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    #7666099 - 11/22/07 08:25 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: flowerbed grow [Re: norml840]
    #7666121 - 11/22/07 08:33 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

They'll be fine.
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Re: flowerbed grow [Re: norml840]
    #7666126 - 11/22/07 08:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

man, i wouldn't mess with cakes that had contams. its dangerous. you don't know what the contam exactly is. it could kill you or make it wish it killed you or it could be harmless. And as someone once said, Throwing up into a toilet that is melting infront of you probably isn't exactly the trip your looking for :-)


or am i wrong rr??
i thought it was a nono to eat off of contamed cakes?
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Re: flowerbed grow [Re: ShroominScooby]
    #7666162 - 11/22/07 08:46 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, SKETCHY. Why even mess with contams? Even if it's outdoors, you still could get that bit of toxin sucked into your mushies. I guess each person can do what they wish but daym, if it was me I'd avoid it. Not worth poisoning my precious liver!


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Re: flowerbed grow [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7666178 - 11/22/07 08:50 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

hahaha yea didn't think it sounded right
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Re: flowerbed grow [Re: ShroominScooby]
    #7666250 - 11/22/07 09:13 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i would think that the temps would kill the contaminates?


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Re: flowerbed grow [Re: ShroominScooby]
    #7666274 - 11/22/07 09:22 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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man, i wouldn't mess with cakes that had contams. its dangerous. you don't know what the contam exactly is. it could kill you or make it wish it killed you or it could be harmless. And as someone once said, Throwing up into a toilet that is melting infront of you probably isn't exactly the trip your looking for :-)





I've worked for years to try to beat this kind of disinformation, but it still gets repeated for no reason whatsoever.

I'm the one who talked about the melting toilet, but that is in relation to rotten mushrooms. There's a big difference between a mushroom that was picked and put fresh in a plastic bag to rot, and a cake with mold on it that was buried outside. Every mushroom in nature grows in the presence of molds and nobody dies from eating wild boletes, oysters, etc. For the last time, fruits from substrates that also harbor molds DO NOT RENDER THE MUSHROOMS TOXIC! In fact, they rarely even impact the flush. http://www.scielo.br/pdf/bjm/v38n2/v38n2a10.pdf
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Re: flowerbed grow [Re: drwatson]
    #7666276 - 11/22/07 09:22 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

hahaha are you serious?
contaminates (aka. endospores/ fungal spores from other species of fungus that could kill you) grow on your substrate your trying to grow your mushrooms on. these things thrive in the same conditions your mushrooms thrive on. this is exactly why we keep things sterile when working. we don't want anything but our precious spores in the jar (in the example of a pf jar) becuase we don't want compitition for our spores but also because many contams will make us very sick or kill us. yes, there are some contams that won't (penicillium for example) but i doubt many of us are qualified to ID the weird fungus' that invade many peoples grows.

long story short, no the temps won't kill the contams unless you want to kill everything (includeing your mushrooms myc/spores) and resterilize the cake.

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Re: flowerbed grow [Re: ShroominScooby]
    #7666309 - 11/22/07 09:31 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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contaminates (aka. endospores/ fungal spores from other species of fungus that could kill you) grow on your substrate your trying to grow your mushrooms on. these things thrive in the same conditions your mushrooms thrive on. this is exactly why we keep things sterile when working.




Not quite.

We sterilize substrates indoors for one and only one reason. It's so we can allow the mushroom mycelium unfettered access to its food source. It has nothing to do with contaminants that can kill us, which is a myth anyway. If you're going to spread such, perhaps you can find one, just ONE person who has ever died from eating otherwise healthy fruits from a substrate with mold. It won't happen. In fact, trichoderma is a beneficial organism in the soil, and farmers specifically implant it into the soil of root crops such as carrots and potatoes, which are in direct contact with the fungus. Another common contaminant, penicillium mold is used as food. Ever heard of blue cheese salad dressing? Any idea what those blue chunks are?
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Re: flowerbed grow [Re: ShroominScooby]
    #7666310 - 11/22/07 09:32 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I was under the impression that 86 degrees and higher is prime for contaminates to thrive. Mushrooms like Azures and Cyans grow in colder climates at a time when contaminates are lower because of the lower temps so i don't think that the ideal conditions for all mushrooms are also the ideal conditions for contaminates.

I thought that by burying your substrate outside in temps around 70 or lower that contaminates might be fought off by the lower temps and the mycelium given a better chance of recovery. Isn't that the whole idea?


