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If the world really does end in 2012, will you be dissapointed?
    #7664139 - 11/21/07 06:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Not I.

I may be a bit pessimistic in saying this, but our society sickens me to the point where I would rather be a part of its permanent destruction than to live the rest of my life tied into this meaningless game we call life. I'm not suicidal, but I would have no fear or regret should my life end alongside every other life on this planet. What better way to go? I can't think of one.


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Re: If the world really does end in 2012, will you be dissapointed? [Re: xFrockx]
    #7664186 - 11/21/07 06:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You're quite right.


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Re: If the world really does end in 2012, will you be dissapointed? [Re: Justice_Fish]
    #7664213 - 11/21/07 06:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

know


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Re: If the world really does end in 2012, will you be dissapointed? [Re: machination]
    #7664434 - 11/21/07 07:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

"but our society sickens me to the point where..."

Where are you then, other than a point where societies ride, simply doesnt work for you...

Be the ride dude for those who cannot see they are riding. Bring them down and help them join the wave of change.
Just listent.
Your brain is capable of admitting its weakness, the weakness of the past beliefs. Now that you know what is wrong, you must know what is right.

Now that it has made you sick, you will learn how to heal it.


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And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change.

Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems.

Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....


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Re: If the world really does end in 2012, will you be dissapointed? [Re: xFrockx]
    #7664454 - 11/21/07 07:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

I may be a bit pessimistic in saying this, but our society sickens me to the point where I would rather be a part of its permanent destruction than to live the rest of my life tied into this meaningless game we call life.




You can take your life for that, no need to wish the same thing for all the rest.
Any social structure in my opinion, is flawed by definition.
But this doesn't have to interfere with your well being, and if it does, then it is you the one with the problems.
It really baffles me when I hear people complaining about life, about how nothing is the way it "should" be, as if they knew what to do with the world. They don't even know what to do with themselves. :thumbdown:

Quote:

I'm not suicidal, but I would have no fear or regret should my life end alongside every other life on this planet. What better way to go? I can't think of one.




You're not suicidal, but dying would be ok if the rest would die too. :rolleyes:


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Re: If the world really does end in 2012, will you be dissapointed? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7664531 - 11/21/07 07:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think you're twisting my words a bit here. I'm not wishing anything on our world, but rather I welcome some sort of cataclysmic event that I could be a part of. I don't want to die after living my whole life to make money, buy possessions, accrue interest, ect. I'd much rather have my death be during some significant event that would end the world. Call it selfish, whatever.

As for my "solution" I'd say that there would be no easy one. Currency would need to be gotten rid of, but thats not possible without making some key changes first. Society would have to be structured in such a way that everyone helped themselves and each other. Often times people fight this sort of thought by saying something to the effect of "The world needs garbage men." My best reply would be that we don't need vast service industries staffed by the untouchables if we all filled those jobs by making more effort at the individual level. We need to stop pawning off our responsibility to the people who will do it the cheapest.

Hardly even a start, I know, but this is far from a complete thought as of my creation of this thread, so bear with me.


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Re: If the world really does end in 2012, will you be dissapointed? [Re: xFrockx]
    #7664570 - 11/21/07 07:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

the world is an amazing and beautiful thing.
i would always be dissapointed to see it gone.


but hell, if i died in the apocalypse.. i'd be satisfied with my death.


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Re: If the world really does end in 2012, will you be dissapointed? [Re: xFrockx]
    #7664597 - 11/21/07 07:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'll try to gather my thoughts together in this post, critique them as you will.

Problems with Society:
The Class System
Why?: Some argue that humans wish to be lead. I contest that humans do not seek leadership, but rather seek the comforts of having it. These comforts, mostly in the form of material wealth, are not vital to our existence. While it may be useful to have leaders for individual tasks, it is harmful to have omni-leaders (presidents, senators, dictators, ect) because each person has their own strengths and weaknesses. Obviously, certain people may be adept at leading certain things, but no one person (or small group) can do it all.

Commercialism
-Mass Media (Television, Radio, the Internet, ect.)
Why?: Commercialism ties down humankind to a mere material sense of wealth. It brings attention away from the strengths and weaknesses of the individual and replaces them with a fascade of artificial wealth and meaningless power. Materialism creates the class system.

