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Subconscious Anxiety
    #7653847 - 11/19/07 08:35 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Ive noticed that many times when I sleepwalk, My main attempts at my meaningless goals seem to be straightening things out that don't need to be straightened out. Ill try to turn off a television or a fan that is already off. Unplug electronics. Actually just recently I tuned all my guitars way down so either the necks or strings wouldn't break. :lol:

Also, on my lower level salvia trips where I'm still kind of level with base reality, Ill do kind of the same thing. This is even more abstract, because before I smoke salvia, I make sure my setting is perfect , as far as I can at least.

It doesn't happen all the time, but I might find something to negatively dwell on in this way, sometimes as simple as not being happy with my seating position. Ill be comfortable in the first place, but then I might think that I might not be comfortable, (But also at the same time it seems to be that weird gravitational feeling that causes it. Either way It would seem to be quite clearly a product of the mind.) or that this is somehow not perfect setting...and you know...it becomes uncomfortable. Not just uncomfortable, but detrimental to the ideal experience, expressed as anxiety.

I'm not asking about these things because they are particularly troubling, but more Id like to understand their relation to "real" anxiety of everyday life.

Does anybody have any methods or ideas of how to understand and realize the subconscious levels of anxiety for what they are, in dream or drug experience? Perhaps learning to understand and conquer the more abstract levels of anxiety would be a good way to understand the more real anxieties of everyday life for what they are? Any shroomy wisdom would be helpful.


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Re: Subconscious Anxiety [Re: daytripper23]
    #7653910 - 11/19/07 08:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I remember once my parents were out of town and I had my house to myself.  I had a bunch of friends over; two of us were shrooming, the rest were drinking and hanging out.  The next night we were going to have a big, drunken birthday party for two of my friends at my place. 

I went upstairs to lie alone in darkness in my room while I was peaking, and all I could think about was my house.  Like, all the little stuff that needed to be cleaned, and all the inevitable cleaning that would need to be done after the next night, and whether the side door was closed, whether my pet was o.k., and on and on.  All of this anxiety about the condition of my house suddenly flooded over me!  I was totally taking my parents' karmic trip, because normally I would have only passing concern and brush my parents' worry about the cleanliness of the house off as typical suburban neurosis; but I saw how deep it really went, as if the house were an extension of my being.

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Does anybody have any methods or ideas of how to understand and realize the subconscious levels of anxiety for what they are, in dream or drug experience?


My primary focus is to make this anxiety conscious so I can understand it, accept it, and help others with it.  It goes so deep.  It has to do with clinging to the world outside oneself, a condition which I suffer in a big way.  Feng shui, Zen gardens, Stoic virtue, the Spartan lifestyle: these are all very wise IMO because they recognize that with one's outer dwelling space ordered and simplified as much as possible, one's inner landscape is less cluttered.  And vice versa: by learning to observe one's thought processes and create space around the anxiety with patience, vigilance, and loving kindness, one becomes more able to live simply.  The inner reflects the outer. 

Simplifying one's lifestyle and developing some kind of practice involving intense awareness of thoughts and sensations, focus on breath, etc. seem to be a large part of the way.  Art helps too in my experience, whether it's free-association writing, mandala drawing, or more refined forms.  And of course psychedelic excursion, whether it's a salvia trip in one's room or an acid trip in the forest, can cause fresh realization to arise about the nature of the two-headed monster, desire and anxiety.

:yinyang:


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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    #7653914 - 11/19/07 08:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Subconscious Anxiety [Re: soulcircus]
    #7663476 - 11/21/07 03:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

possessions cause possession

when i first got stoned i would make sure the door is locked like 5 times

the trick is knowing that the apartment, (less so the house) is a PRISON CELL and you are LOCKING YOURSELF IN rather than locking others out

consider this

if all your anxiety is in your home (by your i mean whoever most clearly fits the patterns i have observed in my-self unit) such as, woe someone might see that i'm high, better close the blinds.... woe someone might smell stink must spray spray

then you can just OPEN THE FUCKING DOOR AND GO OUTSIDE and the weather will change immediately

its all thought-forms you know

when i'm on acid i generally forget to lock my doors or deliberately don't lock them, and have great disdain for keys and cellphones and electronics

this is because i KNOW (re-member) that I AM OMNISCIENT and that THINGS ONLY EXIST IF I THINK THEY DO

understand the world is just classical and operant conditoning

you see a police car

if you're a weirdo-fuck you get paranoid and feel hatred and wanna flip them off

then 100% guaran-farking-teed any cop you meet is going to treat you piss poorly because most people are NOT Christ and have demons in them, so you're going to be interacting with the police officer's demon because you are acting out of yours (fear) [remember Be Here Now? Ram Dass says that paranoids flip each other out all the time] and therefore triggering his.

It's like dogs.

(or gods)

dogs (gods) bark and chase after you if you run. Generally will be submissive to you if you stand them down....

