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eeso
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Re: Christians....... [Re: Drewwyann]
#7668769 - 11/23/07 12:15 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Drewwyann said: You have the right to believe things are ridiculous. But i mean there are good and bad, and multiple variations of every religion/belief. Saying all of it is ridiculous is ridiculous. I just find that narrow-minded.
A belief is not necessarily either good or bad. It doesn't have to have a 'value' applied to it. I never said it was 'bad' to be a satanist, nor did I ever claim that the perception I have of 'satanism' as ridiculous was a bad thing. It's just a 'thing'. You are the one attaching an emotional value to my judgment.
This thread's derailed enough, I won't personally further it from here.
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whattheheck said: I guess my question is, are the pushing it on you, or just kinda asking you to join in? You have to know that most Christians are compelled by fear due to false teachings of hell and so yeah, she's probably all worried about your soul, but if all they want is for you to hold hands and bow your head in order to get a grip of grub.... That;'s when you have to decide which battles you want to take on in life and when to fight them.
Personally, if one of my four children grew up to not share my Christian beliefs, I would still be very thankful to have them at the table with us, and would only ask that they don't challenge our beliefs in our home (as I would not do in theirs or while they were a guest) Yet, I can't see the harm in you not praying with them.
Man religion sucks for almost 99.9% of the part
nope it's expected out of me, they seem to think I'm disrespecting them somehow if I don't, when all 'm doing is sitting back and letting them do their own thing
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Re: Christians....... [Re: igwna]
#7668782 - 11/23/07 12:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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She's your mum, hold her hand. And if you want to sacrifice a virgin when you get home you're welcome to.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: eeso]
#7668787 - 11/23/07 12:22 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Unholy, I know what you're going through with that crap. My parents don't pull it anymore.
I don't see how you guys are being so harsh on him...They're asking him to participate in a religious ritual he doesn't feel comfortable participating in, and they know it makes him uncomfortable!
Principles are important.
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igwna
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i wasn't being harsh!
most of these people don't know what satanism really is and need to be set straight... maybe doing some research before assuming would be a good idea...
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Ok, I just saw that video and I will tell you this... the video is a lot better than the website. Satan as a symbol doesnt make sense to me since in a religious form since you as a group do not believe in Satan. It also makes no sense since the video makes it clear you dont want to be associate with the negative publicity of Satan, yet there was a gathering on 6/6/06 (I am assuming that was the date).
My question to you now is this... why Satanism? Why associate yourself with a religion when everyhing they "believe" you can do without any religious belief? If you respect your parents religion (as stated in the video) why be so rude to your parents? Of course they WANT you to be christian or catholic or whatever, they want you to go to heaven. They want to save you. But holding hands and them forcing you to believe are two different things.
After all... its a damn turkey not the flesh of Christ.
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circularvortex said: Unholy, I know what you're going through with that crap. My parents don't pull it anymore.
I don't see how you guys are being so harsh on him...They're asking him to participate in a religious ritual he doesn't feel comfortable participating in, and they know it makes him uncomfortable!
Principles are important.
it's like having sex with someone you don't want to it feels very awkward inside. and I'm not trying to be funny when I make that comparison, it's about the same feeling. But it makes me most mad when I'm singled out in front of every one.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7668800 - 11/23/07 12:27 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Holding hands is participating in their religious ritual.
Would you hold hands at an animal sacrifice to the heathen gods of olde?
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AaronEvil
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No, but its because I wouldnt be there to begin with.
Holding the hand is a supportive thing. It doesnt make the prayer stronger if hands are held... and unless they forced him to contribute verbally to the prayer, he wasnt participating.
I just dont understand why it makes him uncomfortable. He doesnt believe in any of that to begin with. He doesnt believe in God or prayers working, therefore, it should not hurt him. It should be no different than me saying "I wish for a bicycle" when a shooting star goes by. Does that bother Satanists as well?
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Re: Christians....... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7668829 - 11/23/07 12:37 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well I can tell you that I'm not a satanist (no disrespect, of course), but I get offended when Christians just expect me to participate in their rituals.
I don't see how you don't see where it gets offensive...you wishing on a star requires nothing of anybody else.
Let's say their positions were swapped, his Mom was eating at his house. Let's say he had some Satanic ritual he liked to perform before a meal. Would it be right of him to expect his mother to participate? Would it be right of him to encourage her to participate after knowing she was uncomfortable with it?
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circularvortex said: Well I can tell you that I'm not a satanist (no disrespect, of course), but I get offended when Christians just expect me to participate in their rituals.
