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sproket13
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LC: honey vs. Karo
#7662249 - 11/21/07 10:30 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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well. i made 2 LC's the other day. each with 6cc of substance in 200 ml of water. one with karo. the other with honey (...the bear)
i heated the jars with water in the microwave, then added the 6cc of karo and honey for the other.
you can see the karo on the left, is much clearer.

i then pressure cooked at 15 psi for 15 minutes.
came out looking like this. notice the ...stuff (i believe there is a proper name for it..) in the honey.

closer up...

karo, clear as day...ive had numerous successful karo lc's.

so should i use the honey? i was gonna run an experiment using my koh sumai clone LC. i did it in a baby bottle, using Karo. so i figured why not knock up some jars with it, then make some LC's as well. so im thinkin i can just inject some in both and see what happens. or is my honey doomed already?
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Re: LC: honey vs. Karo [Re: sproket13]
#7662255 - 11/21/07 10:33 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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my honey lc (the bear) worked just fine...
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Re: LC: honey vs. Karo [Re: sproket13]
#7662264 - 11/21/07 10:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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its really buggin cos i cant get karo in england, the honey looks like it got too hot, mine had some of those bits in but not half that much mine is fine but im told that sediment can make it hard to soet contamination
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Re: LC: honey vs. Karo [Re: grandesign]
#7662271 - 11/21/07 10:38 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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sorry forgot to say if the karo is that clear i know id use it every time
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Re: LC: honey vs. Karo [Re: grandesign]
#7662277 - 11/21/07 10:39 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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my honey tek is considered wrong, but i just put 2tbs honey in 100ml water, then nuke it till it boils, let it cool and repeat a few times. i leave the lid ALMOST all the way on so pressure does not build up. once its finally cool i add some spores or tissue and shove it in a drawer.. made 3 this way, no contam..
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Re: LC: honey vs. Karo [Re: Slimz]
#7662283 - 11/21/07 10:42 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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if it works it aint wrong, teks are just teks there not carved in stone ive cross contaminated teks so to speak and im doing ok
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Re: LC: honey vs. Karo [Re: grandesign]
#7662322 - 11/21/07 10:55 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i might as well chip in here and say this...as far as karo vs honey, iv found karo is a much better performer under a vacuum...thats all i got to say...
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Re: LC: honey vs. Karo [Re: total]
#7662353 - 11/21/07 11:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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the other day i made a honey LC by microwaving for 2 minutes. then adding honey, stirring, then nuking for another 2 minutes. then i put the lid on it and just let it sit. injected it with B+ later that day. seems to be working. no myc yet, but i can almost tell....sooooon. lol
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Re: LC: honey vs. Karo [Re: grandesign]
#7662376 - 11/21/07 11:13 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Perhaps you could find turbinado sugar. I've found it comparable to kara in terms of supporting vigorous growth. The water usually will have a slightly amber hue with turbinado, however you don't encounter the particulate matter that often accompanies honey based LCs. Turbinado is in crystalline form and thus very convenient to work with. One single serving five gram packet to 220ml H2O as per Agar's pioneering tek.. Give it a try, you'll love it!
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Re: LC: honey vs. Karo [Re: georgeM]
#7662512 - 11/21/07 11:46 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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use the honey lc it looks fine, those particles actually seem to fuel the myc, honey has always made MUCH MUCH thicker and healthier LC's than karo for me.
Trust me those particles will be ate by the myc haha.
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Re: LC: honey vs. Karo [Re: Grogan]
#7662571 - 11/21/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Sugar in the raw" or Brown sugar may also work well...
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Re: LC: honey vs. Karo [Re: Grogan]
#7662579 - 11/21/07 11:59 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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ok so for the first timer how much and what kind of honey per cup?
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Re: LC: honey vs. Karo [Re: Grogan]
#7662594 - 11/21/07 12:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I believe that grogan is correct. The mycelium will eat that stuff floating around and after a few days the jar will clear up considerably if you've got no contaminates.
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Re: LC: honey vs. Karo [Re: drwatson]
#7662660 - 11/21/07 12:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah it does eat the brown sediment mine did, though it changed colours a few times, i thought id lost em but they went crytal clear in the end even and the master cultures in the fridge went even clearer after a few hours of cold..
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Re: LC: honey vs. Karo [Re: Slimz]
#7662704 - 11/21/07 12:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Slimz said: "Sugar in the raw" or Brown sugar may also work well...
i believe brown sugar is just white sugar with molasses. i dunno where i read it. but i doubt thatd work well.
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Re: LC: honey vs. Karo [Re: galadar]
#7662746 - 11/21/07 12:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i was led to beleive that brown suger is natural and it only goes white during a bleaching process
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#7662772 - 11/21/07 12:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i get that white crap in my honey lc. but near ly not as much as yours. im getting growth in mine so im sure its good.
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im not planning on using it im good with honey
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Re: LC: honey vs. Karo [Re: grandesign]
#7663193 - 11/21/07 02:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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brown sugar is less refined sugar cane further down the line malasses is extracted and bleached to give you white sugar or pure sugar.
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Re: LC: honey vs. Karo [Re: armyabe]
#7663301 - 11/21/07 02:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Karo is just the brandname of corn syrup in the US. Any corn syrup usually found in the maple syrup section of your grocery store will work just fine.
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Re: LC: honey vs. Karo [Re: armyabe]
#7663602 - 11/21/07 03:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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thanks george i might give that a go ive seen that in the supermarket, i like the sound of the ease of use part, ill give it a go and post the results do you think i could transfer some of the mycelium from a honey lc to the turbinado culture? i might have to give it a go let you know
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Re: LC: honey vs. Karo [Re: grandesign]
#7663648 - 11/21/07 04:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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People use karo over Honey most of the time just because it comes in a clear version that will make seeing your mycelium much easier. Having used Honey myself for the first time this week, i love it. It was incredibly easy and fully colonized in 4-5 days without any contaminations (2 jars). In about 2 days the LC was usable and ive proven this because i inoculated 5 full pint pf jars and they began to colonize in only about 2.7 days... incredible performance compared to spore syringe alone. Also it multiplies your total usable inoculation medium by about 200 times or some. If you can't find clear corn syrup, just use the honey tek.
in 240ml jar:
-fill only about 2-2.5 inches of water -2 teaspoons of honey (clear generic brand, avoid cloudy honey) -And personally, i add about 2-3 eye drops of bleach before i sterilize the LC solution in a PC OR Just plain PF-style sterilization(30 minutes from time of boil).
For a stir-stick i just flame sterilized wire that i added in through the inoculation whole after i sterilized the jar and inoculated it. (when i started to see mycelium growth)
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Re: LC: honey vs. Karo [Re: bryanbzl]
#7663654 - 11/21/07 04:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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yea transferring will work well... give it a shot.
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Re: LC: honey vs. Karo [Re: bryanbzl]
#7666077 - 11/22/07 08:17 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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well...the karo is already showing growth not even 24 hours after inoculation. there are much larger chunks that i took. the original clone is in a Baby bottle, no air exchange. i wanted to make other LC's off it that had air exchange. they tend to do better, and yes, big chunks are already being formed! honey no activity...yet.
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