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jeetered
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7673785 - 11/24/07 07:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Lest truth be lost in all this emotion, it should be noted that nobody has said that the moon has an effect on our mycelium, especially me. I've seen no evidence of it whatsoever. My only objection is the dismissal of the possibility due to pre-conceived opinion. Such is not science, but religion.
Jeetered, make another racist statement about dot-heads and you're going to feel my wrath. Your ancestors walked across on a land bridge, my ancestors came across on a boat, and the so-called illegals you despise swim and walk across a river. There ARE NO native americans. That term is an insult to our intellegence. Human life did not evolve in the western hemisphere. Check your racism and hatred at the door please. RR
My ancestors did NOT walk across a land bridge. I am not a racist, I am anti illegal alien. and it's "intelligence" not intellegence. the term "dot head indian" was to seperate the two. You are incorrect about there being "no native americans".
anyhow.
the moon has no affect on pftek jars. enough said, simply put, fact.
Ever since I stopped indulging in marijuana and opiates, i seem to have no tolerance for fantastical idealsim about the unknown, now that I am completely sober, I see through all of the hippy pipe dream bullshit.
This site is about spreading ACCURATE information, not fantastical ideals that voodoo chicken bones help mycelium grow.
Edited by jeetered (11/24/07 08:01 AM)
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: jeetered]
#7673863 - 11/24/07 08:25 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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http://www.planetfusion.co.uk/~pignut/Lunar_gardening.html
this is interesting reading .. I remember watching a show about how corals know when to mate because of the full moon ..
this link above talks about the moon's cycles on plants .
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: jeetered]
#7675057 - 11/24/07 03:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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jeetered said: the moon has no affect on pftek jars. enough said, simply put, fact.
So has that been scientifically proven or is that your belief?
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jeetered
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jeetered said: the moon has no affect on pftek jars. enough said, simply put, fact.
So has that been scientifically proven or is that your belief?
use your common sense.
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: thedeez]
#7675826 - 11/24/07 07:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: cupevampe]
#7676474 - 11/24/07 11:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The late Tarrence Mckenna (sp?) and many others as well as myself believe humanity in its infancy was influenced largely by the sacred mushroom and would use them accordingly to a lunar calendar. So maybe its not the mushrooms that are reacting, but you simply perceiving your own hardwired instincts wrong.
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: poot]
#7676513 - 11/25/07 12:15 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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poot said: The late Tarrence Mckenna (sp?) and many others as well as myself believe humanity in its infancy was influenced largely by the sacred mushroom and would use them accordingly to a lunar calendar. So maybe its not the mushrooms that are reacting, but you simply perceiving your own hardwired instincts wrong.
.... mckenna is a quack. not one person took him seriously. "the stoned ape theory" my ass.
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: poot]
#7676518 - 11/25/07 12:18 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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oh, my, i dont even feel like i belong in this thread i dont want to come out with a black eye
*leaves in peace*
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: jeetered]
#7677178 - 11/25/07 08:42 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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jeetered said: the moon has no affect on pftek jars. enough said, simply put, fact.
So has that been scientifically proven or is that your belief?
use your common sense.
As you offer no scientific proof apart from your gut instinct, I have no alternative but to put it down as your belief. Belief, not fact until proved or disproved, making it as equally valid as someone else's beliefs.
I tend to think your gut instinct may be correct here, but I don't know for sure and nor do you.
Shouting down others beliefs is the path to bigotry, and I think you are better than that.
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mckenna is a quack. not one person took him seriously
Obviously a lot more folks more took him seriously than take you seriously. You remind me of one of those religious fanatics who is always trying to force the rest of us into his narrow frame of mind without the slightest bit of evidence other than, "I say so and if you don't believe it, you're a quack".
Nobody has said there is a lunar effect on fungi, and I've personally never seen one. This thread is to reflect on the possibility, not to hear your close minded insults based on personal dogma on every page. Back out now if you have no evidence to back your emphatic claims.
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use your common sense.
Which is exactly what prevented early mariners from sailing too far out to sea. It was obvious to anyone at the time with common sense, that they would fall off the edge of the flat earth. Perhaps nobody had any common sense until the late sixteenth century? RR
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7677611 - 11/25/07 11:38 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
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mckenna is a quack. not one person took him seriously
Obviously a lot more folks more took him seriously than take you seriously. You remind me of one of those religious fanatics who is always trying to force the rest of us into his narrow frame of mind without the slightest bit of evidence other than, "I say so and if you don't believe it, you're a quack".
Nobody has said there is a lunar effect on fungi, and I've personally never seen one. This thread is to reflect on the possibility, not to hear your close minded insults based on personal dogma on every page. Back out now if you have no evidence to back your emphatic claims.
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use your common sense.
Which is exactly what prevented early mariners from sailing too far out to sea. It was obvious to anyone at the time with common sense, that they would fall off the edge of the flat earth. Perhaps nobody had any common sense until the late sixteenth century? RR
too bad i believe religion is a mass hallucination also, and men have been lying to themselves for the better part of a millennium.
I am not being narrow minded, so stop accusing me of it, I am being realistic.
again,
this site, IS for spreading accurate info.
Not only do I think mckenna is a quack, but pretty much everyone else in every field of philosophy.
not saying he wasn't interesting.