Ignorance
Why?: Ignorance is a result of people not having responsibility for themselves. There is no excuse for the rampant stupidity that plagues our society, as it is a result of the laziness and apathy that results from our class system. If everyone became accountable for themselves at the individual level, society as a whole would become much more competent, and could function more comfortably than if there is a percentage of people who must be supported by a small group of competent people.


Thats all for now, thats all I could think of at this time.


Edited by xFrockx (11/21/07 07:41 PM)


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Re: If the world really does end in 2012, will you be dissapointed? [Re: xFrockx]
    #7664690 - 11/21/07 08:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i wouldnt be disappointed b/c this world is kinda shitty at the moment, and the events leading up to 2012 would most likely be ridiculous. But then again i still have a lot of shit to see and do, i feel like my life is just now starting at 21 and the previous years were lived by someone else. So im kinda stuck with this question.


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Re: If the world really does end in 2012, will you be dissapointed? [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7664780 - 11/21/07 08:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i wouldn't mind because then i'd go down in history as the sexiest member of the last generation of humanity and i'd get all the girls.


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Re: If the world really does end in 2012, will you be disappointed? [Re: xFrockx]
    #7664841 - 11/21/07 08:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It sounds like you will be disappointed if the world doesn't end in 2012....    :smirk:

Myself, I am happy to have this chance to live,
and will be almost equally happy when I have the chance to die....


>^;;^<


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Re: If the world really does end in 2012, will you be dissapointed? [Re: xFrockx]
    #7664851 - 11/21/07 08:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Problems with Society:
The Class System
Why?: Some argue that humans wish to be lead. I contest that humans do not seek leadership, but rather seek the comforts of having it. These comforts, mostly in the form of material wealth, are not vital to our existence. While it may be useful to have leaders for individual tasks, it is harmful to have omni-leaders (presidents, senators, dictators, ect) because each person has their own strengths and weaknesses. Obviously, certain people may be adept at leading certain things, but no one person (or small group) can do it all.




People want to be lead and it is what they need. Otherwise, they wouldn't have it.
Embracing the comforts it has to give is accepting it. Who are you to change that? Who are you to determine that it's time for them to change their lives?
This is the highest degree of dictatorship. :thumbdown:

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Commercialism
-Mass Media (Television, Radio, the Internet, ect.)
Why?: Commercialism ties down humankind to a mere material sense of wealth. It brings attention away from the strengths and weaknesses of the individual and replaces them with a fascade of artificial wealth and meaningless power. Materialism creates the class system.




Commercialism exists on public demand. Consumers and producers exists and create each other.
Just because some people use them irresponsibly, it doesn't mean that the concept of mass media is bad. In only means that we have yet to improve our skills in using it in a manner that is constructive and intelligent.
What do you wanna do? What do you see as being a solution to all that? Banning TV? The internet? This is information, this is being in touch with every corner of this world and this is evolution, we can benefit so much from all these and to be honest I really feel like these arguments are basic stuff and necessary to think about in order to start understanding something.

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Ignorance
Why?: Ignorance is a result of people not having responsibility for themselves. There is no excuse for the rampant stupidity that plagues our society, as it is a result of the laziness and apathy that results from our class system. If everyone became accountable for themselves at the individual level, society as a whole would become much more competent, and could function more comfortably than if there is a percentage of people who must be supported by a small group of competent people.




Take your own advice then and assume responsibly for your life. :wink: What others do and think is none of your concern. Whining is also a form of ignorance.
If this world has any real problems is because of people who think they have the answer and then try to impose it on everybody else.


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Re: If the world really does end in 2012, will you be dissapointed? [Re: faceofbear]
    #7664860 - 11/21/07 08:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

faceofbear said:
i wouldn't mind because then i'd go down in history as the sexiest member of the last generation of humanity and i'd get all the girls.




All of them dead :smirk:


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Re: If the world really does end in 2012, will you be dissapointed? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7664865 - 11/21/07 08:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

everyone knows that dead girls are the best girls.


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Re: If the world really does end in 2012, will you be dissapointed? [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7664899 - 11/21/07 09:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

And they tend to be quite obedient :lol:


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Re: If the world really does end in 2012, will you be disappointed? [Re: xFrockx]
    #7664910 - 11/21/07 09:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

I don't want to die after living my whole life to make money, buy possessions, accrue interest, ect.




