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Moon and inoculation
    #7664184 - 11/21/07 06:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Hello, I am about to inoculate... and the moon is quickly becoming full. Is it better to inoculate now or after the full moon has passed?
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: cupevampe]
    #7664224 - 11/21/07 06:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i dont think it really matters?


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: wortiesbo]
    #7664242 - 11/21/07 06:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think if you put serious stock into the phases of the moon in regards to your personal life or the nature of reality, you're better off waiting til after the full moon has passed because it will afford you more time to figure out why you're so dense. Stay away from sharp objects.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
    #7664285 - 11/21/07 06:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I think if you put serious stock into the phases of the moon in regards to your personal life or the nature of reality, you're better off waiting til after the full moon has passed because it will afford you more time to figure out why you're so dense. Stay away from sharp objects.




Pretty goddamn funny right there.... :rockon:


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: WWorker]
    #7664399 - 11/21/07 06:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

hahahahahaha


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: legallyhomeless]
    #7664601 - 11/21/07 07:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Wow.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: KillrX]
    #7664622 - 11/21/07 07:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

This needs to be pinned.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: shroom_ninja]
    #7664711 - 11/21/07 08:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Well your not wrong in thinking that the moon might play some part in the bigger scheme of things.
I mean farmers for thousands of years have used the moon to plan crop cycles.
The tides are created in part by the moon.
And some species of coral set their "MASS" spawning by a certain full moon every year.

Now I'm not saying that I think there IS a better time to hit up your jars... lol, I hit mine up whenever I feel like it. :thumbup:
But if you feel that it does play a part, then by all means do some messing around in the lab and see what you come up with.

I have never personally found anything saying that the moon phase is
significant to mushrooms but you never know I suppose.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: Funkatron9000]
    #7664738 - 11/21/07 08:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

haha. i was just reallizing the moon was becoming full. sweet. at least someone else cares. about the moon. heh.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: Shredman]
    #7664753 - 11/21/07 08:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

What's dense is thinking the moon, which can raise and then lower billions of tons of water several meters each day, can have no other effects on life. However, we'll leave that be for now. I haven't noticed any difference in mycelium growth due to moon cycles. In fact, mycelium seems much closer tied to the 24 hour day, thus the sun plays a more important role.
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7664791 - 11/21/07 08:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The moon has gravitational effect upon the earth, but not so much as the earth itself.

The moon provides light, but reflected off the sun.

The moon is a measure of the solar orbit of our planet around the sun and the moon around the earth, providing a context of the measurable passage of time and repeatable seasons.

There is nothing there that is either relevant to the growing of shrooms or that isn't superceded by an actual scientific understanding of how things work. Coupled with the guy's blog which talks about existing in the matrix and how the number 3 is spiritually important, I doubt this guy is more worried about the effects of light pollution from a full moon on the mushrooms' growth cycle.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
    #7664840 - 11/21/07 08:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You should dunk them in chicken blood. Just kidding.

Like RR said, the sun is what's important here. Ensuring that you keep them dark while they're colonizing, and going to 12/12 light when your ready to fruit is more important.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
    #7664845 - 11/21/07 08:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I heard it's best to inoculate during your mom's menstrual cycle


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7665008 - 11/21/07 09:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

this is a classic random, thread.


and im so confused.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: QDP843]
    #7665077 - 11/21/07 10:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

why are you asking other people? ask the moon, man!


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: nepalnt21]
    #7665107 - 11/21/07 10:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

this cant be a real question


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: Chaos Creations]
    #7665130 - 11/21/07 10:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

knock them up whenever you want.
then go and eat them night of the full moon would be my recommendation!


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: Enothe]
    #7665156 - 11/21/07 11:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I always like to eat mine on a warm night under the moon. But more because I just like that setting. If you'd feel more comfortable doing it according to the moon cycle and you have some belief that the moon plays a roll in life then go for it. It's not so much whether the moon actually does play a part as much that your belief in it does. Personally I just mess with my shrooms when I feel like it.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: dread]
    #7665581 - 11/22/07 02:26 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #7665654 - 11/22/07 03:12 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Where I live mushroom hunting is VERY BIG. We even have tv programmes about it. Every weekend in autumn the countryside is full of hundreds of people with wicker baskets looking for edibles.

The general belief around here is that if the weather has been right (it has rained most days) pins will form on a waxing moon and will grow to full size on a waning moon just after the full moon. So the best time to hunt would be on a newly waning moon if it has rained 10 to 5 days before.

Obviously if the weather has been bad and it hasn't rined a lot people go by the rains


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: Nibin]
    #7665739 - 11/22/07 04:54 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Greetings cupevampe,

Inoculation and transfer of stored cultures : New Moon waxing to First Quarter. Any Water sign.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: JaComet]
    #7665741 - 11/22/07 04:59 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Wow, Jacomet. Registered since 2002 but only 55 posts. Not a big poster I see, lol.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: Nibin]
    #7665759 - 11/22/07 05:34 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Probably only posts on a full moon


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: yepyepyep]
    #7665772 - 11/22/07 05:53 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I only post when I’ve something to contribute.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: JaComet]
    #7665789 - 11/22/07 06:12 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

that's what I figured. There are a surprising amount of people who lurk and only post occasionally.

Interesting info btw, is it from personal experience?


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: Nibin]
    #7666109 - 11/22/07 08:29 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Greetings Nibin,

From experience. I’ve been growing various higher fungi since June of 1974. Several years later my lab notes indicated faster and healthier colorizations that correlated somehow to transfers made at the dark of the Moon. Don’t even remember how I first noticed this trend. Later experience in the garden led me to employ classic Moon Phase timing to mushroom cultivation.

I began planning inoculations from stored cultures to coincide accordingly. As I persisted in this practice I was rewarded with consistent performance in cultivation. Six weeks from initial transfer to grain (using pints), expanding to quarts, laying in trays (no bulk substrates then), casing, to fruit. This brought my 1st flushes out around the second following Full Moon!

The Koi Samui “Fool Moon” festivals seem to support the Full Moon as preferred fruiting periods. Timing transfer procedures and casing on days suggested for killing pests/weeds (when possible) just seems to help achieve that observed 1st fruiting period.

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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: JaComet]
    #7666127 - 11/22/07 08:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Niiiiice, even if it is subjective it is still way better than "something my cousin's friend's sister read somewhere I'm not sure where, maybe on the internets"

I think I'm going to start marking the moon fases in my grow notebook along with the rest of info.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: Nibin]
    #7666548 - 11/22/07 10:35 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It's amazing how infected we've become with disrespect of others. Becareful how you measure others, it all comes back to you.

