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Re: Christians....... [Re: igwna]
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UnholyChild666 said: So both mt parents are extremely religious, they are now divorced. They didn't get one till after i moved out a few years ago. I however am a satanist, and when I say satanist I mean The Church of Satan, (not The First Church of Satan). Well this afternoon I went to my moms and she had her boyfriend over for the whole turkey deal. So we go to sit down to eat, now I know she ALWAYS prays before she eats and she knows I don't believe in god, so she gets ready to pray they go to hold hands with everyone there(my mom, her b.f. and my brother) for whatever reason she goes for my hand like I'm actually going to participate just because her boyfriend is there or something. I just hate when people like that would expect you to go to church or take part in prayer with other people even though it's not my beliefs, but they think I should do this out of respect. That is so disrespectful to try and get someone to do something like that knowing full well it's not their beliefs. They wouldn't bow down in a Buddhist temple out of respect because of their belief in one god, why should they expect an atheist to do the same? I personally think it's their sly ass way of trying to force it down peoples throats.
you say you're a satanist, specifically an athiest. meaning you reject any idea/theory of a/multiple gods. I'm just questioning myself why you call yourself a satanist rather than just an athiest.
are you one of those crazy dark, always black clothing, big flashy spikes and chains? in this case i can see you not holding the hands for the prayer to maintain your 'image.'
but, in my opinion (aka i'm not insulting you just proposing an idea), if you're just a regular "non-believer" (i.e. no 'image' to maintain) there should be no problem in humouring her for her own desired 'security' beliefs. it wouldn't be an insult to your own 'god' because you don't have one to worry about insulting.
i myself am agnostic and know no christian prayers or hymns or any of that jazz. but i do stand in a church when they are recited and show respect for others peoples religions and beliefs when i'm with them. when i'm with a jewish friend during holiday, i go along with their beliefs knowing it will not have an effect on me but also knowing that my friends appreciate it.
I'll just let this video explain it, and no I'm not into fashion. I do wear a lot of metal shirts, but those are concert t-shirts, thats my life right there, not fashion.
oops heres the video.............
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UnholyChild666 said: What is it that you find ridiculous about satanism?, Just curious not looking for a dick head response just a rational one please..
If you believe in Satan you MUST believe in God since the first reference to Satan is in religious writings (most of which are in the bible). The simple fact you dont believe in God but believe in an Angel God cast from heaven doesnt make any sense.
I for one dont believe in either as defined by religious writings, but at least I am consistent.
Hold her hand next time. She is your mom and she has her beliefs. If you dont believe the bullshit she and your dad believe, then dont believe it. Holding hands while they recite a prayer doesnt mean you are suddenly a believer. It means you love your parents enough to respect their beliefs. If you arent willing to do that then dont go eat their God food next time.
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UnholyChild666 said: So both mt parents are extremely religious, they are now divorced. They didn't get one till after i moved out a few years ago. I however am a satanist, and when I say satanist I mean The Church of Satan, (not The First Church of Satan). Well this afternoon I went to my moms and she had her boyfriend over for the whole turkey deal. So we go to sit down to eat, now I know she ALWAYS prays before she eats and she knows I don't believe in god, so she gets ready to pray they go to hold hands with everyone there(my mom, her b.f. and my brother) for whatever reason she goes for my hand like I'm actually going to participate just because her boyfriend is there or something. I just hate when people like that would expect you to go to church or take part in prayer with other people even though it's not my beliefs, but they think I should do this out of respect. That is so disrespectful to try and get someone to do something like that knowing full well it's not their beliefs. They wouldn't bow down in a Buddhist temple out of respect because of their belief in one god, why should they expect an atheist to do the same? I personally think it's their sly ass way of trying to force it down peoples throats.
you say you're a satanist, specifically an athiest. meaning you reject any idea/theory of a/multiple gods. I'm just questioning myself why you call yourself a satanist rather than just an athiest.
are you one of those crazy dark, always black clothing, big flashy spikes and chains? in this case i can see you not holding the hands for the prayer to maintain your 'image.'
but, in my opinion (aka i'm not insulting you just proposing an idea), if you're just a regular "non-believer" (i.e. no 'image' to maintain) there should be no problem in humouring her for her own desired 'security' beliefs. it wouldn't be an insult to your own 'god' because you don't have one to worry about insulting.
i myself am agnostic and know no christian prayers or hymns or any of that jazz. but i do stand in a church when they are recited and show respect for others peoples religions and beliefs when i'm with them. when i'm with a jewish friend during holiday, i go along with their beliefs knowing it will not have an effect on me but also knowing that my friends appreciate it.