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: jeetered]
#7677613 - 11/25/07 11:39 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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RR it is unlike you to attack someone personally.
dont ask me for facts, when you yourselves cannot show any.
the moon affects tides, not pftek jars.
that is fact.
Edited by jeetered (11/25/07 11:40 AM)
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: jeetered]
#7677624 - 11/25/07 11:43 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not only do I think mckenna is a quack, but pretty much everyone else in every field of philosophy.
hmmmmmmm
there is a war on drugs....... you know what that means? There is a war......... and the people on drugs are winning it.... bill hicks, major quack job.
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: jeetered]
#7677648 - 11/25/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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RR hasn't claimed that the moon affects mycelium he just has said he is open to the possibility that it could have something to do even if he hasn't got evidence that it does.
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: Nibin]
#7678096 - 11/25/07 02:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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This thread rocks keep it up!
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: jeetered]
#7678810 - 11/25/07 04:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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jeetered said: dont ask me for facts, when you yourselves cannot show any. the moon affects tides, not pftek jars. that is fact.
Don't ask you for facts? Why not? You have such a strong opinion on the subject, it leads me to think you must have some really strong evidence to back it up. Evidence I and many others would love to hear to help us work out if this is something worth investigating further.
You spend a lot of time doing good work donating spores to the community, for which many people are very grateful. I personally think the ideology you showed in wanting to keep your strain free was fantastic. So why is such a sharing character not willing to share now?
The other side of the debate has presented quite eloquently their 34 years worth of 'admittedly subjective observations' which I feel really don't deserve the manner of utter contempt with which you have dismissed them.
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JaComet said: From experience. I’ve been growing various higher fungi since June of 1974. Several years later my lab notes indicated faster and healthier colorizations that correlated somehow to transfers made at the dark of the Moon. Don’t even remember how I first noticed this trend. Later experience in the garden led me to employ classic Moon Phase timing to mushroom cultivation.
I began planning inoculations from stored cultures to coincide accordingly. As I persisted in this practice I was rewarded with consistent performance in cultivation. Six weeks from initial transfer to grain (using pints), expanding to quarts, laying in trays (no bulk substrates then), casing, to fruit. This brought my 1st flushes out around the second following Full Moon!
The Koi Samui “Fool Moon” festivals seem to support the Full Moon as preferred fruiting periods. Timing transfer procedures and casing on days suggested for killing pests/weeds (when possible) just seems to help achieve that observed 1st fruiting period.
Admittedly subjective observations.
I think you have something to learn here and it has nothing to do with the moon.
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that isn't proof, and i still dismiss it.
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: jeetered]
#7679018 - 11/25/07 05:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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jeetered said: that isn't proof, and i still dismiss it.
Agreed, it is observation as stated and also someones belief. The observation raises the issue for scientists that there may be a correlation. I put a lot of my belief in science and it doesn't dismiss observation without due investigation and experimentation.
With the lack of hard science on either side of this debate it remains firmly in the realms of belief. I feel that when something is in the realms of belief that it should be respected. I respect your belief that it is false and I respect JaComet's belief that it is true. After all without hard facts on either side we are dealing in belief here which ultimately everyone is entitled to.
I respect you as a member of the community and would not be wasting my time typing this otherwise so please don't take this in the wrong way.
I am an atheist and my wife, when I married her, was an atheist. After a few years of marriage she became 'born again'. She spent seven years believing until she decided, after much study, that she didn't believe in the Christian faith anymore. I went through a lot in those seven years and the one thing I came out of it with was an understanding that there is a huge difference between belief and fact.
I started out dismissive, my beliefs were so strong there is no way I could have been wrong. It made me angry. I challenged her beliefs, she challenged mine. We argued. I was right she was wrong!!! She was right I was wrong!!! Ultimately neither of us had any fact only belief. Once I could accept and respect her belief, regardless of it being in direct contradiction to my own, peace was found. It was a very valuable lesson for me.
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Edited by shaggydogman (11/25/07 05:17 PM)
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7679184 - 11/25/07 06:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'll probably regret stepping in on this flame war but....
So far Anno has come closest to describing the effect of the moon on water.
The real answer is there is no actually effect on the oceans by the moon. The tides are not caused by the moon pulling water towards it. If that was the case there would only be 2 tides instead of four. (water facing the moon would be high, the rest low) Though the real problem here is that the moon doesn't actually orbit the earth. The earth and the moon actually orbit a spot between both their centers of mass.
Now since the moon is only about 1% of the mass of the earth, that point they both orbit is inside the earth, but not actually the earths center. This makes the earth sort of wobble around. The earth and moon do tear at each other, in fact at one time the dark side of the moon was visible from earth, but the earth pulled at it till it became "face locked" with the earth. Someday the earth will be face locked to the moon so it will only be seen from one side of the planet. But thats not important for this topic so...
The tides are actually the result of the earth wobbling about as much as the moon. The oceans bulge at certain points due to the centrifugal force pushing the water out and the free fall effect of the water on the sides. As the earth spins the oceans slowly move through these different sides and the water is pushed out or falls in.
I never thought my hobby of mycology and astronomy would find common ground LOL
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: CoolMojo]
#7679270 - 11/25/07 06:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I never thought my hobby of mycology and astronomy would find common ground LOL
they don't
the moon has not a damn thing to do with mycology. unless you're some hippy druid wiccan freak.
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