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Re: flowerbed grow [Re: ShroominScooby]
    #7666341 - 11/22/07 09:42 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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hahaha are you serious?
contaminates (aka. endospores/ fungal spores from other species of fungus that could kill you) grow on your substrate your trying to grow your mushrooms on. these things thrive in the same conditions your mushrooms thrive on. this is exactly why we keep things sterile when working. we don't want anything but our precious spores in the jar (in the example of a pf jar) becuase we don't want compitition for our spores but also because many contams will make us very sick or kill us. yes, there are some contams that won't (penicillium for example) but i doubt many of us are qualified to ID the weird fungus' that invade many peoples grows.

long story short, no the temps won't kill the contams unless you want to kill everything (includeing your mushrooms myc/spores) and resterilize the cake.

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Ingested spores will not harm you as you happen to have mecanisms in your own body that destroy them (stomach acid for example). You eat millions of spores every day, they land on your food, you eat blue cheese etc etc etc

Also, a shroom that grows off the cake will grow off the p cubensis mycelium not of another and so will be a cubensis fruit, that isn't toxic, even if there is contaminants on the cake, they won't be on the shroom, unless the shroom looks all rotten.

As RR said, mushrooms grow in the wild living in harmony with other funguses. The reason we call them "contaminants" is that we don't want them where they are (because we are growing cubes not trichoderma) but that doesn't mean they are bad.

We call a nettle a weed if it grows in our tomato patch, but that doesn't mean that the nettle is bad, in fact we eat them.

A shroom picked on a contaminated cake is fine to eat unless the shroom itself has been invaded by a contaminant and looks/smells bad.


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Re: flowerbed grow [Re: drwatson]
    #7666348 - 11/22/07 09:42 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Ahhh im sorry. my mistake. I did confuse this then RR. So the only reason we throw away contamed cakes is because they are competing for our myc/mushrooms food? thats it?!!
huh, so p. mushrooms that grow out of a contaminent are edible?
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Re: flowerbed grow [Re: ShroominScooby]
    #7666388 - 11/22/07 09:49 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

If the given mushroom is edible, and the mushroom itself if fine (and assuming it has been grown indoors away from heavy metals or radioactivity) you can eat it.


The reason we sterilize is that most "contaminants" grow faster than the mycelium we want to grow, so we have to give it a head start by clearing the field (cake) of other competitors.

But most people get an occasional patch of cobweb or trich on a cake or casing and they will still fruit fine, at least for a while.


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Re: flowerbed grow [Re: Nibin]
    #7666442 - 11/22/07 10:06 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

So eating mushrooms from substrate with foreign molds is not a health issue? Wow, I thought that was the entire point of ditching contaminated grows.


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Re: flowerbed grow [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7666445 - 11/22/07 10:07 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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contaminates (aka. endospores/ fungal spores from other species of fungus that could kill you) grow on your substrate your trying to grow your mushrooms on. these things thrive in the same conditions your mushrooms thrive on. this is exactly why we keep things sterile when working.




Not quite.

We sterilize substrates indoors for one and only one reason. It's so we can allow the mushroom mycelium unfettered access to its food source. It has nothing to do with contaminants that can kill us, which is a myth anyway. If you're going to spread such, perhaps you can find one, just ONE person who has ever died from eating otherwise healthy fruits from a substrate with mold. It won't happen. In fact, trichoderma is a beneficial organism in the soil, and farmers specifically implant it into the soil of root crops such as carrots and potatoes, which are in direct contact with the fungus. Another common contaminant, penicillium mold is used as food. Ever heard of blue cheese salad dressing? Any idea what those blue chunks are?
RR




It is however, bad to eat some molds, obviously, though. It's not like every mold is ok to eat..


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Re: flowerbed grow [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7666606 - 11/22/07 10:59 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

but if you are eating a shroom you are not eating the mold on the cake, you are eating a shroom that has no mold on it.

If on the other hand you are eating a rotten shroom you might be eatic mold or bacteria. But no one recommends eating rotten shrooms

Shrooms from contaminated cakes yes
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Re: flowerbed grow [Re: Nibin]
    #7666679 - 11/22/07 11:32 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: flowerbed grow [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7666684 - 11/22/07 11:35 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

so what is the blue cheese chunks ??:tongue:


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Re: flowerbed grow [Re: orchidfanatic]
    #7667504 - 11/22/07 04:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Wikipedia says:

Blue cheese, known in French as bleu ("blue"), is a general classification of cow's milk, sheep's milk, or goat's milk cheeses that has had Penicillium cultures added so that the final product is spotted or veined throughout with blue or blue-green mold. Some blue cheeses are injected with spores before the curds form and others have spores mixed in with the curds after they form. Blue cheeses are typically aged in a temperature-controlled environment such as a cave.


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