I'll just let this video explain it, and no I'm not into fashion. I do wear a lot of metal shirts, but those are concert t-shirts, thats my life right there, not fashion.
i was really interested for your reply. i see a lot of your posts here and i enjoy what you have to say. just trying to expand my view on things through learning other's beliefs.
and i'm sorry to say i see no video 
edit: Oh theres the video haha
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Re: Christians....... [Re: AaronEvil]
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UnholyChild666 said: What is it that you find ridiculous about satanism?, Just curious not looking for a dick head response just a rational one please..
If you believe in Satan you MUST believe in God since the first reference to Satan is in religious writings (most of which are in the bible). The simple fact you dont believe in God but believe in an Angel God cast from heaven doesnt make any sense.
I for one dont believe in either as defined by religious writings, but at least I am consistent.
Hold her hand next time. She is your mom and she has her beliefs. If you dont believe the bullshit she and your dad believe, then dont believe it. Holding hands while they recite a prayer doesnt mean you are suddenly a believer. It means you love your parents enough to respect their beliefs. If you arent willing to do that then dont go eat their God food next time.
I don't believe in satan or god, please don't post anymore on something you know nothing about.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: igwna]
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UnholyChild666 said: So both mt parents are extremely religious, they are now divorced. They didn't get one till after i moved out a few years ago. I however am a satanist, and when I say satanist I mean The Church of Satan, (not The First Church of Satan). Well this afternoon I went to my moms and she had her boyfriend over for the whole turkey deal. So we go to sit down to eat, now I know she ALWAYS prays before she eats and she knows I don't believe in god, so she gets ready to pray they go to hold hands with everyone there(my mom, her b.f. and my brother) for whatever reason she goes for my hand like I'm actually going to participate just because her boyfriend is there or something. I just hate when people like that would expect you to go to church or take part in prayer with other people even though it's not my beliefs, but they think I should do this out of respect. That is so disrespectful to try and get someone to do something like that knowing full well it's not their beliefs. They wouldn't bow down in a Buddhist temple out of respect because of their belief in one god, why should they expect an atheist to do the same? I personally think it's their sly ass way of trying to force it down peoples throats.
you say you're a satanist, specifically an athiest. meaning you reject any idea/theory of a/multiple gods. I'm just questioning myself why you call yourself a satanist rather than just an athiest.
are you one of those crazy dark, always black clothing, big flashy spikes and chains? in this case i can see you not holding the hands for the prayer to maintain your 'image.'
but, in my opinion (aka i'm not insulting you just proposing an idea), if you're just a regular "non-believer" (i.e. no 'image' to maintain) there should be no problem in humouring her for her own desired 'security' beliefs. it wouldn't be an insult to your own 'god' because you don't have one to worry about insulting.
i myself am agnostic and know no christian prayers or hymns or any of that jazz. but i do stand in a church when they are recited and show respect for others peoples religions and beliefs when i'm with them. when i'm with a jewish friend during holiday, i go along with their beliefs knowing it will not have an effect on me but also knowing that my friends appreciate it.
I'll just let this video explain it, and no I'm not into fashion. I do wear a lot of metal shirts, but those are concert t-shirts, thats my life right there, not fashion.
i was really interested for your reply. i see a lot of your posts here and i enjoy what you have to say. just trying to expand my view on things through learning other's beliefs.
and i'm sorry to say i see no video 
edit: Oh theres the video haha
I know I forgot to put in the first time it's there now
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Re: Christians....... [Re: AaronEvil]
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UnholyChild666 said: What is it that you find ridiculous about satanism?, Just curious not looking for a dick head response just a rational one please..
