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Nibin
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: jeetered]
#7671868 - 11/23/07 06:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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h I am not from texas. I simply lived here for the past 18 months. I was born on the Cherokee Reservation in Cherokee North Carolina, along with all of my family since the beginning of time.
I can't stand texas. But i live here. If my wife would agree, we'd move back to Cherokee.
Wow jeetered for an indian you are pretty skeptical of the powers of nature, lol
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Personally I can see good in both science and other perspectives.
Jeetered, I respect the scientific approach. This is an observation which someone, of over 30 years cultivation experience, has put forward. Many years of observation doesn't necessarily make something right but surely it makes it worthy of consideration?
To me a scientist would now examine those observations and see if they could be replicated, proved or disproved, alongside suitable controls.
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The shroomy 1
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: jeetered]
#7671876 - 11/23/07 06:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you convince your wife, I promise I'll convince MY WIFE. Let's go! Strangely enough, I was born in North Carolina also! Fayetteville to be exact!
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: Nibin]
#7671944 - 11/23/07 06:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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h I am not from texas. I simply lived here for the past 18 months. I was born on the Cherokee Reservation in Cherokee North Carolina, along with all of my family since the beginning of time.
I can't stand texas. But i live here. If my wife would agree, we'd move back to Cherokee.
Wow jeetered for an indian you are pretty skeptical of the powers of nature, lol
First, there isn't a DOT ON MY HEAD, so im not an indian, I am a Native American.
Second, I am not skeptical of the powers of nature. I do however believe that the moon has no affect on mushrooms. There isn't enough water to be affected by gravitational pull. That's just science.
Just because I am native american does not mean I buy into any little whimsical mystical story.
This is the modern world, I do not run around with feathers in my hair, nor do I scalp white men, even though sometimes I want to.
this is 2007, not 1850.
I am college educated, I am modern, I live in a house. I drive a car, I don't ride a horse everywhere.
I do practice tradition for the sake of my family. If i did not, I wouldn't get my casino checks or land checks. Sad but true.
Would it make everyone more comfortable if I continually posted in my native language?
If i did, not one of you would know what I was saying.
so...
I am not tonto, please don't treat me as such, or generalize me as some mystic fucking shaman.
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: jeetered]
#7672023 - 11/23/07 07:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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dude, chill out...no one that I can see is generalizing you as a fucking shaman...they would have to be stupid to after reading your posts.
Are you really that sensitive to being called an Indian? I'm no expert, but the Indians I"ve talked to had no problem being called Indians.
Regardless how can you be such a whiny bitch after your previous posts calling other ethnicities all manner of derogatory names? I'll answer my own question--hypocrite.
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: thedeez]
#7672083 - 11/23/07 07:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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This has gotten so far off topic it's not even funny. The Flaming needs to stop. If we cannot add to this thread in a constructive manner, we need to stop posting.
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: thedeez]
#7672147 - 11/23/07 07:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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If the moon can have such a profound effect on the oceans, it seems strange for someone who preaches the virtues of pure science to summarily rule out any possible effect on a mycelium network that might stretch for miles and weigh hundreds of tons, 90% of which is water.
Closed minds get one nowhere. Obviously, any discussion is simply wondering 'what if', but to dismiss as irrelevant the moon cycles that farmers have known and used for thousands of years of crop growing is somewhat hard to understand. I suppose folks who dismiss the unknown, also dismiss any possibility that the effects we feel from our mushrooms are any more than just a simple chemical reaction in our brains. Sad. RR
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Nibin
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: jeetered]
#7672157 - 11/23/07 07:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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jeetered said:
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Nibin said:
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h I am not from texas. I simply lived here for the past 18 months. I was born on the Cherokee Reservation in Cherokee North Carolina, along with all of my family since the beginning of time.
I can't stand texas. But i live here. If my wife would agree, we'd move back to Cherokee.
Wow jeetered for an indian you are pretty skeptical of the powers of nature, lol
First, there isn't a DOT ON MY HEAD, so im not an indian, I am a Native American.
Second, I am not skeptical of the powers of nature. I do however believe that the moon has no affect on mushrooms. There isn't enough water to be affected by gravitational pull. That's just science.
