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Tea vs Dry
    #7660013 - 11/20/07 05:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Are mushrooms more potent in tea than when eaten dry?

And if normal dosage is around 3.5g dry, what would be the equivilant normal dosage in grams for tea?


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Re: Tea vs Dry [Re: jackal1317]
    #7660039 - 11/20/07 05:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

There is no physical way that putting the active chemicals of mushrooms into water or any other liquid would make the potency increase. It could make the onset/come-up faster, but it would never make it more potent.

if tea is done right, then 3.5 grams of dry mushrooms will equal 3.5 grams of cubes put into tea. Sometimes there are active chemicals lost in the process, but usually not a significant amount unless you mess up the process. (which evidently isn't all that hard.)

But unless you get nauseaus easily, i would just eat them dry. They aren't that hard to down. :shrug:


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Re: Tea vs Dry [Re: jackal1317]
    #7660040 - 11/20/07 05:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

to my knowledge doing a tea with just hot water does nothing to potency
yet it does seems to kick in faster this way

if you add some acidic or maoi containing ingredients the results may vary


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Re: Tea vs Dry [Re: goonstock]
    #7660052 - 11/20/07 05:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

maoi's potentiate the trip by allowing your body to absorb more psychedelic compounds from the mushrooms. (psilocybin/psilocin). It is not advised unless you don't mind throwing up, nausea, and you are a seasoned tripper. Definately not something you should do your first few times.


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Re: Tea vs Dry [Re: jackal1317]
    #7660057 - 11/20/07 05:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

First off, a weak dose of P. cubensis is about 3.5 grams. Go for 5-6 at least, unless it's your first time. Everyone requires different amounts, but the dose is generally 3.5 if you're only "testing the waters". Second, forget about tea. I don't know who keeps this lame method in circulation, but someone has to be kicked in the balls. You have to get a blender, a cup of fruit juice, and about 7 grams of dry shrooms if you want to trip.

Anything less is the same as going to a keg party and only drinking one beer. Happy tripping!


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Re: Tea vs Dry [Re: Hippie Chemist]
    #7660071 - 11/20/07 05:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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First off, a weak dose of P. cubensis is about 3.5 grams. Go for 5-6 at least, unless it's your first time. Everyone requires different amounts, but the dose is generally 3.5 if you're only "testing the waters". Second, forget about tea. I don't know who keeps this lame method in circulation, but someone has to be kicked in the balls. You have to get a blender, a cup of fruit juice, and about 7 grams of dry shrooms if you want to trip.

Anything less is the same as going to a keg party and only drinking one beer. Happy tripping!




NO.

5-6 grams of some cubes can be EXTREMELY strong. I have had trips on 2.5 grams that seemed like trips on 6 grams of another batch of cubes. Unless you have tried the batch already, or don't mind an (possibly extremely) intense trip, do NOT take that much.

Hippiechemist, please don't give out guidance like this to people.


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Re: Tea vs Dry [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7660111 - 11/20/07 06:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Hippiechemist, please don't give out guidance like this to people.




Come on, man. It's fun to go insane every once in a while. Everyone should find out for themselves that this isn't a party drug. I think it's good to learn early. Yeah, I have a twisted sense of humor.


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Re: Tea vs Dry [Re: Hippie Chemist]
    #7660125 - 11/20/07 06:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

If I took 5-6 grams of the cubes I typically buy around here, I would need a dark, quiet house all to myself with no people and a wonderful day to set it up; otherwise I would have little confidence in my ability to comfortably stomach that level of shroom dose.

Fresh shrooms, and shrooms grown for personal use seem to hit me very differently, though, and I once had an awesome and easygoing 7g trip off of some grown by a friend of my brother's.

Back to the subject at hand, I always make a tea when dealing with dried shrooms. I hate the taste, I hate the texture, and I prefer a shorter come-up, so tea is the way to go. The only difference I detect is that the tea produces slightly less body discomfort, which is probably more psychological than anything else.


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Re: Tea vs Dry [Re: jackal1317]
    #7660261 - 11/20/07 06:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

what is used as an maoi? and whats the other chemical that could vary the effects?? i read once that citris acid from lime would intensify trips??