If thats truly what you believe your life is all about then therein lies the problem. Change your priorities to coincide with what you truly find important and your perception of what you are living for will also change. View making money as a means to create happiness and joy for yourself and others. It doesn't have to be all about material possessions and instant gratification.

A lot of people complain about how shitty the world is and then go spend their money on a 500 dollar car payment or a 700 dollar handbag instead of doing something selfless and helpful with that money. They become zombies to the westernized way of life and let it smother their instinctual drive to contribute to the welfare of all humanity.


To answer the original question. No, I would not be disappointed.


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Re: If the world really does end in 2012, will you be disappointed? [Re: postanaldrip]
    #7664927 - 11/21/07 09:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I would be because I never considered buying how to survive 2012 :frown:


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Re: If the world really does end in 2012, will you be disappointed? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7664996 - 11/21/07 09:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i complain about it all the time and i just bought a ps3. does that make me a hypocrite, or does it make me bored?


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Re: If the world really does end in 2012, will you be dissapointed? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7665036 - 11/21/07 10:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Take your own advice then and assume responsibly for your life.  What others do and think is none of your concern. Whining is also a form of ignorance.

If this world has any real problems is because of people who think they have the answer and then try to impose it on everybody else.





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Re: If the world really does end in 2012, will you be dissapointed? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7665064 - 11/21/07 10:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Please realize that I am not proposing that I will try to change the world. I do not think that the problems I have listed are things that will ever be changed in human nature, rather, think of them as observations. Saying that my observations are some form of dictatorship is pretty ludicrous. All you are doing is using a straw man to twist my statements into something you can argue against. You make a number of unsubstantiated claims in your reaction, however, so I will point these out.

"People want to be lead and it is what they need. Otherwise, they wouldn't have it."

I could very easily argue that this is not the case. While people may want to be lead, it is most certainly not what they need. I think you are glazing over my original argument. Please notice how I distinguish between leadership and omni-leadership. Humans do normally use leaders to accomplish group tasks, this is not what I am opposing. I am opposing the idea of the omni-leader, or, one who leads society totally. I am arguing for the breakdown of mass-control in the form of government. Society does not have to be anarchy for such a thing to happen, but it would have to be responsible, which is something that our current system does not allow. In controlling people en masse, responsibility on the individual level breaks down, because honestly, who needs to worry about themselves when there are others to pick up the slack?

"Commercialism exists on public demand. Consumers and producers exists and create each other."

I'll focus on the first part, seeing as how the second part isn't even a complete thought. Commercialism does not exist as a result of public demand, but rather it exists to give the public demands. When humans came to be on this planet, we did not come with Coca-Cola, Mastercard, or Pancake Puff makers. These things are mere vestiges of real human needs. We do need food, shelter, ect, but what we do not need is a bunch of people telling us why we should buy their version. It is nothing but wasted energy. All I am arguing for is that we stop wasting this energy.

You say: "What do you wanna do? What do you see as being a solution to all that? Banning TV? The internet? This is information, this is being in touch with every corner of this world and this is evolution, we can benefit so much from all these and to be honest I really feel like these arguments are basic stuff and necessary to think about in order to start understanding something."

If society were to really change, there would be no need to ban anything. People as a whole would need to wake up and realize that none of it matters. What do you think are the benefits of mass media? Do you think they outweigh the harms? I'm not just talking misuse here either. By nature, any form of mass media is a form of mass control. Please realize I am not shunning global communication, far from it. I am simply saying that humans do not require their thoughts to be generalized and spewed across the world for all to hear.

"Take your own advice then and assume responsibly for your life. What others do and think is none of your concern. Whining is also a form of ignorance.
If this world has any real problems is because of people who think they have the answer and then try to impose it on everybody else."

I'm honestly not sure how you are coming to this conclusion. Did you read my post, or are you just trying to be an asshole? I suggest that people in general should have more personal accountability for their actions and now all of a sudden its my problem? And not only that, but I'm forcing someone to believe that they should.. oh... I don't know.. be responsible? How is this imposing anything on anyone? Get real, man. *edit* woman.


Edited by xFrockx (11/21/07 10:22 PM)


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