If the moon is important to your path, follow it. Some of us will honor it, the ignorant will make fun of it, You will grow from it.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: AtrioVent]
    #7666998 - 11/22/07 01:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: Omnicracker]
    #7667024 - 11/22/07 01:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

speaking of moons


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: tahoe]
    #7667035 - 11/22/07 01:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

does your girl know you post her ass all over this forum? lol


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: Deity208]
    #7667052 - 11/22/07 01:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

ive had that gaping ass shot as my background for almost a year now. slap it hard one time for ol OMNI.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: tahoe]
    #7667074 - 11/22/07 01:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Man, there is a forum for that kind of a post......Not to disrespect you in any way shape or form, but could you please remove it? The cultivation form is for cultivation. I really don't see that as being productive, or in any way contributing to this thread. Especially when Jacomet breathed some real life into it.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: Omnicracker]
    #7667093 - 11/22/07 01:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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i use moonrocks as substrate.






Is that why the caps are black? Or is that because they have been fruiting too long? They look like they are way past picking.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: legallyhomeless]
    #7667132 - 11/22/07 02:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

That looks like they have spores all over them. Been covered and have fruited way past picking. I'm interested in how to get moon rocks as a substrate though!


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #7667266 - 11/22/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Why so many asses gotta come in here and just say thats stupid. I haven't seen anything about mushroom but I seen this talking about the water in plants and plants that are made up of lots of water well mushrooms got alto more water then a carrot lol and how it can be effected by the pull of the moon.

article here kinda made it sound like you should plant under barren signs during dark periods and try and get a full moon for the pull of the fruiting?

http://goddess.astrology.com/moon/gardening.html

From ancient times, some gardening practices have been based on Moon phases. The Moon affects plant growth through its pull on water. Plants contain a huge percentage of water in their make up, and they respond to the tidal pulls of the Moon.

Generally, the best time to plant is just before the New Moon and during the waxing phase. The waning Moon through to the balsamic phase is clean-up time -- weed out dying plants or overgrown beds, rake paths, trim, burn or compost debris.

However, some plants do better when started during certain Moon phases. For instance, during the New Moon, plant flowers, shrubs, trees and such garden vegetables as lettuce, chard, spinach and others whose primary value is in their above-ground parts. As the Moon grows full, it draws the plants up, enhancing their growth. Root crops, like potatoes, turnips and onions like the dark of the Moon.

This is further complicated by the effects of the Moon Signs. When the Moon moves through certain signs, it becomes more barren or more fertile. In general, plant during fertile and semi-fertile signs, keeping in mind that below-ground plants flourish during barren signs.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: Omnicracker]
    #7667273 - 11/22/07 03:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: MYSTIQUE]
    #7667319 - 11/22/07 03:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

sound like a load of superstitious hokum to me.
how does the phase of the moon change the gravitational pull it exerts? the whole moon is still there whether you see all or part of it.
what am i missing.:confused:

having said that though,i seem to recall that some plants are said to flower only at the time of a full moon.but then again that may have been from some old horror movie i watched as a youth :grin:
hound of the baskervilles maybe.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: deucedbi9]
    #7669189 - 11/23/07 04:59 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

>>“Why so many asses gotta come in here and just say thats stupid.”

Greetings MYSTIQUE,

Most folks in “Modern” societies come from a strictly Materialistic mind set. It’s how we’re taught to think. Minds enclosed by rules simply remain inside the possibilities imposed by those rules. This is particularly true in the realms of “Science”, where such things as the Laws of Physics are held sacrosanct.

(Guess we’re just a couple of heretics, you and me ;-)

Transferring and inoculating during barren signs seems to be a little counterproductive to me, as that is also the time for killing pests, cutting lawns to slow growth and all that. I had my best responses when I could transfer with the Moon traversing a water sign. Also keep in mind our Friends in the Fifth Kingdom are quite different from those in the Second.

And just a note, Water elements correspond to the Fertile times while the other elements are all over the place.

>>“how does the phase of the moon change the gravitational pull it exerts? the whole moon is still there whether you see all or part of it. As the Moons position around Earth changes, so does the shape and what am i missing”

Greetings deucedbi9,

Triangulation and energy flow from the sun.

Imagine the visible and invisible spectrums of energy from the Sun as a liquid current. Like a river, it flows around objects forming cross eddies and riffles. As the Moon’s position around Earth changes, so does the shape of eddies around the two bodies.

It may not be so much about gravitational pull, if “Gravity” even exists.

From : http://www.thunderbolts.info

“Today, nothing is more important to the future and credibility of science than liberation from the gravity-driven universe of prior theory. A mistaken supposition has not only prevented intelligent and sincere investigators from seeing what would otherwise be obvious, it has bred indifference to possibilities that could have inspired the sciences for decades." David Talbott and Wallace Thornhill

From : http://www.kronia.com/electric.html

Space is filled with plasma, the fourth state of matter. Plasma consists of hot ionized atoms and is influenced by magnetic fields. Plasma also conducts electrical current. Such current flow creates magnetic fields which affect the structure of the plasma. The energy states and resulting structure are so complex that scientists are not able to adequately model plasma phenomena mathematically. However, we have a great deal of empirical knowledge of plasmas since they have been used in industry for over a hundred years.

Plasmas do not behave like a gas. They develop structure when a charge gradient produces the movement of electric current. The current flow and resultant magnetic fields cause the plasma to form filaments that twist together into ropes. As long as the current continues, the structure remains intact.

Guess I’ve gone on long enough.

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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: Nibin]
    #7669196 - 11/23/07 05:15 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: jeetered]
    #7669320 - 11/23/07 07:15 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

thanks for the links jacomet.looks interesting.
maybe it's just my "Materialistic mind set". there may well be something in it.
but compared to other growing parameters - substrate FAE and water for example - the phase of the moon, the ebb and flow of the suns "liquid currents,eddies and magnetic fields" etc. would be relatively negligible imo. >shrugs<


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: deucedbi9]
    #7669568 - 11/23/07 09:29 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

wow, i don't mean to be disrespectful, but wiccan and or hippy idealism that the moon has shit to do with mycology is simply fucking hilarious.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: jeetered]
    #7670255 - 11/23/07 12:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

As i already said before all the old folk that go out picking mushrooms over here follow the moon cycles, and adjust for different kinds of fungi.

I really don't think you can trash knowledge handed down through the centuries that fast.

I don't know how much the moon cycle affects indoor grows in which we artificially create the mushrooms microclimate but at least outdoors it seems to be an issue.


