420 said: Also can I just ask why the fuck Satanists call themselves Satanists, isn't that just stirring up shit? Yes I have read a lot of Satanist stuff and I agree with a lot of it including 'thinking for yourself' but feeling like you have to categorise yourself into a religious, non-religious context is pure irony.
So why adopt the name of Satan? Is it just to piss off Christians? I have never understood the evil-but-nice undertones of Satanism and to me it reeks of self-importance and fantasy-world gothic symbolism, with little substance beyond common-sense and heaps of teenage angst.
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That CoS video made perfect sense to me. In fact I have never really heard a "religious" leader making so much sense before. Maybe because this is really just atheism in cloak, and does not rely on that magical word... FAITH.
I am the only one in my family (even extended) who is not Christian so I can totally empathize. But it sounds like the issues with your family go beyond religion. I think religion is just a touchstone. I can't believe that only a couple people in this whole thread even acknowledged the (physical and mental) abuse that you described earlier when taking the situation into account. I think most people on this board don't even read posts all the way through (if they are more than a paragraph), and often don't read followup posts before replying.
Ultimately what is "right" or "wrong" is irrelevant, as you should know from your CoS beliefs... ultimately there is no such thing. There is only what IS and what WILL BE. You can't control what IS but you control what WILL BE with your actions and responses to your family. If you hold hands, you get one response. If you don't, you get another. If you cry and throw a fit, you get a third, etc.
You know your family well enough to predict their reactions. Therefore what happens is in your hands.
Dealing with nutty people sucks hardcore. But ultimately they are your family, and whether going through the rituals is worth the benefit or not is your decision and yours only. Just keep in mind what the consequences will be.
There is no perfect answer.
Dealing with shit like this SUCKS, I know. Just hang in there man, you aren't the only one dealing with religious friction. It is the oldest story in the world....
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circularvortex said: *sigh*
I give up. Not worth the time...
yeah i blocked Aaron dumb ass a while ago he knows nothing.......... so whatever he has been posting I know is a waste fuck him.
Grow up and learn to have a conversation without acting like a three year old in the middle of a temper tantrum.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: aDoS]
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It's thanksgiving man. wtf is your problem? Pray to your satan god while holding their hands and praying? but for the love of whatever you love, respect your family and hold their hands. Seriously if you were my son, i'd throw your ass out the in the street for that sort of shit.
You talk about respect like they should respect you while your being sheltered and all that other good shit. And what do you give back but a rebellious kid that is so far differnt then they are, not to mention shameful to them.
Quit being a selfish fuck, it's thanksgiving. Go buy your own turkey next time.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: cube talk]
#7670658 - 11/23/07 01:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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This topic always goes downhill...
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Re: Christians....... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7670686 - 11/23/07 01:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would have refused to do it also, fuck chrisianity.. ridiculous, irrational, people if you ask me.
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cube talk said: It's thanksgiving man. wtf is your problem? Pray to your satan god while holding their hands and praying? but for the love of whatever you love, respect your family and hold their hands. Seriously if you were my son, i'd throw your ass out the in the street for that sort of shit.
You talk about respect like they should respect you while your being sheltered and all that other good shit. And what do you give back but a rebellious kid that is so far differnt then they are, not to mention shameful to them.
Quit being a selfish fuck, it's thanksgiving. Go buy your own turkey next time.
Who cares what holiday it is, thanksgiving is also MEANINGLESS like every other holiday there is. His mom KNOWS he doesn't believe that shit, but she tried to coerce him into praying just because her boyfriend was there. It doesn't get much more disrespectful than that. All of the people that posted saying he should have just sucked it up are ignorant as hell.
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sam420 said: Also can I just ask why the fuck Satanists call themselves Satanists, isn't that just stirring up shit? Yes I have read a lot of Satanist stuff and I agree with a lot of it including 'thinking for yourself' but feeling like you have to categorise yourself into a religious, non-religious context is pure irony.
So why adopt the name of Satan? Is it just to piss off Christians? I have never understood the evil-but-nice undertones of Satanism and to me it reeks of self-importance and fantasy-world gothic symbolism, with little substance beyond common-sense and heaps of teenage angst.
This is the most ironic post I have ever read.
Religious people are insane, they just don't realize it.
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sam420 said: You sound like a selfish asshole.
Think about it, if you comply and take part in the ghey prayers then your own ego is damaged. If you don't, then you hurt multiple people's spiritual beliefs (that is, their entire take on life as we know it), you're an asshole to your mum who cooked your food which you happily tuck into knowing you're better than the fools around you.
Fuck off
You sound like a fool.
Edited by Caribou_Lou (11/23/07 01:59 PM)
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Atheist
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how is Thanksgiving meaningless???