Just because I am native american does not mean I buy into any little whimsical mystical story.
This is the modern world, I do not run around with feathers in my hair, nor do I scalp white men, even though sometimes I want to.
this is 2007, not 1850.
I am college educated, I am modern, I live in a house. I drive a car, I don't ride a horse everywhere.
I do practice tradition for the sake of my family. If i did not, I wouldn't get my casino checks or land checks. Sad but true.
Would it make everyone more comfortable if I continually posted in my native language?
If i did, not one of you would know what I was saying.
so...
I am not tonto, please don't treat me as such, or generalize me as some mystic fucking shaman.
Wow wow wow Jeetered, in no way was I trying to offend you or implying you were tonto.
If I referred to you as Indian instead of Native American it was only because I didn't really know there was an issue with the subject as I am not American and the only guy I know who is Native American calls himself an Indian or American Indian.
And the whole reason behind my observation was to comment on the fact that being a member of a people who are commonly known as highly regarding of the forces of nature you seem to not believe in them much.
But then I suppose that if I followed in my family traditions i should believe in a woman that gives birth without no sex and a zombie who can multiply bread and fishes, so my wrong.
Sorry dude
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: Nibin]
#7672876 - 11/23/07 11:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don’t get it either RR.
How about a survey?
Those with “OMG !! 16 days and no signs of growth”
along with “OMG 3 days and already 20% colonized”
type of experience check your notes. Note the inoculation / transfer dates and reference a Moon Phase calendar to see if there is any coincidental correlation?
Peace All. I really would not wish to stir up anyone's religiously held beliefs.
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: JaComet]
#7672982 - 11/23/07 11:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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JaComet said: I don’t get it either RR.
How about a survey?
Those with “OMG !! 16 days and no signs of growth”
along with “OMG 3 days and already 20% colonized”
type of experience check your notes. Note the inoculation / transfer dates and reference a Moon Phase calendar to see if there is any coincidental correlation?
Peace All. I really would not wish to stir up anyone's religiously held beliefs.
I will definitely start doing that.
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: jeetered]
#7673174 - 11/24/07 01:11 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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jeetered,
Look up the definition of “science” the foundation from which you preach.
After that, think about the definition for a few minutes and describe to me how your pseudo scientific ideology is any different from the hippie wiccan ideology you preach against.
Odd that someone who is supposedly college educated managed an oversight of your magnitude. You’re a formal hypocrite my friend, preaching your opinion just as blindly as you’re opponents here.
If you cant provide us any scientific observations or experiments solely concerning mushroom growth and moon cycles, than you can’t speak against it in the name of science.
Science isn’t something you can just make up, its sole existence is based on observation and experimentation, for without that it’s just another religion.
As of right now, without experiments conducted, science has no opinion. So leave it out of you’re argument.
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: Mojo]
#7673283 - 11/24/07 01:50 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think there are just so many variables that effect everything around us. However somethings have a more profound effect than others, and because some things have no imediate or large effect we tend to ignore the much larger picture that this the life is based on complex interactions between all biotic and abiotic factors in our world. Whether you look at a habitat or a biome, one thing is always true. Everything is connected to everything else.
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Glacier Creek said: The moon has an effect on us because we are almost completely made of water.
Humans almost completely made of water? I don't know about where you live, but where I live, men have about 70% of the body mass in water and women around 60% due to a higher proportion of body fat.
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7673453 - 11/24/07 03:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: If the moon can have such a profound effect on the oceans, it seems strange for someone who preaches the virtues of pure science to summarily rule out any possible effect on a mycelium network that might stretch for miles and weigh hundreds of tons, 90% of which is water.
But the moon has only an effect on large, free moving areas of water, the oceans, in the form of a tide.
The moon has no measurable effect on a tub of water, or a glass of water. There is no special special effect of moon on water as a chemical compound.
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: Anno]
#7673542 - 11/24/07 05:17 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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your pftek cakes are not a mycelial map with thousands of miles of network..
its a half pint cake. that holds not enough moisture for the moon to affect.