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    #7670540 - 11/23/07 01:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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As i already said before all the old folk that go out picking mushrooms over here follow the moon cycles, and adjust for different kinds of fungi.

I really don't think you can trash knowledge handed down through the centuries that fast.

I don't know how much the moon cycle affects indoor grows in which we artificially create the mushrooms microclimate but at least outdoors it seems to be an issue.




all the succesful myco hunters i know follow the rH and the temp, in which the moon has nothing to do with.

hate to rain on your parade, but that's bullshit.
"handed down through the centuries"

fucking horse hockey, please show hard data to back it up, not some wiccan hippy hearsay that isn't worth the poop i wipe out of my ass.


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    #7670744 - 11/23/07 02:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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The moon has gravitational effect upon the earth, but not so much as the earth itself.

The moon provides light, but reflected off the sun.

The moon is a measure of the solar orbit of our planet around the sun and the moon around the earth, providing a context of the measurable passage of time and repeatable seasons.

There is nothing there that is either relevant to the growing of shrooms or that isn't superceded by an actual scientific understanding of how things work. Coupled with the guy's blog which talks about existing in the matrix and how the number 3 is spiritually important, I doubt this guy is more worried about the effects of light pollution from a full moon on the mushrooms' growth cycle.




This is true from a scientific materialism world-view, but it seems you haven't realized that science isn't the only way to look at the world. The moon may just be a rock floating in space to you, but it doesn't make it that for the rest of the world. The map is not the territory, jack-ass.


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    #7670752 - 11/23/07 02:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I just grew some shrooms on a full moon and they turned into ware shrooms.


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    #7670768 - 11/23/07 02:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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As i already said before all the old folk that go out picking mushrooms over here follow the moon cycles, and adjust for different kinds of fungi.

I really don't think you can trash knowledge handed down through the centuries that fast.

I don't know how much the moon cycle affects indoor grows in which we artificially create the mushrooms microclimate but at least outdoors it seems to be an issue.




all the succesful myco hunters i know follow the rH and the temp, in which the moon has nothing to do with.

hate to rain on your parade, but that's bullshit.
"handed down through the centuries"

fucking horse hockey, please show hard data to back it up, not some wiccan hippy hearsay that isn't worth the poop i wipe out of my ass.




Seems like you're confusing your reality for the entirety of reality, as well. It may not be worth much to you, but it doesn't make it so for everyone.

All the successful hunters you know, don't comprise all the successful hunters in existence. I hope you can see how something can exist outside of your experience AND hold truth. But I seriously doubt it.


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    #7670867 - 11/23/07 02:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Nibin said:
As i already said before all the old folk that go out picking mushrooms over here follow the moon cycles, and adjust for different kinds of fungi.

I really don't think you can trash knowledge handed down through the centuries that fast.

I don't know how much the moon cycle affects indoor grows in which we artificially create the mushrooms microclimate but at least outdoors it seems to be an issue.




all the succesful myco hunters i know follow the rH and the temp, in which the moon has nothing to do with.

hate to rain on your parade, but that's bullshit.
"handed down through the centuries"

fucking horse hockey, please show hard data to back it up, not some wiccan hippy hearsay that isn't worth the poop i wipe out of my ass.




Seems like you're confusing your reality for the entirety of reality, as well. It may not be worth much to you, but it doesn't make it so for everyone.

All the successful hunters you know, don't comprise all the successful hunters in existence. I hope you can see how something can exist outside of your experience AND hold truth. But I seriously doubt it.




if you buy into this hippy wiccan idealism, then you need a good dose of reality.



besides, take your hippy wiccan idealism elsewhere, mycology is about hard scientific/biological data, not spirtualism and voodoo.

I can accept that some things are reality outside of my beliefs, but to buy into this occult bullshit is simply retarded.

druid shroom hunting, give me a break.



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    #7670878 - 11/23/07 02:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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even RR said to believe the moon has an affect makes you dense.




No, I didn't. The flaming in this thread is going to stop. If you people don't have something constructive to add, stay out and let the thread die a peaceful death. For alleged psychonauts, I see an awful lot of closed minds.
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    #7670925 - 11/23/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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if you buy into this hippy wiccan idealism, then you need a good dose of reality.



besides, take your hippy wiccan idealism elsewhere, mycology is about hard scientific/biological data, not spirtualism and voodoo.

I can accept that some things are reality outside of my beliefs, but to buy into this occult bullshit is simply retarded.

druid shroom hunting, give me a break.






I don't really think you can accept that things are outside of your beliefs. If you could accept, then I don't think it would be 'hippy wiccan idealism' or 'occult bullshit' or 'druid shroom hunting'.

Do you even know what voodoo is? I'll give you a hint, it's NOT like in the movies.

The map is not the territory = your perception of reality is not reality = the ego is not the entirety of the mind


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if you buy into this hippy wiccan idealism, then you need a good dose of reality.



besides, take your hippy wiccan idealism elsewhere, mycology is about hard scientific/biological data, not spirtualism and voodoo.

I can accept that some things are reality outside of my beliefs, but to buy into this occult bullshit is simply retarded.

druid shroom hunting, give me a break.






I don't really think you can accept that things are outside of your beliefs. If you could accept, then I don't think it would be 'hippy wiccan idealism' or 'occult bullshit' or 'druid shroom hunting'.

Do you even know what voodoo is? I'll give you a hint, it's NOT like in the movies.

The map is not the territory = your perception of reality is not reality = the ego is not the entirety of the mind




and no one will take you seriously when you spout out such ridiculous wiccan/hippy/voodoo idealism.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: jeetered]
    #7670943 - 11/23/07 03:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

If no one consists ONLY of closed-minded bigots, I'll deal with it.

And by the Way, Texas is a kick-ass place, if you know where to go.


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    #7671102 - 11/23/07 04:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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If no one consists ONLY of closed-minded bigots, I'll deal with it.

And by the Way, Texas is a kick-ass place, if you know where to go.




this is going off topic, just because i despise the way illegal aliens are draining american resources, has nothing to do with this thread, nor does the fact that texas sucks.

why lie to yourself and open your mind to ignorance?

dont mix this thread with my hate texas thread.


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    #7671127 - 11/23/07 04:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

A telemarketing statistics study foud that people responded more harshley to calls placed around the time of a full moon. The moon has an effect on us because we are almost completely made of water. What else is almost completely made of water that we talk about a lot here on the SHROOMery?


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    #7671211 - 11/23/07 04:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

... it's not going to increase potency, it's not going to increase yield, or size, it's going to have NO affect whatsoever.