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Re: Christians....... [Re: Atheist]
#7670720 - 11/23/07 02:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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All holidays are pointless, a better question would be how is it not? You basically just do it because everyone else does, think about it. Nobody really is "thankful" for their food that's a crock of bullshit. It's just an excuse for fat fucks to stuff their faces.
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you're an idiot.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: Atheist]
#7670724 - 11/23/07 02:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fuck yourself pussy. Answer my question.
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Atheist
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oh and just because YOU are not thankful for shit, doesnt mean that everyone else isnt either
i agree many holidays are pointless (XMas, Kwanzaa, etc.)
but Thanksgiving actually happened and its based on history (which is real) and not religion (which is fake)
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here is the meaning of thanksgiving:
1 being thankful for life 2 being with family 3 getting drunk 4 football 5 eating good ass food
there, i answered your question.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: Atheist]
#7670739 - 11/23/07 02:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah before we murdered all of the native americans to take their land. The whole concept is just stupid, it's stupid that we still celebrate it.. there is no real purpose.
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UnholyChild666 said: I personally think it's their sly ass way of trying to force it down peoples throats.
It is. Look up "passive aggression" in an old DSM (III) manual. They don't want to admit they're forcing it on you but they are.
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yes, there is no purpose to eating food and being with family
i said before, you are an idiot.
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oh and to the OP
dude hold your parents fuckin hand to make them happy, if you'r a satanist or whatever the fuck who cares
you know that what they are doing is totally fake so why does it matter to you?
just hold the hands and deal with it so you dont look like such a prick
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Thanksgiving is meaningful to me b/c it's one of the few days every year where all of my family members have work off, so I get to see everyone I care for.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: Redstorm]
#7670767 - 11/23/07 02:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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exactly.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: Atheist]
#7670788 - 11/23/07 02:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's cute, but it still doesn't have a real meaning. I guess I'm just against senselessly conforming because it's what you have been told, that doesn't mean I don't celebrate thanksgiving I just don't see a real purpose for it. I guess that makes me an idiot, and you a fuckin' genius.
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It's not about senselessly conforming, it's about having the chance to see my family. It's just coincidental that the day I'm able to do this is Thanksgiving, but because it is, I'm going to celebrate it.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: Redstorm]
#7670810 - 11/23/07 02:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i think we should all take on the native american/indian belief system and be done with it 
and live in houses made of sticks and smoke peace pipes all day.
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in response to the OP. you are right it is retarded for you to have to hold their hand, and there is obviously no reason you SHOULD. that being said i know if i was in that situation I would pray with them. its a silly little thing to you, but it would mean a lot to your family, it doesnt hurt to play along once in a while .
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Re: Christians....... [Re: Redstorm]
#7670819 - 11/23/07 02:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: Thanksgiving is meaningful to me b/c it's one of the few days every year where all of my family members have work off, so I get to see everyone I care for.
Ding! Ding! Ding!
Family has more "meaning" to me then I'll ever fully understand. I love when everyone can get onto the same collective wavelength and be together. I love watching people in traffic, in the market, etc. all with one thing in mind.
Thanksgiving has the power to set up the context for creating those moments where you go "ahh, this is what life is all about".
But hey, maybe you're family doesn't communicate well it sounds? In that case, maybe there's no magic at your thanksgiving celebrations? Shitty.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: Atheist]
#7670861 - 11/23/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Atheist said: here is the meaning of thanksgiving:
1 being thankful for life 2 being with family 3 getting drunk 4 football 5 eating good ass food
there, i answered your question.
Ironically, based of the accuracy of this conclusion, Athiest might be a gift from god;-)
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you wish
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Re: Christians....... [Re: Atheist]
#7671034 - 11/23/07 03:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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haha, this argument is silly. Bottom line, getting pissy about having to hold hands and "pray" with YOUR family while you are about to eat THEIR food is bitchy. Only merit you could argue is if they wanted you to pray. Anyway, retarded thing to bitch about.
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I always find it intersting that people build an argument based on the "anyone who deosn't believe what I believe is insane and they are ignorant" platfoem while they use the same type of attack used by those they don't agree with, AGAINST those whom they don't agree with.
Which basically makes their very exsistance out to be a parody of the very issue, day, religion, whatever, that they disagree with.
Of course I could be wrong, and I need morre wine, but...
This thread has been amusing.
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nope,youre right
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people get fucking butthurt too easily. suck it up OP and don't bring that whiny crap in here. this is your battle, what the hell do you expect any of us to do except some of us agree with you, and some of us disagree with you. it was well apparent that no one was going to change your mind, so what the fuck?
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