I don't see how you don't see where it gets offensive...you wishing on a star requires nothing of anybody else.
Let's say their positions were swapped, his Mom was eating at his house. Let's say he had some Satanic ritual he liked to perform before a meal. Would it be right of him to expect his mother to participate? Would it be right of him to encourage her to participate after knowing she was uncomfortable with it?
thats my point exactly it would totally go against their beliefs and disturb them extremely, and in all reality if there was a ritual that preformed I know my family would get mad at me for doing even in my own house.
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Ok, its like me asking him to hold my hand while I wish on a star. Not offensive.
For the situation being reversed, I would have to know the "ritual" you are talking about. I think holding a hand while a prayer is said is different than asking his mom to kill a goat (Im not saying that satanists do that but I need a relevent ritual)
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Re: Christians....... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7668851 - 11/23/07 12:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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*sigh*
I give up. Not worth the time...
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circularvortex said: *sigh*
I give up. Not worth the time...
yeah i blocked Aaron dumb ass a while ago he knows nothing.......... so whatever he has been posting I know is a waste fuck him.
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You say you're an atheist and a satanist, and according to me, these are two very different things. IMO a satanist is someone who rejects god/Jesus as their savior and place Satan as their god, while an atheist is someone who doesnt believe in the existence of an afterlife. Personally, I am an atheist (too?).
Either way I can see why you were offended. Its hard to submit your beliefs to respect someone else's. You can do that, but if you really don't want to tell them 'no' and if they ask you why, tell them. They'll be so hungry by the time your finished they'll forget to say grace themselves.
Its crazy, my family is strongly religious but there not zealots. I have two cousins that went to a monastery to study theism. One of them dropped out and is now working with my uncle, his dad (its where I work too). The other is still there, its pretty cool cause they get to travel a lot. None of them preach at all, I've heard more curse words come out of his mouth than anything preachy, and hes an asshole to everyone, it hilarious. With all of this in mind I was at Thanksgiving dinner tonight and grace was not said. I didn't realize it until I read this thread, but they didn't say grace. I think that's crazy cause I remember saying grace when I was younger but no more after all this theological training.
But anyways my advice is to either:
- Completely refuse
- refuse but except after a little pestering
- don't refuse
So basically, I don't give a shit. Thanks for reading.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: Idiot]
#7668891 - 11/23/07 01:07 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Idiot said: You say you're an atheist and a satanist, and according to me, these are two very different things. IMO a satanist is someone who rejects god/Jesus as their savior and place Satan as their god, while an atheist is someone who doesnt believe in the existence of an afterlife. Personally, I am an atheist (too?).
Either way I can see why you were offended. Its hard to submit your beliefs to respect someone else's. You can do that, but if you really don't want to tell them 'no' and if they ask you why, tell them. They'll be so hungry by the time your finished they'll forget to say grace themselves.
Its crazy, my family is strongly religious but there not zealots. I have two cousins that went to a monastery to study theism. One of them dropped out and is now working with my uncle, his dad (its where I work too). The other is still there, its pretty cool cause they get to travel a lot. None of them preach at all, I've heard more curse words come out of his mouth than anything preachy, and hes an asshole to everyone, it hilarious. With all of this in mind I was at Thanksgiving dinner tonight and grace was not said. I didn't realize it until I read this thread, but they didn't say grace. I think that's crazy cause I remember saying grace when I was younger but no more after all this theological training.
But anyways my advice is to either:
- Completely refuse
- refuse but except after a little pestering
- don't refuse
So basically, I don't give a shit. Thanks for reading.
well saying you believe in god means nothing at all seeing as how "god" means so many different things to so many people. God is a name just like Satan use it as it suits you best.
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So you're going to claim to worship the evil lord of a faith you don't believe in? If you don't believe in the religion then why even acknowledge that the religion you don't believe in has an evil lord.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: Idiot]
#7668991 - 11/23/07 01:39 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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shoulda just pulled out a fetus, cracked it in half and sucked its entrails out whilst they were praying, that woulda showed them.
But really, I have to say... whats the big deal? I know you are comparing it to some extremes, but come on... its just a prayer, just grin and bear it - is it really that bad?
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Dude, what are you afraid of? And about the prayer thing... i know what you mean, i went through the motions for years in catholic school. It's a good thing my parents are not catholic/religious or I might be a little more jaded about the whole thing. Just find some way to throw your own spin on it. Bart Simpson used "Rub-a-dub-dub, thanks for the grub"... nah' wha' I mean?
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UnholyChild666 said:
it's like having sex with someone you don't want to it feels very awkward inside.
That's what the Catholic boys say. 
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