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    #7671294 - 11/23/07 04:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You say that mycology is ALL about science. OK. Then how can you know that it's not going to have any effect? Where's your scientific data, Mr. Wizard?

You don't have any.

As for the full moon having an effect on people, ask any police officer, EMT, or emergency room doctor if people are affected by the full moon.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: jeetered]
    #7671308 - 11/23/07 04:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

We aren't talking about more potency, at least I am not.

But all the old mushroom hunters I know, (and yes their knowledge has been handed down the centuries, where I live mushrooms have been collected commercially since ancient Rome and consumed probably much earlier) take the moon into account when going hunting, as they claim that mushrooms pin more on a waxing moon and fruit prolifically on the first days of a waning moon.

Of course they take into account the autumn rains, they aren't stupid, but I respect the opinion of someone who has been hunting for mushrooms for 60 years and even though I myself am EXTREMELY skeptical of all this kind of thing, and certainly don't believe in any kind of mystical powers of the moon, I will not commit the mistake of thinking that our "modern" science has managed to explain everything yet.


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    #7671638 - 11/23/07 05:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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... it's not going to increase potency, it's not going to increase yield, or size, it's going to have NO affect whatsoever.




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If no one consists ONLY of closed-minded bigots, I'll deal with it.

And by the Way, Texas is a kick-ass place, if you know where to go.






dont mix this thread with my hate texas thread.




Jeetered............ I thought you were from Texas!?  :crying:


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    #7671799 - 11/23/07 06:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Oh I am not from texas. I simply lived here for the past 18 months.
I was born on the Cherokee Reservation in Cherokee North Carolina, along with all of my family since the beginning of time.

I can't stand texas. But i live here. If my wife would agree, we'd move back to Cherokee.


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    #7671868 - 11/23/07 06:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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h I am not from texas. I simply lived here for the past 18 months.
I was born on the Cherokee Reservation in Cherokee North Carolina, along with all of my family since the beginning of time.

I can't stand texas. But i live here. If my wife would agree, we'd move back to Cherokee.





Wow jeetered for an indian you are pretty skeptical of the powers of nature, lol


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    #7671872 - 11/23/07 06:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Personally I can see good in both science and other perspectives.

Jeetered, I respect the scientific approach. This is an observation which someone, of over 30 years cultivation experience, has put forward. Many years of observation doesn't necessarily make something right but surely it makes it worthy of consideration?

To me a scientist would now examine those observations and see if they could be replicated, proved or disproved, alongside suitable controls.


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    #7671876 - 11/23/07 06:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

If you convince your wife, I promise I'll convince MY WIFE. Let's go! Strangely enough, I was born in North Carolina also! Fayetteville to be exact!


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    #7671944 - 11/23/07 06:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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h I am not from texas. I simply lived here for the past 18 months.
I was born on the Cherokee Reservation in Cherokee North Carolina, along with all of my family since the beginning of time.

I can't stand texas. But i live here. If my wife would agree, we'd move back to Cherokee.





Wow jeetered for an indian you are pretty skeptical of the powers of nature, lol




First, there isn't a DOT ON MY HEAD, so im not an indian, I am a Native American.

Second, I am not skeptical of the powers of nature. I do however believe that the moon has no affect on mushrooms. There isn't enough water to be affected by gravitational pull. That's just science.

Just because I am native american does not mean I buy into any little whimsical mystical story.

This is the modern world, I do not run around with feathers in my hair, nor do I scalp white men, even though sometimes I want to.

this is 2007, not 1850.

I am college educated, I am modern, I live in a house. I drive a car, I don't ride a horse everywhere.

I do practice tradition for the sake of my family. If i did not, I wouldn't get my casino checks or land checks. Sad but true.

Would it make everyone more comfortable if I continually posted in my native language?

If i did, not one of you would know what I was saying.

so...

I am not tonto, please don't treat me as such, or generalize me as some mystic fucking shaman.


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    #7672023 - 11/23/07 07:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

dude, chill out...no one that I can see is generalizing you as a fucking shaman...they would have to be stupid to after reading your posts.

Are you really that sensitive to being called an Indian? I'm no expert, but the Indians I"ve talked to had no problem being called Indians.

Regardless how can you be such a whiny bitch after your previous posts calling other ethnicities all manner of derogatory names? I'll answer my own question--hypocrite.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: thedeez]
    #7672083 - 11/23/07 07:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

This has gotten so far off topic it's not even funny. The Flaming needs to stop. If we cannot add to this thread in a constructive manner, we need to stop posting.

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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: thedeez]
    #7672147 - 11/23/07 07:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

If the moon can have such a profound effect on the oceans, it seems strange for someone who preaches the virtues of pure science to summarily rule out any possible effect on a mycelium network that might stretch for miles and weigh hundreds of tons, 90% of which is water.

Closed minds get one nowhere. Obviously, any discussion is simply wondering 'what if', but to dismiss as irrelevant the moon cycles that farmers have known and used for thousands of years of crop growing is somewhat hard to understand. I suppose folks who dismiss the unknown, also dismiss any possibility that the effects we feel from our mushrooms are any more than just a simple chemical reaction in our brains. Sad.
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    #7672157 - 11/23/07 07:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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h I am not from texas. I simply lived here for the past 18 months.
I was born on the Cherokee Reservation in Cherokee North Carolina, along with all of my family since the beginning of time.

I can't stand texas. But i live here. If my wife would agree, we'd move back to Cherokee.





Wow jeetered for an indian you are pretty skeptical of the powers of nature, lol




First, there isn't a DOT ON MY HEAD, so im not an indian, I am a Native American.

Second, I am not skeptical of the powers of nature. I do however believe that the moon has no affect on mushrooms. There isn't enough water to be affected by gravitational pull. That's just science.

Just because I am native american does not mean I buy into any little whimsical mystical story.

This is the modern world, I do not run around with feathers in my hair, nor do I scalp white men, even though sometimes I want to.

this is 2007, not 1850.

I am college educated, I am modern, I live in a house. I drive a car, I don't ride a horse everywhere.

I do practice tradition for the sake of my family. If i did not, I wouldn't get my casino checks or land checks. Sad but true.

Would it make everyone more comfortable if I continually posted in my native language?

If i did, not one of you would know what I was saying.

so...

I am not tonto, please don't treat me as such, or generalize me as some mystic fucking shaman.




Wow wow wow Jeetered, in no way was I trying to offend you or implying you were tonto.

If I referred to you as Indian instead of Native American it was only because I didn't really know there was an issue with the subject as I am not American and the only guy I know who is Native American calls himself an Indian or American Indian.