If you believe in Satan you MUST believe in God since the first reference to Satan is in religious writings (most of which are in the bible). The simple fact you dont believe in God but believe in an Angel God cast from heaven doesnt make any sense.
I for one dont believe in either as defined by religious writings, but at least I am consistent.
Hold her hand next time. She is your mom and she has her beliefs. If you dont believe the bullshit she and your dad believe, then dont believe it. Holding hands while they recite a prayer doesnt mean you are suddenly a believer. It means you love your parents enough to respect their beliefs. If you arent willing to do that then dont go eat their God food next time.
Nah, not all satanist believe in god. The CoS adherents are atheist.
I don't understand why people have a problem with abstaining in participating in something out of principal. He's not preventing them from petitioning their skygod myth guy.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: Toddo]
#7668693 - 11/22/07 11:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dont call yourself a satanist if you dont believe in satan. At least be consistent and say athiest. The term Satan is a biblical and religious term. If you call yourself a Satanist you automatically acknowledge his existance.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: AaronEvil]
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Satanism rarely has anything to do with satan. Calling something jumbo-shrimp doesnt make any sense either, but you don't go around criticizing the sea-food industry.
Be open to things man.
Edit: I'm not comparing the satanist name and beliefs to the name of jumbo-shrimp. Just an example. Also not saying the name satanism makes no sense. My post came out wrong.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: AaronEvil]
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AaronEvil said: Dont call yourself a satanist if you dont believe in satan. At least be consistent and say athiest. The term Satan is a biblical and religious term. If you call yourself a Satanist you automatically acknowledge his existance.
once again please quit posting shit when you know nothing.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: Drewwyann]
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Being Christian, I like to thank God that I have food to eat. Of course, I often went hungry growing up, and that memory is still etched in my heart, so I am actually appreciative of the food I'm about to eat. I don't believe that the food morphs or I get more out of it because I invoke the name of God.
Although I think it is cool to appreciate the fact that I'm eating while others are not, if you feel as if you're getting beliefs pushed on you by them asking you to hold hands, then you need to get out of there man.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: Drewwyann]
#7668720 - 11/22/07 11:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Drewwyann said: psaying all satanism is ridiculous is like saying fire is can only be used for destruction. It's extremely one sided.
No that's a horrible analogy.
Fire's uses is an objective topic.
Satanism being ridiculous is my subjective personal opinion. I'm not claiming any factual arguments regarding it.
I'm also not saying he should change his beliefs. Anyone can believe anything he likes as long as it doesn't directly affect me.
In addition, my adding that comment to my original post wasn't meant to be such a big point and I really don't wish to discuss the merits of 'satanism'. I was just trying to distinguish from which direction my argument came from.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: aDoS]
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wtf...this isn't about fucking satanism...and I actually agree with the original poster that most of you guys are being ignorant as hell. I don't think we need to clarify what this guy believes in. (pretty sure he already knows...) Lets stay on topic or this is just going to go strait down the fucking drain.
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UnholyChild666 said: So both mt parents are extremely religious, they are now divorced. They didn't get one till after i moved out a few years ago. I however am a satanist, and when I say satanist I mean The Church of Satan, (not The First Church of Satan). Well this afternoon I went to my moms and she had her boyfriend over for the whole turkey deal. So we go to sit down to eat, now I know she ALWAYS prays before she eats and she knows I don't believe in god, so she gets ready to pray they go to hold hands with everyone there(my mom, her b.f. and my brother) for whatever reason she goes for my hand like I'm actually going to participate just because her boyfriend is there or something. I just hate when people like that would expect you to go to church or take part in prayer with other people even though it's not my beliefs, but they think I should do this out of respect. That is so disrespectful to try and get someone to do something like that knowing full well it's not their beliefs. They wouldn't bow down in a Buddhist temple out of respect because of their belief in one god, why should they expect an atheist to do the same? I personally think it's their sly ass way of trying to force it down peoples throats.