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7673547 - 11/24/07 05:21 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: If the moon can have such a profound effect on the oceans, it seems strange for someone who preaches the virtues of pure science to summarily rule out any possible effect on a mycelium network that might stretch for miles and weigh hundreds of tons, 90% of which is water.
Closed minds get one nowhere. Obviously, any discussion is simply wondering 'what if', but to dismiss as irrelevant the moon cycles that farmers have known and used for thousands of years of crop growing is somewhat hard to understand. I suppose folks who dismiss the unknown, also dismiss any possibility that the effects we feel from our mushrooms are any more than just a simple chemical reaction in our brains. Sad. RR
having an open mind to falsehoods gets you no where but lying to yourself.
There is absolutely NO UNKNOWN INVOLVED and it is JUST THAT, a chemical reaction in the brain, your brain responding to the affects of 4-ho-dmt. Nothing more, nothing less.
this mass hallucination that there is an unknown is simply fantastical, why lie to yourself? lying to yourself is unhealthy.
Do you know why the moon is watched for planting crops???
BECAUSE, full, waxing, and waning moons provide lots of light.
and how is it sad, that i do not lie to myself, and believe it? I as well as many others would call that "healthy"
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: thedeez]
#7673553 - 11/24/07 05:30 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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thedeez said: dude, chill out...no one that I can see is generalizing you as a fucking shaman...they would have to be stupid to after reading your posts.
Are you really that sensitive to being called an Indian? I'm no expert, but the Indians I"ve talked to had no problem being called Indians.
Regardless how can you be such a whiny bitch after your previous posts calling other ethnicities all manner of derogatory names? I'll answer my own question--hypocrite.
I never denied that thread, therefore, I am not a hypocrite. I dislike illegal aliens, and an entire state, and soon to be country for bowing down to them, my opinion, NOT FACT, opinion, is that they should shot as soon as their feet hit the ground, i don't deny that.
There are so many "indians" from india now in america, that 99% of the reservation, does not want to be generalized as a "dot head indian" therefore, Native American is the more politically correct term, considering, colombus discovered america, not india...
omfg, you people call me stupid?
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such a whiny bitch
have I called a SINGLE PERSON a derogatory name???
no, not one of you.
this isn't OTD, i reserve that kind of stuff for OTD.
now, again, dont confuse or mix this tread with "Texas and it's suckdom"
this is cultivation, not OTD.
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: jeetered]
#7673560 - 11/24/07 05:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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anything i find to try to support your moon theory, starts as "The Enchantment of the MOON"
so i quit reading right there, there is no fucking enhantment involved. it's the moon, not some fairy goddess whom blesses things with her magickal faery star dust and moon wand.
we aren't kids anymore, living in wonderland, we are adults. santa clause isn't real, the easter bunny is dead.
come on now people, get real.
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: Anno]
#7673598 - 11/24/07 06:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anno said: But the moon has only an effect on large, free moving areas of water, the oceans, in the form of a tide.
Like your GF/Wife’s menstrual cycle?
Honestly, the Moon phasing is simply a time piece. There are greater energies at work than are currently understood. But then, I don’t believe in gravity anyway.
I have not put any faith in “Gravity” since Junior High School. I told my Earth Science teacher that gravitational mass attraction didn’t make much sense to me. We were more like fuzz balls stuck on a statically charged comb. That got me a nice dressing down in class.
But then Gravity Theory seems to be on it’s way out the door :-)
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Re: Moon and inoculation [Re: JaComet]
#7673741 - 11/24/07 07:33 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lest truth be lost in all this emotion, it should be noted that nobody has said that the moon has an effect on our mycelium, especially me. I've seen no evidence of it whatsoever. My only objection is the dismissal of the possibility due to pre-conceived opinion. Such is not science, but religion.
Jeetered, make another racist statement about dot-heads and you're going to feel my wrath. Your ancestors walked across on a land bridge, my ancestors came across on a boat, and the so-called illegals you despise swim and walk across a river. There ARE NO native americans. That term is an insult to our intellegence. Human life did not evolve in the western hemisphere. Check your racism and hatred at the door please. RR
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