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Richii
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No fruiting/pinning?
#7664091 - 11/21/07 05:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Two weeks after I birthed some fully colonized cakes and still no sign of any pins.
I spray them 3 to 4 times daily, about 7-10ml of water each time. (20 sprays of a fine mist, 5 seconds of spraying) Condensation is seen on the plexi glass lid of my terranium.
Room temperature, about 22 degrees C (72 F).
There is an increase of mycellum growth, little bumps all over the cake, and is now starting to recently turn green in some areas.
It's the Australian strain, from spores 101.
What could be the problem?


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Re: No fruiting/pinning? [Re: Richii]
#7664382 - 11/21/07 06:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Those cakes are probably contaminated - you need to make sure they are completely covered with myc before you birth them, it looks like about half of your uncolonized cake is open season for contams. 
("Fully colonized" would mean the entire cake is covered.)
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Richii
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Re: No fruiting/pinning? [Re: fee]
#7667260 - 11/22/07 03:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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blueshroprachaun said: Those cakes are probably contaminated - you need to make sure they are completely covered with myc before you birth them, it looks like about half of your uncolonized cake is open season for contams. 
("Fully colonized" would mean the entire cake is covered.)
The cakes are fully colonized. The uncolonized part you see at the bottom is pure vermiculite, where the mycellum didn't grow.
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fee said: those cakes look ok to me from the pictures. now when misting you dont want to directly mist the cakes you want to just mist the walls of the chamber for RH. are you sure the spots are green and not a blueish color cause if its blue its probably just bruising from stress
This is what I meant, I spray the drip shield in my terranium. The spot that started to change color looks bluish as if it were the mycellum changing color. It was also not present there when I birthed the cake.
Anyone have any ideas what could stall fruiting of a cake and cause it to simply produce more mycellum?
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Re: No fruiting/pinning? [Re: Richii]
#7667604 - 11/22/07 05:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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green? makes sure it's not blue, if it IS green
toss it.
if it's blue, dunk it, put it back in it's container and fill with distilled water then put it in the fridge for 12 hours and rebirth
sorry dude, but the green is mean
i would never spray my cakes directly X_X a rolled cake sure but water sitting on the mycelium is not a good thing
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Re: No fruiting/pinning? [Re: anarchOi]
#7667620 - 11/22/07 05:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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the way to test is to rub the blue/green area with one of those cotton buds used for cleaning your ears. if it stains, it is a contam, if it doesn't then it is bruising
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Re: No fruiting/pinning? [Re: Nibin]
#7667863 - 11/22/07 06:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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2 weeks is quite along time.
My guess is that its still colinising the middle, those cakes look huge, must be at least 10 wide!!
What container did you use for them. Remember the bigger the cake, the longer it will take to colinise.
The dry verm layer should have been removed, this is your filter that stopped contams reaching the substrate while your it was colinising, if it gets wet then its possible for contams to grow on it.
What is your humidity
Did you dunk after birthing
Is your terrarium getting enough FAE.
Green is a bad colour, though i have seen myc that has bruised severly look green. Test it with a cotton bud.
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Re: No fruiting/pinning? [Re: veda_sticks]
#7671348 - 11/23/07 04:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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anarchOi said: green? makes sure it's not blue, if it IS green
toss it.
if it's blue, dunk it, put it back in it's container and fill with distilled water then put it in the fridge for 12 hours and rebirth
sorry dude, but the green is mean
i would never spray my cakes directly X_X a rolled cake sure but water sitting on the mycelium is not a good thing
I dunked it and put it back in the terranium. Don't have a fridge. 
I made sure, it's the exact same blue that appears on fully grown mushrooms once they bruise. It also passed the cotton swab test.
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veda_sticks said: 2 weeks is quite along time.
My guess is that its still colinising the middle, those cakes look huge, must be at least 10 wide!!
What container did you use for them. Remember the bigger the cake, the longer it will take to colinise.
The dry verm layer should have been removed, this is your filter that stopped contams reaching the substrate while your it was colinising, if it gets wet then its possible for contams to grow on it.
What is your humidity
Did you dunk after birthing
Is your terrarium getting enough FAE.
Green is a bad colour, though i have seen myc that has bruised severly look green. Test it with a cotton bud.
I used plastic P.P 5 containers. Heat resistant, freezing resistant, dish washer safe, microwave safe, all that. Couldn't find half pint canning jars anywhere around here. Looks like no one makes their own jam in the Canadian suburbs.
I removed the majority of the vermiculite after birthing them, but that was the part stuck to the mycellum. I didn't want to pick at it so I just left it there.
Humidity, don't know. Haven't bought a gage yet, but perhaps I will. Condensation is always present on the plexi lid though, and on the drip shield.
I didn't dunk them after birthing, just did what the PF Tek said to do step by step.
And what is FAE?
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Re: No fruiting/pinning? [Re: Richii]
#7671408 - 11/23/07 05:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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FAE = Fresh Air Exchange
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Richii
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Re: No fruiting/pinning? [Re: Nibin]
#7671444 - 11/23/07 05:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Somewhat, I vent it every time I open it to spray them.
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Re: No fruiting/pinning? [Re: Richii]
#7671471 - 11/23/07 05:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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You have to fan ideally at least five times a day
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Re: No fruiting/pinning? [Re: Nibin]
#7671514 - 11/23/07 05:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Will do. And is the problem that I didn't dunk the cakes after birthing?
The PF Tek's I read never mentioned it.
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Re: No fruiting/pinning? [Re: Nibin]
#7671523 - 11/23/07 05:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fresh air exchange is the most important pinning trigger is the most important pinning trigger, u want to fan out at least 6 times a day. I would give it some more tme for that size of cake as they still doo looke healthy. up the FAE simply opening up for misting isnt enough for FAE, i want to fan it with the lid or something that shifts air.
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Re: No fruiting/pinning? [Re: veda_sticks]
#7673874 - 11/24/07 08:39 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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probably so richii
i was so confused forever why my cakes wouldn't really fruit then i was told to dunk and it remedied everything
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Re: No fruiting/pinning? [Re: anarchOi]
#7674861 - 11/24/07 03:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just grab it, dip it in water, and it's good to go?
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Re: No fruiting/pinning? [Re: Richii]
#7675391 - 11/24/07 05:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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No dunk in water in an airtight container (or a container with clingfilm on the top) in the fridge for 12-24 hours, never more than 24 hours.
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Re: No fruiting/pinning? [Re: Nibin]
#7677195 - 11/25/07 08:54 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah after 48 hours your mycelium will be dead
a 12 hour dunk won't harm it at all though
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Re: No fruiting/pinning? [Re: anarchOi]
#7695925 - 11/29/07 05:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alright it's now about 1 week after I dunked the cakes. One of them... well... you be the judge. The other two, no signs of anything. Any more advice is appreciated, and thanks to all that have responded so far.
Other than what I said before, they look very compact compared to other pictures I've seen. Seems as thought I used too much water when preparing the substrate.
And as a side note, the cake that began what resembles fruiting was only dunked for a minute, because this is what I thought dunking meant. Then it sprouted, so I left it be.
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Re: No fruiting/pinning? [Re: Richii]
#7696009 - 11/29/07 06:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, you got one possible...
Better luck next time I guess.
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Re: No fruiting/pinning? [Re: verminute]
#7696486 - 11/29/07 07:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dunk that cake for 24 hours.
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