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Re: Christians....... [Re: Middleman]
    #7669097 - 11/23/07 02:43 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

not bothering to read through all this gayness i have to say i'm pretty much familiar with CoS and satanism and NO, satanists don't believe that satan or god is an actual deity in a physical form underground/on a cloud. satan is a metaphor, so is baphomet.

i think this whole thread is worthless. if you feel you are a satanist then you should maybe read Gilmore's "Satanic Scriptures". everyone has their own viewpoints, so what? why defend yours if you are convinced you are right and other people are dumb as shit. let them be dumb, it doesn't really matter. this whole thread reeks of ridiculous accusations, like a schoolyard turd fight.


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Re: Christians....... [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7669397 - 11/23/07 07:56 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I tend to agree.

I don't know your actual situation, but your initial post, and subsequent follow ups/responses, make your family out to be abusive - their religious beliefs are not really the issue here -

Any therapist worth his salt will tell you to divorce yourself from an abusive relationship/relative. meaning no contact at all, otherwise the healing cannot begin. And it sounds like you have a lot of unresolved issues (and i cant blame you , sounds like you went through hell- pardon the pun)

I cant imagine you wanting to eat dinner with a person who threw books at you and debased you for long periods of time. And the rest of the family that allowed it to go on.

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Re: Christians....... [Re: Oracle Of Delphi]
    #7669644 - 11/23/07 09:59 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Christians....... [Re: UnholyChild666]
    #7669693 - 11/23/07 10:17 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think I'm beginning to understand why this is even an issue.

I'd slit a baby's throat for my family, holding hands at dinner in violation of my personal beliefs is not something that even crosses my mind. My loyalty is much more important than my religion.

You're obviously not that close to your family. (And should probably be even less close, for your own mental health)


By the way, I feel like a true believer (in any creed) wouldn't just say "Don't talk about what you don't know" to people, he'd explain the issue.

Hostility doesn't fix anything.


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Re: Christians....... [Re: UnholyChild666]
    #7669734 - 11/23/07 10:28 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Although I've come closer to Christianity in my beliefs lately, I've had points in my life where I was Buddhist, Taoist, Wiccan, etc., but I still went with my family to the Christmas eve church service. I may not have agreed with all that they said in the service, but I went there because I love my family. Frankly, I find it hard to feel sorry for you for having to hold your mother's hand.


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Re: Christians....... [Re: UnholyChild666]
    #7670050 - 11/23/07 11:32 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You sound like a selfish asshole.

Think about it, if you comply and take part in the ghey prayers then your own ego is damaged. If you don't, then you hurt multiple people's spiritual beliefs (that is, their entire take on life as we know it), you're an asshole to your mum who cooked your food which you happily tuck into knowing you're better than the fools around you.

Fuck off


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Re: Christians....... [Re: sam420]
    #7670094 - 11/23/07 11:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Also can I just ask why the fuck Satanists call themselves Satanists, isn't that just stirring up shit? Yes I have read a lot of Satanist stuff and I agree with a lot of it including 'thinking for yourself' but feeling like you have to categorise yourself into a religious, non-religious context is pure irony.

So why adopt the name of Satan? Is it just to piss off Christians? I have never understood the evil-but-nice undertones of Satanism and to me it reeks of self-importance and fantasy-world gothic symbolism, with little substance beyond common-sense and heaps of teenage angst.


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Re: Christians....... [Re: sam420]
    #7670113 - 11/23/07 11:49 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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sam420 said:
Also can I just ask why the fuck Satanists call themselves Satanists, isn't that just stirring up shit?  Yes I have read a lot of Satanist stuff and I agree with a lot of it including 'thinking for yourself' but  feeling like you have to categorise yourself into a religious, non-religious context is pure irony.

So why adopt the name of Satan? Is it just to piss off Christians?  I have never understood the evil-but-nice undertones of Satanism and to me it reeks of self-importance and fantasy-world gothic symbolism, with little substance beyond common-sense and heaps of teenage angst.




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Re: Christians....... [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7670295 - 11/23/07 12:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

That CoS video made perfect sense to me.  In fact I have never really heard a "religious" leader making so much sense before.  Maybe because this is really just atheism in cloak, and does not rely on that magical word...  FAITH.

I am the only one in my family (even extended) who is not Christian so I can totally empathize.  But it sounds like the issues with your family go beyond religion.  I think religion is just a touchstone.  I can't believe that only a couple people in this whole thread even acknowledged the (physical and mental) abuse that you described earlier when taking the situation into account.  I think most people on this board don't even read posts all the way through (if they are more than a paragraph), and often don't read followup posts before replying.

Ultimately what is "right" or "wrong" is irrelevant, as you should know from your CoS beliefs... ultimately there is no such thing.  There is only what IS and what WILL BE.  You can't control what IS but you control what WILL BE with your actions and responses to your family.  If you hold hands, you get one response.  If you don't, you get another.  If you cry and throw a fit, you get a third, etc.