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Re: Tea vs Dry [Re: jackal1317]
    #7660299 - 11/20/07 06:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

citris and maoi are two very different things. Citris, I'm not sure about the mechanism behind it, but people claim it intensifies trips, and makes them shorter.

an MAOI is a monamide oxidase inhibitor. Basically what it does is it alters the chemistry of the digestive tract, and nuetralizes the enzyme 'monamide oxidase'. Essentially just what it's name is. MAO is used to break down psychedelic compounds such as the ones found in magic mushrooms, as well as LSD, DMT, and mescaline.

Since it doesn't break down the compounds while they are in your stomach, more gets absorbed into the blood stream. This also makes some people nauseaos and need to throw up, as the body tries to get rid of these compounds through purging, rather than enzymes.

Some commonly used maoi's are st johns wart, and syrian rue, and various prescription medications. The one that is used in ayahuasca, (the vine of the souls) is the the b. caapi vine. It is considered sacred by shaman who brew ayahuasca into a tea. syrian rue being the most powerful natural one.

Maoi's are mildy psychedelic on their own as well. Though not too powerful in low doses, and often causing discomfort in the stomach, they do have their own effects.


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Re: Tea vs Dry [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7660509 - 11/20/07 08:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, there are some prescription MAOI's, but I can't think of the names right now. There's MAOI-A and MAOI-B. MAOI-A is what you need since it acts on the enzymes in the stomach and digestive tract, rather than just in the blood.

As far as citric acid goes, I believe it's suggested just because it begins to break down the mushrooms like, stomach acid would. The pH of citric acid in lemon juice is about 2, and that of stomach acid is closer to 1, so it would help a little to start extracting alkaloids before ingestion. A friend of mine does it all the time and says it helps a lot. I personally havn't noticed much of a difference. It masks the taste a lot, though.


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Re: Tea vs Dry [Re: Hippie Chemist]
    #7661322 - 11/21/07 12:34 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I use to be able to eat them dry but now I hate the taste. I started making tea and it was delicious the first few times but after that I cant stand to drink it and I always throw up now.

dry boomers just suck


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Re: Tea vs Dry [Re: legallyhomeless]
    #7661342 - 11/21/07 12:39 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

and wet are better? I think not
made my first tea a few weeks back, its was only 2 grams but I really enjoyed it. loaded it up with honey + jasmine green tea so the taste wasnt strong at all

(thats assuming that you made the tea with dry ones)


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Re: Tea vs Dry [Re: Hippie Chemist]
    #7661595 - 11/21/07 04:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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First off, a weak dose of P. cubensis is about 3.5 grams. Go for 5-6 at least, unless it's your first time. Everyone requires different amounts, but the dose is generally 3.5 if you're only "testing the waters". Second, forget about tea. I don't know who keeps this lame method in circulation, but someone has to be kicked in the balls. You have to get a blender, a cup of fruit juice, and about 7 grams of dry shrooms if you want to trip.

Anything less is the same as going to a keg party and only drinking
one beer. Happy tripping!




good gosh, what a load of shit.

I've had my best expierence off of 3 grams in a tea.


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Re: Tea vs Dry [Re: cube talk]
    #7663527 - 11/21/07 03:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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good gosh, what a load of shit.

I've had my best expierence off of 3 grams in a tea.




Dude, are you trying to trip, or just watch the walls breathe?
I've met some people who are pretty sensitive to shrooms particularly, but they take high doses of acid...I guess it depends on the individual. My only problem with the tea method is that it's too easy to screw it up. If the water gets too hot, you break up the chemicals. If you don't eat the pulp, you miss out on a considerable amount of chemical. It's just too easy for a beginner to screw up in my opinion. Always go with the blender, and if you use tea, ALWAYS finish everything that goes into the tea. Wasting psilocybin is drug abuse.


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Re: Tea vs Dry [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7663534 - 11/21/07 03:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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There is no physical way that putting the active chemicals of mushrooms into water or any other liquid would make the potency increase. It could make the onset/come-up faster, but it would never make it more potent.

if tea is done right, then 3.5 grams of dry mushrooms will equal 3.5 grams of cubes put into tea. Sometimes there are active chemicals lost in the process, but usually not a significant amount unless you mess up the process. (which evidently isn't all that hard.)

But unless you get nauseaus easily, i would just eat them dry. They aren't that hard to down. :shrug:




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Re: Tea vs Dry [Re: smushrooms]
    #7663629 - 11/21/07 04:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Would powdering them and soaking it in lemon juice for a few hours be as effective or more than tea? You also couldnt fuck it up.


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