And the whole reason behind my observation was to comment on the fact that being a member of a people who are commonly known as highly regarding of the forces of nature you seem to not believe in them much.

But then I suppose that if I followed in my family traditions i should believe in a woman that gives birth without no sex and a zombie who can multiply bread and fishes, so my wrong.

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    #7672876 - 11/23/07 11:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I don’t get it either RR.

How about a survey?

Those with “OMG !! 16 days and no signs of growth”

along with “OMG 3 days and already 20% colonized”

type of experience check your notes. Note the inoculation / transfer dates and reference a Moon Phase calendar to see if there is any coincidental correlation?

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    #7672982 - 11/23/07 11:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I don’t get it either RR.

How about a survey?

Those with “OMG !! 16 days and no signs of growth”

along with “OMG 3 days and already 20% colonized”

type of experience check your notes. Note the inoculation / transfer dates and reference a Moon Phase calendar to see if there is any coincidental correlation?

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    #7673174 - 11/24/07 01:11 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

jeetered,

Look up the definition of “science” the foundation from which you preach.

After that, think about the definition for a few minutes and describe to me how your pseudo scientific ideology is any different from the hippie wiccan ideology you preach against.

Odd that someone who is supposedly college educated managed an oversight of your magnitude. You’re a formal hypocrite my friend, preaching your opinion just as blindly as you’re opponents here.

If you cant provide us any scientific observations or experiments solely concerning mushroom growth and moon cycles, than you can’t speak against it in the name of science.

Science isn’t something you can just make up, its sole existence is based on observation and experimentation, for without that it’s just another religion.

As of right now, without experiments conducted, science has no opinion. So leave it out of you’re argument.


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    #7673283 - 11/24/07 01:50 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think there are just so many variables that effect everything around us. However somethings have a more profound effect than others, and because some things have no imediate or large effect we tend to ignore the much larger picture that this the life is based on complex interactions between all biotic and abiotic factors in our world. Whether you look at a habitat or a biome, one thing is always true. Everything is connected to everything else.


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    #7673447 - 11/24/07 03:06 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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The moon has an effect on us because we are almost completely made of water.




Humans almost completely made of water? I don't know about where you live, but where I live, men have about 70% of the body mass in water and women around 60% due to a higher proportion of body fat.


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If the moon can have such a profound effect on the oceans, it seems strange for someone who preaches the virtues of pure science to summarily rule out any possible effect on a mycelium network that might stretch for miles and weigh hundreds of tons, 90% of which is water.





But the moon has only an effect on large, free moving areas of water, the oceans, in the form of a tide.

The moon has no measurable effect on a tub of water, or a glass of water. There is no special special effect of moon on water as a chemical compound.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: Anno]
    #7673542 - 11/24/07 05:17 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

your pftek cakes are not a mycelial map with thousands of miles of network..


its a half pint cake. that holds not enough moisture for the moon to affect.


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    #7673547 - 11/24/07 05:21 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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If the moon can have such a profound effect on the oceans, it seems strange for someone who preaches the virtues of pure science to summarily rule out any possible effect on a mycelium network that might stretch for miles and weigh hundreds of tons, 90% of which is water.

Closed minds get one nowhere. Obviously, any discussion is simply wondering 'what if', but to dismiss as irrelevant the moon cycles that farmers have known and used for thousands of years of crop growing is somewhat hard to understand. I suppose folks who dismiss the unknown, also dismiss any possibility that the effects we feel from our mushrooms are any more than just a simple chemical reaction in our brains. Sad.
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having an open mind to falsehoods gets you no where but lying to yourself.

There is absolutely NO UNKNOWN INVOLVED and it is JUST THAT, a chemical reaction in the brain, your brain responding to the affects of 4-ho-dmt. Nothing more, nothing less.

this mass hallucination that there is an unknown is simply fantastical, why lie to yourself? lying to yourself is unhealthy.

Do you know why the moon is watched for planting crops???

BECAUSE, full, waxing, and waning moons provide lots of light.

and how is it sad, that i do not lie to myself, and believe it?
I as well as many others would call that "healthy"


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    #7673553 - 11/24/07 05:30 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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dude, chill out...no one that I can see is generalizing you as a fucking shaman...they would have to be stupid to after reading your posts.

Are you really that sensitive to being called an Indian? I'm no expert, but the Indians I"ve talked to had no problem being called Indians.

Regardless how can you be such a whiny bitch after your previous posts calling other ethnicities all manner of derogatory names? I'll answer my own question--hypocrite.




I never denied that thread, therefore, I am not a hypocrite. I dislike illegal aliens, and an entire state, and soon to be country for bowing down to them, my opinion, NOT FACT, opinion, is that they should shot as soon as their feet hit the ground, i don't deny that.

There are so many "indians" from india now in america, that 99% of the reservation, does not want to be generalized as a "dot head indian" therefore, Native American is the more politically correct term, considering, colombus discovered america, not india...


omfg, you people call me stupid?
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such a whiny bitch




have I called a SINGLE PERSON a derogatory name???

no, not one of you.

this isn't OTD, i reserve that kind of stuff for OTD.

now, again, dont confuse or mix this tread with "Texas and it's suckdom"

this is cultivation, not OTD.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: jeetered]
    #7673560 - 11/24/07 05:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

anything i find to try to support your moon theory, starts as "The Enchantment of the MOON"

so i quit reading right there, there is no fucking enhantment involved.
it's the moon, not some fairy goddess whom blesses things with her magickal faery star dust and moon wand.

we aren't kids anymore, living in wonderland, we are adults.
santa clause isn't real, the easter bunny is dead.

come on now people, get real.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: Anno]
    #7673598 - 11/24/07 06:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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But the moon has only an effect on large, free moving areas of water, the oceans, in the form of a tide.




Like your GF/Wife’s menstrual cycle?

Honestly, the Moon phasing is simply a time piece. There are greater energies at work than are currently understood. But then, I don’t believe in gravity anyway.

I have not put any faith in “Gravity” since Junior High School. I told my Earth Science teacher that gravitational mass attraction didn’t make much sense to me. We were more like fuzz balls stuck on a statically charged comb. That got me a nice dressing down in class.

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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: JaComet]
    #7673741 - 11/24/07 07:33 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Lest truth be lost in all this emotion, it should be noted that nobody has said that the moon has an effect on our mycelium, especially me. I've seen no evidence of it whatsoever. My only objection is the dismissal of the possibility due to pre-conceived opinion. Such is not science, but religion.