You know your family well enough to predict their reactions.  Therefore what happens is in your hands.

Dealing with nutty people sucks hardcore.  But ultimately they are your family, and whether going through the rituals is worth the benefit or not is your decision and yours only.  Just keep in mind what the consequences will be.

There is no perfect answer.  :tripping:

Dealing with shit like this SUCKS, I know.  Just hang in there man, you aren't the only one dealing with religious friction.  It is the oldest story in the world....


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Re: Christians....... [Re: UnholyChild666]
    #7670402 - 11/23/07 12:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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*sigh*

I give up. Not worth the time...




yeah i blocked Aaron dumb ass a while ago he knows nothing.......... so whatever he has been posting I know is a waste fuck him.




Grow up and learn to have a conversation without acting like a three year old in the middle of a temper tantrum.


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Re: Christians....... [Re: aDoS]
    #7670615 - 11/23/07 01:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It's thanksgiving man. wtf is your problem? Pray to your satan god while holding their hands and praying? but for the love of whatever you love, respect your family and hold their hands. Seriously if you were my son, i'd throw your ass out the in the street for that sort of shit.

You talk about respect like they should respect you while your being sheltered and all that other good shit. And what do you give back but a rebellious kid that is so far differnt then they are, not to mention shameful to them.

Quit being a selfish fuck, it's thanksgiving. Go buy your own turkey next time.


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Re: Christians....... [Re: cube talk]
    #7670658 - 11/23/07 01:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

This topic always goes downhill...


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Re: Christians....... [Re: AaronEvil]
    #7670686 - 11/23/07 01:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I would have refused to do it also, fuck chrisianity.. ridiculous, irrational, people if you ask me.

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cube talk said:
It's thanksgiving man. wtf is your problem? Pray to your satan god while holding their hands and praying? but for the love of whatever you love, respect your family and hold their hands. Seriously if you were my son, i'd throw your ass out the in the street for that sort of shit.

You talk about respect like they should respect you while your being sheltered and all that other good shit. And what do you give back but a rebellious kid that is so far differnt then they are, not to mention shameful to them.

Quit being a selfish fuck, it's thanksgiving. Go buy your own turkey next time.




Who cares what holiday it is, thanksgiving is also MEANINGLESS like every other holiday there is. His mom KNOWS he doesn't believe that shit, but she tried to coerce him into praying just because her boyfriend was there. It doesn't get much more disrespectful than that. All of the people that posted saying he should have just sucked it up are ignorant as hell.

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Also can I just ask why the fuck Satanists call themselves Satanists, isn't that just stirring up shit?  Yes I have read a lot of Satanist stuff and I agree with a lot of it including 'thinking for yourself' but  feeling like you have to categorise yourself into a religious, non-religious context is pure irony.

So why adopt the name of Satan? Is it just to piss off Christians?  I have never understood the evil-but-nice undertones of Satanism and to me it reeks of self-importance and fantasy-world gothic symbolism, with little substance beyond common-sense and heaps of teenage angst.




This is the most ironic post I have ever read.

Religious people are insane, they just don't realize it.

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You sound like a selfish asshole.

Think about it, if you comply and take part in the ghey prayers then your own ego is damaged.  If you don't, then you hurt multiple people's spiritual beliefs (that is, their entire take on life as we know it), you're an asshole to your mum who cooked your food which you happily tuck into knowing you're better than the fools around you.

Fuck off




You sound like a fool. :whatever:


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Re: Christians....... [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7670710 - 11/23/07 01:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

how is Thanksgiving meaningless???


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Re: Christians....... [Re: Atheist]
    #7670720 - 11/23/07 02:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

All holidays are pointless, a better question would be how is it not? You basically just do it because everyone else does, think about it. Nobody really is "thankful" for their food that's a crock of bullshit. It's just an excuse for fat fucks to stuff their faces.


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Re: Christians....... [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7670722 - 11/23/07 02:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

you're an idiot.


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Re: Christians....... [Re: Atheist]
    #7670724 - 11/23/07 02:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Fuck yourself pussy. Answer my question.


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Re: Christians....... [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7670728 - 11/23/07 02:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

oh and just because YOU are not thankful for shit, doesnt mean that everyone else isnt either

i agree many holidays are pointless (XMas, Kwanzaa, etc.)

but Thanksgiving actually happened and its based on history (which is real) and not religion (which is fake)


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Re: Christians....... [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7670733 - 11/23/07 02:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

here is the meaning of thanksgiving:

1 being thankful for life
2 being with family
3 getting drunk
4 football
5 eating good ass food

there, i answered your question.


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Re: Christians....... [Re: Atheist]
    #7670739 - 11/23/07 02:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah before we murdered all of the native americans to take their land. The whole concept is just stupid, it's stupid that we still celebrate it.. there is no real purpose.


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