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controlling eryngii pin set
    #7663298 - 11/21/07 02:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Does anyone have expeience with avoiding the following situation.
The mushrooms often fruit on the side of the jar. After exposure to fresh air and light from above. The following is a grain block that had used to be a grain jar but had to be shattered to release the mushrooms


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Re: controlling eryngii pin set [Re: rungi]
    #7676565 - 11/25/07 12:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

To avoid this you should fill the jars up to the brim and inoculate with LC. I would use sawdust instead of grain. IME this happens with bags too when the bag detaches from the block sides and air is able to enter and stimulate fruiting.


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Re: controlling eryngii pin set [Re: Semilanceata]
    #7676923 - 11/25/07 04:53 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

or use bags and remove them from bags before fruiting.

its air, light, co2, humidity, and other factors that change fruit formation


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Re: controlling eryngii pin set [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7677231 - 11/25/07 09:13 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

makaveli8x8 said:
its air, light, co2, humidity, and other factors that change fruit formation




Yes, but not all at the same time. I´ve had reishi bags fruiting in the incubator receiving no light. Sometimes mycellium fruits because it´s mature enough and it gets air. Some mushrooms do not require light to pin, they need it to further develope that pin in a healthy looking mushroom. Some even don´t need a drop in temperature to fruit if it is not too hot.
When the mycellium remains sticked to the bag I never get pins on the sides and they get plenty of light just like any other bag.
The best thing would be to remove the bag prior to fruiting but you would need a more controled environment that is cheap and easy to install with a couple of blocks but difficult and expensive if fruiting 100 bags.

EDIT: Here, an example of pinning with no light:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7677125/an/0/page/0


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Re: controlling eryngii pin set [Re: Semilanceata]
    #7677254 - 11/25/07 09:23 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Also, pick off the less mature mushrooms, this will cause the others to grow bigger and have better morphology.

-Graham


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Re: controlling eryngii pin set [Re: Cryogenicz]
    #7681848 - 11/26/07 01:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Why do you think liquid culture affects pin set.
I have jars of wood chips as well and I have seen the same thing, however sometimes they grow on the surface. I am begining to think humidity over all other factors causes the mushrooms to form on the sides of the jar.
The jars below were top spawned (via rye grain) with the idea the top mycelium would mature faster and fruit from the top. I now reject this hypothesis for this strain. Pins sometimes fruit at the bottom of jars in huge numbers the highest CO2 and humidity likely occurs at this location.
url=http://www.[shroomery.org/forums/files/07-46/532562921-PICT0109.jpg]


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Re: controlling eryngii pin set [Re: rungi]
    #7683859 - 11/26/07 10:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I don´t think LC affects pinset, if you fill the jars to the brim, how do you think you´re going to be able to inoculate with grain? impossible. That´s why LC.
Why sawdust? Sawdust is composed of small particles that leave very little air spaces so you get a very compact block and no air pockets at all. This doesn´t happens with grains or chips. Strains also might affect, why not?.


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