Jeetered, make another racist statement about dot-heads and you're going to feel my wrath. Your ancestors walked across on a land bridge, my ancestors came across on a boat, and the so-called illegals you despise swim and walk across a river. There ARE NO native americans. That term is an insult to our intellegence. Human life did not evolve in the western hemisphere. Check your racism and hatred at the door please.
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    #7673785 - 11/24/07 07:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Lest truth be lost in all this emotion, it should be noted that nobody has said that the moon has an effect on our mycelium, especially me. I've seen no evidence of it whatsoever. My only objection is the dismissal of the possibility due to pre-conceived opinion. Such is not science, but religion.

Jeetered, make another racist statement about dot-heads and you're going to feel my wrath. Your ancestors walked across on a land bridge, my ancestors came across on a boat, and the so-called illegals you despise swim and walk across a river. There ARE NO native americans. That term is an insult to our intellegence. Human life did not evolve in the western hemisphere. Check your racism and hatred at the door please.
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My ancestors did NOT walk across a land bridge.
I am not a racist, I am anti illegal alien.
and it's "intelligence" not intellegence.
the term "dot head indian" was to seperate the two.
You are incorrect about there being "no native americans".

anyhow.

the moon has no affect on pftek jars.
enough said, simply put, fact.

Ever since I stopped indulging in marijuana and opiates, i seem to have no tolerance for fantastical idealsim about the unknown, now that I am completely sober, I see through all of the hippy pipe dream bullshit.

This site is about spreading ACCURATE information, not fantastical ideals that voodoo chicken bones help mycelium grow.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: jeetered]
    #7673863 - 11/24/07 08:25 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.planetfusion.co.uk/~pignut/Lunar_gardening.html

this is interesting reading .. I remember watching a show about how corals know when to mate because of the full moon ..

this link above talks about the moon's cycles on plants .


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    #7675057 - 11/24/07 03:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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the moon has no affect on pftek jars.
enough said, simply put, fact.




So has that been scientifically proven or is that your belief?


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    #7675281 - 11/24/07 05:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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the moon has no affect on pftek jars.
enough said, simply put, fact.




So has that been scientifically proven or is that your belief?




use your common sense.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: thedeez]
    #7675826 - 11/24/07 07:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Plants yes( see links), fungi no (unless your talking about yeast,then no.)

http://www.plantea.com/planting-moon-phases.htm
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    #7676474 - 11/24/07 11:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The late Tarrence Mckenna (sp?) and many others as well as myself believe humanity in its infancy was influenced largely by the sacred mushroom and would use them accordingly to a lunar calendar. So maybe its not the mushrooms that are reacting, but you simply perceiving your own hardwired instincts wrong.


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    #7676513 - 11/25/07 12:15 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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The late Tarrence Mckenna (sp?) and many others as well as myself believe humanity in its infancy was influenced largely by the sacred mushroom and would use them accordingly to a lunar calendar. So maybe its not the mushrooms that are reacting, but you simply perceiving your own hardwired instincts wrong.




.... mckenna is a quack. not one person took him seriously. "the stoned ape theory" my ass.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: poot]
    #7676518 - 11/25/07 12:18 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

oh, my, i dont even feel like i belong in this thread i dont want to come out with a black eye


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    #7677178 - 11/25/07 08:42 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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the moon has no affect on pftek jars.
enough said, simply put, fact.




So has that been scientifically proven or is that your belief?




use your common sense.



As you offer no scientific proof apart from your gut instinct, I have no alternative but to put it down as your belief. Belief, not fact until proved or disproved, making it as equally valid as someone else's beliefs.

I tend to think your gut instinct may be correct here, but I don't know for sure and nor do you.

Shouting down others beliefs is the path to bigotry, and I think you are better than that.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: shaggydogman]
    #7677199 - 11/25/07 08:59 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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mckenna is a quack. not one person took him seriously




Obviously a lot more folks more took him seriously than take you seriously. You remind me of one of those religious fanatics who is always trying to force the rest of us into his narrow frame of mind without the slightest bit of evidence other than, "I say so and if you don't believe it, you're a quack".

Nobody has said there is a lunar effect on fungi, and I've personally never seen one. This thread is to reflect on the possibility, not to hear your close minded insults based on personal dogma on every page. Back out now if you have no evidence to back your emphatic claims.


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use your common sense.




Which is exactly what prevented early mariners from sailing too far out to sea. It was obvious to anyone at the time with common sense, that they would fall off the edge of the flat earth. Perhaps nobody had any common sense until the late sixteenth century?
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    #7677611 - 11/25/07 11:38 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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mckenna is a quack. not one person took him seriously




Obviously a lot more folks more took him seriously than take you seriously. You remind me of one of those religious fanatics who is always trying to force the rest of us into his narrow frame of mind without the slightest bit of evidence other than, "I say so and if you don't believe it, you're a quack".

Nobody has said there is a lunar effect on fungi, and I've personally never seen one. This thread is to reflect on the possibility, not to hear your close minded insults based on personal dogma on every page. Back out now if you have no evidence to back your emphatic claims.


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use your common sense.




Which is exactly what prevented early mariners from sailing too far out to sea. It was obvious to anyone at the time with common sense, that they would fall off the edge of the flat earth. Perhaps nobody had any common sense until the late sixteenth century?
RR




too bad i believe religion is a mass hallucination also, and men have been lying to themselves for the better part of a millennium.

I am not being narrow minded, so stop accusing me of it, I am being realistic.

again,

this site, IS for spreading accurate info.

Not only do I think mckenna is a quack, but pretty much everyone else in every field of philosophy.

not saying he wasn't interesting.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: jeetered]
    #7677613 - 11/25/07 11:39 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

RR it is unlike you to attack someone personally.

dont ask me for facts, when you yourselves cannot show any.

the moon affects tides, not pftek jars.

that is fact.


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    #7677624 - 11/25/07 11:43 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Not only do I think mckenna is a quack, but pretty much everyone else in every field of philosophy.


hmmmmmmm

there is a war on drugs....... you know what that means? There is a war......... and the people on drugs are winning it.... bill hicks, major quack job.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: jeetered]
    #7677648 - 11/25/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

RR hasn't claimed that the moon affects mycelium he just has said he is open to the possibility that it could have something to do even if he hasn't got evidence that it does.


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    #7678096 - 11/25/07 02:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: jeetered]
    #7678810 - 11/25/07 04:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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dont ask me for facts, when you yourselves cannot show any.
the moon affects tides, not pftek jars.
that is fact.




Don't ask you for facts? Why not? You have such a strong opinion on the subject, it leads me to think you must have some really strong evidence to back it up. Evidence I and many others would love to hear to help us work out if this is something worth investigating further.