you say you're a satanist, specifically an athiest. meaning you reject any idea/theory of a/multiple gods. I'm just questioning myself why you call yourself a satanist rather than just an athiest.
are you one of those crazy dark, always black clothing, big flashy spikes and chains? in this case i can see you not holding the hands for the prayer to maintain your 'image.'
but, in my opinion (aka i'm not insulting you just proposing an idea), if you're just a regular "non-believer" (i.e. no 'image' to maintain) there should be no problem in humouring her for her own desired 'security' beliefs. it wouldn't be an insult to your own 'god' because you don't have one to worry about insulting.
i myself am agnostic and know no christian prayers or hymns or any of that jazz. but i do stand in a church when they are recited and show respect for others peoples religions and beliefs when i'm with them. when i'm with a jewish friend during holiday, i go along with their beliefs knowing it will not have an effect on me but also knowing that my friends appreciate it.
I'll just let this video explain it, and no I'm not into fashion. I do wear a lot of metal shirts, but those are concert t-shirts, thats my life right there, not fashion.
i was really interested for your reply. i see a lot of your posts here and i enjoy what you have to say. just trying to expand my view on things through learning other's beliefs.
and i'm sorry to say i see no video 
edit: Oh theres the video haha
I know I forgot to put in the first time it's there now
Well, i watch a lot of that video. Very interesting. I suppose I understand, however in not believing the same as you I myself, PERSONALLY would have no problem humouring my mother for a prayer. but i respect you for your beliefs.
as Voltaire once said, I dissaprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
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a satanist could be a varity of things. its accepted now to call yourself a satanist for quite a few different things. atheism is one of them.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: eeso]
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You have the right to believe things are ridiculous. But i mean there are good and bad, and multiple variations of every religion/belief. Saying all of it is ridiculous is ridiculous. I just find that narrow-minded.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: Toddo]
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Toddo said: wtf...this isn't about fucking satanism...and I actually agree with the original poster that most of you guys are being ignorant as hell. I don't think we need to clarify what this guy believes in. (pretty sure he already knows...) Lets stay on topic or this is just going to go strait down the fucking drain.
I kinda knew that was going to happen when I said I was a satanist, but it was relevant I don't mind I just hate when people try to say IT IS THIS WAY, instead of giving their opinion, it would be different if they had studied the topic and had misunderstood, but thats not the case here.
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Re: Christians....... [Re: igwna]
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Well, i watch a lot of that video. Very interesting. I suppose I understand, however in not believing the same as you I myself, PERSONALLY would have no problem humouring my mother for a prayer. but i respect you for your beliefs.
as Voltaire once said, I dissaprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
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AaronEvil said: Dont call yourself a satanist if you dont believe in satan. At least be consistent and say athiest. The term Satan is a biblical and religious term. If you call yourself a Satanist you automatically acknowledge his existance.
once again please quit posting shit when you know nothing.
Im starting to think you dont know what you believe. The official Church of Satan website states:
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Is that not referencing the biblical Satan? You can only claim its hebrew and latin roots for so long in a discussion. Eventually (when you reference "Prince of Darkness") you are referring to the biblical Satan. The fallen angel.
Im not saying your beliefs are wrong (though the website seems to prove otherwise), but you cant bash your parents for their own.
I think you and your parents are both crazy for believing what you believe, but I would at least pray with them or... do whatever it is you do so long as I dont find it inhumane.
For the record I havent seen anything on the website to suggest inhumane behavior (though the Nine Satanic Statements could be misunderstood to imply harm to people)
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I guess my question is, are the pushing it on you, or just kinda asking you to join in? You have to know that most Christians are compelled by fear due to false teachings of hell and so yeah, she's probably all worried about your soul, but if all they want is for you to hold hands and bow your head in order to get a grip of grub.... That;'s when you have to decide which battles you want to take on in life and when to fight them.
Personally, if one of my four children grew up to not share my Christian beliefs, I would still be very thankful to have them at the table with us, and would only ask that they don't challenge our beliefs in our home (as I would not do in theirs or while they were a guest) Yet, I can't see the harm in you not praying with them.
Man religion sucks for almost 99.9% of the part
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