Ram Dass says that it is hard to get locked up if you know the person with the badge is GOD HIMSELF and when I'm on acid I know these things so I'll do just about any-thing but of course only travel in positive and omniscient and purple and MY energy pockets because I let out a stream of positive consconsiousness in my immediate reality that cleans the minds of the people closest to me in general nature

whereas if I am stoned and paranoid and terrified my mind creates violence (verbal) in my neighborhood and I watch it go out of my mind into theirs and it is quite discernably clear

mind creates reality absolutely and one hundred percent so the ultimate solution to all these things is to stop fearing

now to do that put it this way

you have a coffee mug in front of you

i am sorry to inform you, but though you think this is a coffee mug, it has a wiretap in it

it is wire tapped by the CIA in league with extra-dimensional reptillians who are in leauge with Satan who is in league with God and the SECOND you turn your back from this coffee cup it is going to fly forward and punch you in the face so you'd better not look away from it

now i mean it you stare at that fucking coffee cup for the rest of your life and never let your guard down

that's the kind of nonsense that classical and operant conditioning does to us

its just a fucking coffee cup it doesn't mean anything

the way to slay fear is to either fully understand that this, yes even what you are reading, is a DREAM A DREAM A DREAM A DREAM and you ARE A DREAMER

and to then use your CONSCIOUS MIND DELIBERATELY AND VERY FULLY SO THAT YOU SYSTEMATICALLY THINK ONLY POSITIVE THOUGHTS WHILE CLEANING OUT NEGATIVE PROGRAMS

or to find faith in God, Jesus Christ, the highest , Siva, I mean I can't tell you who God is, I wish I could...... but maybe look in the mirror for starters

absolute faith and trust

so if you have a deep seated terrible anxiety about coffee cups its only because pricks like leery11 told you that coffee cups were of the devil, and that they are out to get you

hey get it

THE FUCKING NEWS MEDIA
THE tv GET IT?

get it?

its kind of like you hear this dreadfully obnoxiously stupid thumping gangster rap out your window, but you step outside and a silly white granny is just getting her groove on

and you hear this twanging cuntry song about hanging outlaws but a hippy is just singing along mocking it

and you hear way too loud heavy metal but a Christian is just like
jeeze that's silly........

its kind of like a cop finds you on acid and is like
can I have a hit mate?

its kind of like you give George W Bush a huge

BECAUSE THIS ENTIRE FUCKING SYSTEM OF REALITY CAN ONLY EXIST IF YOU HOLD IT IN PLACE IN YOUR OWN MIND WITH YOUR OWN ASSOCIATIVE THOUGHTS BUT THE CATCH IS YOUR ENTIRE LIFE YOU GAVE YOUR GOD POWERS AWAY BY NOT THINKING FOR YOURSELF AND LETTING PEOPLE TELL YOU WHAT THE WORLD IS

if an alien saw some douche give a girl a ring and then sentamintel string music started playing he'd laugh his green arse off

not to say marriage is unholy

or stupid

marriage is what YOU make it but why would you let other people tell you what it is?

POLICE CREATE HIPPIES
HIPPIES CREATE POLICE
:yinyang:

DECONDITION FEAR BY USING THE CONSCIOUS MIND

i can do 80 mph in front of a cop and not get pulled over

know why? cause the entire matrix flux of reality is a continuation of the thought-forms of all humans and if I were to be doing 80mph it would be with pure intention not to be a deviant jackass male Yellow figure and if a cop were there he would share the same vibes as me and not really notice

and yeah i've tried and tested it, i've done the math enough to know it works

because the entire world is HELD TOGETHER BY THOUGHTS and you gravitate towards the thoughts that are most similar to yours

a pickpocket sees god and only sees his pockets

a man with a deep grudge will look deep inside you for the slightest of flaws so he can get into a fight with you

now he can only fight you if you get mad instead of laugh or offer him a beer or something or say can i make you dinner

this is the absolute law of all things

figure it out

we are omniscient

lsd helps but

its all about the CONSCIOUS MINDS ABILITY TO MAKE DECISIONS so figure it out

do you want to fucking belive that:
money exists
poverty exists
disease exists
crime exists, danger exists?
don't fucking believe that bullshit, work on the secret until you can create your reality enough to be in the Tao constantly to know that everything is dream


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: Subconscious Anxiety [Re: leery11]
    #7664011 - 11/21/07 05:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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then 100% guaran-farking-teed any cop you meet is going to treat you piss poorly because most people are NOT Christ and have demons in them, so you're going to be interacting with the police officer's demon because you are acting out of yours (fear) [remember Be Here Now? Ram Dass says that paranoids flip each other out all the time] and therefore triggering his.




I liked this part of your post. Once you realize that someone you are with is paranoid as shit it can be challenging not to fall into their own dumb mind trip.


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