You spend a lot of time doing good work donating spores to the community, for which many people are very grateful. I personally think the ideology you showed in wanting to keep your strain free was fantastic. So why is such a sharing character not willing to share now?

The other side of the debate has presented quite eloquently their 34 years worth of 'admittedly subjective observations' which I feel really don't deserve the manner of utter contempt with which you have dismissed them.

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From experience. I’ve been growing various higher fungi since June of 1974. Several years later my lab notes indicated faster and healthier colorizations that correlated somehow to transfers made at the dark of the Moon. Don’t even remember how I first noticed this trend. Later experience in the garden led me to employ classic Moon Phase timing to mushroom cultivation.

I began planning inoculations from stored cultures to coincide accordingly. As I persisted in this practice I was rewarded with consistent performance in cultivation. Six weeks from initial transfer to grain (using pints), expanding to quarts, laying in trays (no bulk substrates then), casing, to fruit. This brought my 1st flushes out around the second following Full Moon!

The Koi Samui “Fool Moon” festivals seem to support the Full Moon as preferred fruiting periods. Timing transfer procedures and casing on days suggested for killing pests/weeds (when possible) just seems to help achieve that observed 1st fruiting period.

Admittedly subjective observations.




I think you have something to learn here and it has nothing to do with the moon.


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    #7678816 - 11/25/07 04:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

that isn't proof, and i still dismiss it.


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    #7679018 - 11/25/07 05:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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that isn't proof, and i still dismiss it.



Agreed, it is observation as stated and also someones belief. The observation raises the issue for scientists that there may be a correlation. I put a lot of my belief in science and it doesn't dismiss observation without due investigation and experimentation.

With the lack of hard science on either side of this debate it remains firmly in the realms of belief. I feel that when something is in the realms of belief that it should be respected. I respect your belief that it is false and I respect JaComet's belief that it is true. After all without hard facts on either side we are dealing in belief here which ultimately everyone is entitled to.

I respect you as a member of the community and would not be wasting my time typing this otherwise so please don't take this in the wrong way.

I am an atheist and my wife, when I married her, was an atheist. After a few years of marriage she became 'born again'. She spent seven years believing until she decided, after much study, that she didn't believe in the Christian faith anymore. I went through a lot in those seven years and the one thing I came out of it with was an understanding that there is a huge difference between belief and fact.

I started out dismissive, my beliefs were so strong there is no way I could have been wrong. It made me angry. I challenged her beliefs, she challenged mine. We argued. I was right she was wrong!!! She was right I was wrong!!! Ultimately neither of us had any fact only belief. Once I could accept and respect her belief, regardless of it being in direct contradiction to my own, peace was found. It was a very valuable lesson for me.


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    #7679184 - 11/25/07 06:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'll probably regret stepping in on this flame war but....

So far Anno has come closest to describing the effect of the moon on water.

The real answer is there is no actually effect on the oceans by the moon. The tides are not caused by the moon pulling water towards it. If that was the case there would only be 2 tides instead of four. (water facing the moon would be high, the rest low)
Though the real problem here is that the moon doesn't actually orbit the earth. The earth and the moon actually orbit a spot between both their centers of mass.

Now since the moon is only about 1% of the mass of the earth, that point they both orbit is inside the earth, but not actually the earths center. This makes the earth sort of wobble around. The earth and moon do tear at each other, in fact at one time the dark side of the moon was visible from earth, but the earth pulled at it till it became "face locked" with the earth. Someday the earth will be face locked to the moon so it will only be seen from one side of the planet. But thats not important for this topic so...

The tides are actually the result of the earth wobbling about as much as the moon. The oceans bulge at certain points due to the centrifugal force pushing the water out and the free fall effect of the water on the sides. As the earth spins the oceans slowly move through these different sides and the water is pushed out or falls in.

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    #7679270 - 11/25/07 06:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I never thought my hobby of mycology and astronomy would find common ground LOL




they don't

the moon has not a damn thing to do with mycology.
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    #7679286 - 11/25/07 06:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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mckenna is a quack. not one person took him seriously




Obviously a lot more folks more took him seriously than take you seriously. You remind me of one of those religious fanatics who is always trying to force the rest of us into his narrow frame of mind without the slightest bit of evidence other than, "I say so and if you don't believe it, you're a quack".

Nobody has said there is a lunar effect on fungi, and I've personally never seen one. This thread is to reflect on the possibility, not to hear your close minded insults based on personal dogma on every page. Back out now if you have no evidence to back your emphatic claims.


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use your common sense.




Which is exactly what prevented early mariners from sailing too far out to sea. It was obvious to anyone at the time with common sense, that they would fall off the edge of the flat earth. Perhaps nobody had any common sense until the late sixteenth century?
RR





I'm going out on a limb here...

RR, i am sick and tired of you telling me in public, and in private messages, what the fuck i can and cannot say. Who the fuck are you to tell me what I can and cannot type?

you are a mod, not god.

If you ban me over this, it is because you are offended, this isn't a bannable post. I read the rules before posting this.

you have your style, i have mine, DO NOT tell me what i can and cannot type again.

and quit telling me in PM that not posting is sometimes better then posting, if that works for you, then that works for you. It doesn't for me, i like to spread accurate info, not "buy my dvd"


... never compare my intelligence to that of the early days when the world was flat, never again.

I have simply stated

the MOON HAS NO AFFECT ON FUCKING PFTEK JARS.

and about taking mckenna more seriously then me, do you see me trying to get that notoriety? I AM NOT trying to be known as that kind of person... mckenna was a twit that ate too many shrooms from asbestos laden vermiculite. I laugh at what i read about/by him more then i learn. FURTHERMORE I don't even fucking eat the mushrooms i grow. Maybe once in a year, this quack thought it should be a daily thing.
If you have to use drugs on a daily basis to make a foundation for your existence, YOU NEED FUCKING REHAB!!!

anyone that thinks mushrooms (4-ho-dmt) is any more then a chemical reaction in the brain, is simply lying to themselves, it's chemistry, not fucking mystical.

If someone actually takes him seriously they need a fucking shrink.

get real old man and kick the drugs.

the moon has no affect on inoculating jars, if you do follow moon cycles, and you get fruits the next full moon, ITS BECAUSE IT TAKES A MONTH TO GO FROM SPORE TO FRUIT JESUS!@ it's not fucking mystical, it's the life cycle.

goodness me.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: jeetered]
    #7683010 - 11/26/07 06:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)


Solar energy pattern.

Impacts Magnetosphere.

Interacts with planet core flux.

Now, just add a moon.

On the Source of Lunar Limb Compressions

Originally Published In:
J. Geophys. Res., 80, 4700-4711, 1975.

C. T. Russell and B. R. Lichtenstein

Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics, University of California, Los Angeles, California 90024


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: JaComet]
    #7683235 - 11/26/07 07:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I get the eerie feeling that I somehow got warped into the OTD forum somehow while still being able to see the dimension of the cultivation forum. This is such a bad dream, I must wake up! I refuse to believe that it has come to this. Soooo Sad.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: jeetered]
    #7683381 - 11/26/07 08:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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if you buy into this hippy wiccan idealism, then you need a good dose of reality.



besides, take your hippy wiccan idealism elsewhere, mycology is about hard scientific/biological data, not spirtualism and voodoo.

I can accept that some things are reality outside of my beliefs, but to buy into this occult bullshit is simply retarded.

druid shroom hunting, give me a break.






I don't really think you can accept that things are outside of your beliefs. If you could accept, then I don't think it would be 'hippy wiccan idealism' or 'occult bullshit' or 'druid shroom hunting'.

Do you even know what voodoo is? I'll give you a hint, it's NOT like in the movies.

The map is not the territory = your perception of reality is not reality = the ego is not the entirety of the mind




and no one will take you seriously when you spout out such ridiculous wiccan/hippy/voodoo idealism.




...hold on a second, what he just said was very logical, or, the opposite of what I think you are implying in using the words hippy, etc.
There must clearly be many varied aspects of reality we are and cannot be aware of, in our selves or in our accepted science, as of yet. This is obvious to the greatest of scientists as well as to myself, and I would hope you too as well? I mean, do you think that you know everything significat there is to know about reality? If so, perhaps question your standards of significance , meaning and imagination.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: jeetered]
    #7683449 - 11/26/07 08:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

jeetered, you wrote:
"...anyone that thinks mushrooms (4-ho-dmt) is any more then a chemical reaction in the brain, is simply lying to themselves, it's chemistry, not fucking mystical."

I say it depends on how you define the word 'mystical'. You seem to believe that everything meaningful comes down to a chemical reaction in the brain. As if the beauty of a Monet painting comes down to the chemicals that make up the paint and their combination. Your writing such ridiculous things with such conviction and passion does not make it truth. Just because you believe in so little does not mean that there is less to believe in, which I do.
Also, what's your beef with RR? He's so respectful, helpful, consistent and knowledgeable IMO. What have you contributed in this thread besides skepticism and sarcasm without any more objective backup than age old discoveries of obvious truths such as the moon is a rock? How's about something new that's potentially real, or at least imaginative? Or even a hint of encouragement to someone trying to believe beyond the nose on their face?


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: treeyei]
    #7683465 - 11/26/07 08:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

this has strayed far from cultivation and is now a multi-sided butt-plug in which we can either mount and continue, or we can lock this stupid thread.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: poot]
    #7683542 - 11/26/07 09:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I always wanted to wear a funny little hat and live in Canadia. Mount up poot  :moose:


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #7683753 - 11/26/07 10:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

hey jeetered
i read your quote:
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...anyone that thinks mushrooms (4-ho-dmt) is any more then a chemical reaction in the brain, is simply lying to themselves, it's chemistry, not fucking mystical.




you sound like me, ie have a scientific mind, so i highly recommend a book called The Self-Aware Universe. The author goes into this and does not accept that we and reality are just a bunch of sub-atomic particles bouncing around in space. He claims that consciousness (what a lot of people would consider a "mystical" concept) is the ground of all being, rather than matter. In other words our consciousness is primary, while matter and the "chemistry" of matter are secondary. That is not to say matter is not real, it just helps to understand that it is secondary to consciousness.


In a way i think mushrooms provide experiential evidence to this belief. Let me know what you guys think...


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: mountain air]
    #7683796 - 11/26/07 10:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

This thread needs to be put down like a sick dog. Peacefully


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: mountain air]
    #7683815 - 11/26/07 10:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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hey jeetered
i read your quote:
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...anyone that thinks mushrooms (4-ho-dmt) is any more then a chemical reaction in the brain, is simply lying to themselves, it's chemistry, not fucking mystical.




you sound like me, ie have a scientific mind, so i highly recommend a book called The Self-Aware Universe. The author goes into this and does not accept that we and reality are just a bunch of sub-atomic particles bouncing around in space. He claims that consciousness (what a lot of people would consider a "mystical" concept) is the ground of all being, rather than matter. In other words our consciousness is primary, while matter and the "chemistry" of matter are secondary. That is not to say matter is not real, it just helps to understand that it is secondary to consciousness.


In a way i think mushrooms provide experiential evidence to this belief. Let me know what you guys think...




wow that's very cool! It reminds of reading, long ago, an author CS Lewis talking about his opinion that 'spirit' must be literally heavier than 'matter', somehow, if it is from 'spirit' that 'matter' originates from. That this is only logical and the details are up for discovery and speculation. (...something like that...it sure made a big impression on my view of life at the time:)


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: treeyei]
    #7683863 - 11/26/07 10:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i scraped my balls and used the jelly to inoculate a pf-tek jar. ill see mushrooms before this thread is dealt with properly by our PART-TIME moderators.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: poot]
    #7683894 - 11/26/07 11:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

PART-TIME moderators huh? How long did it take a mod to see this?

Listen expert, we try very hard to moderate threads here, not police or shut them down. If I have to shut it down, I will. I also try hard to fix what's broken before bringing down the ban hammer. Usually a pm to an offending person will set things straight. Other times not, but the staff is here and watching. If we leave it up, we get bitched at for being PART-TIME, if we shut it down, ten other people would bitch that we're censoring information. What gives?
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: poot]
    #7683899 - 11/26/07 11:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

:glittershitz:


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7684224 - 11/27/07 12:33 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

hey is tap water OK for shiitake myc RR?


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: poot]
    #7704271 - 12/01/07 08:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I want to apologize for any attacks on anyones beliefs.
That is all I have left to add to this thread.

Monet is one of my favorite artists, so that's the second thing, and comparing him to my quote about 4-ho-dmt seems unjust.

art and drugs are two different things.

poot tap water should be fine unless you live close to mexico.


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: jeetered]
    #7704434 - 12/01/07 09:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

im using spring water now... thanks though, now i know.. seems a peace pipe is in order for the participants of this thread. i light and pass the toke along to all-


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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: poot]
    #7704588 - 12/01/07 10:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

accepts and passes to the left.


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