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Quake3
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Is getting over mental illness without meds really possible?
#7657985 - 11/20/07 07:06 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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My cat gave birth to kittens awhile back. I like observing animals because it teaches me about instincts and evolution and so forth. Anyway, all kittens were given the same care and treatment but they've all exhibited very different personalities. One was very friendly and never afraid of humans. Another was always anxious and her heart would race if I picked her up or tried to pet her. Others were in between those two extremes. This tells me that it is possible to be born with genes that make you more prone to anxiety, depression and so forth. This isn't new and we all know those, but this got me thinking. Besides, we aren't cats and I do believe that our cognitive and reasoning skills can override instincts.
My parents have plenty of mental illnesses, so genetically I probably do too. I was very depressed and had anxiety problems. I did not take meds, but I've tried every other way to get over them.. fast forward 10 years, I did get over them. I have no phobias, I have goals, and I am very enthusiastic about life. I accept things and overall I feel content.
However, physically I don't feel well. My quality of life is garbage. I don't recall anytime I've ever had energy. No matter how happy or enthusiastic I feel, I always just want to remain in bed. Being chronically tired also makes me very irritable and anti-social, and restricts me from what I want to do (high energy activities). I am only anti-social because talking is too much work when I'm tired, but deep down I want to converse and joke and etc. My body also gets numb sometimes. Nobody takes this seriously, but I cannot drive because I don't know how much pressure to apply to the pedals, I cannot take things out of my pockets or do anything that requires an accurate hand (can't even pick my nose). It sounds serious but my neurologist says I'm perfectly fine physically. "Are you a tense guy?" she said.
All my physicians (and I've been to a lot, gotten MRIs, Xrays, etc) say it's likely psychological. Knowing that the problems are all in my head doesn't make much of a difference. They don't go away, and I can't just make them go away, whether I accept that they are psychological or not.
I've been through everything, dozens of diets, meditation, exercise, my sleep schedule is fine, etc.. the only thing that seems to make a difference is meditation. This is how I got over my depression and anxiety, but the physical symptoms persist. The only thing that "worked" for my energy was Zoloft. It slowed down time; It felt like I was on MDMA 24/7, albeit giving me diarrhea and insomnia for two months straight. Anyway, I can't afford to order this online without an Rx. (I know some people are gonna read what I just said and order this online and snort it. DO NOT fuck with it! It is not recreational and causes death - Get real drugs)
Keep in mind that on the outside nothing seems wrong. I have many friends, I'm social, I flirt and get flirted with, and my self-esteem is probably too high if anything.
Has anybody gotten over anxiety or depression without meds successfully for a prolonged period without relapsing?
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Re: Is getting over mental illness without meds really possible? [Re: Quake3]
#7658052 - 11/20/07 07:46 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm bad bipolar with panic disorder and I've been on all the classes of meds for them. They all temporarily worked then fucked me up even worse as my tolerance went up and had to take more medication and eventually get all the nasty side effects like even more depression,etc...
Shrooms and LSD are the only medicine that actually work. I've tried handling my depression using therapy, and other non-medical ways but shrooms definitely are a solution.
I do find a great deal of mental/physical relief when I am engaging in spiritual conversation, teaching others how to live right, doing something that gives me a feeling of accomplishment,,, all positive mental exercise. However, I would say that you can still be tripping balls and be depressed and down if life is shitty, so making sure you are satisfied with life and trust in God/Jesus to guard and guide you is a necessity I believe.
So keep on eating the shrooms and search for some positive goals to accomplish to get your body excited to live!
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Re: Is getting over mental illness without meds really possible? [Re: AncientBeing]
#7658121 - 11/20/07 08:29 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm going to play devils advocate here and say that LSD and mushrooms aren't always the answer and in some people it may make their problems extremely worse.
although i suppose that could also include meds you get from the doctor, but you could take mushrooms and have a extremely bad trip that triggers some mental illness, once you've ate them that's it, i doubt that would happen if you took one pill of whatever the doctors gives you.
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Re: Is getting over mental illness without meds really possible? [Re: AncientBeing]
#7658145 - 11/20/07 08:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Try powedering a very small amount of cubes and putting into gel caps. Then throughout the day take one capsule. Adjust the anount in each capsule until you JUST start to actually feel the effects. I do this two days per week, my days off, and my energy level, mood, motivation goes through the roof. I am not talking about actually tripping, just a very slight vibration all day.
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Re: Is getting over mental illness without meds really possible? [Re: Glacier Creek]
#7658175 - 11/20/07 09:11 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Glacier Creek said: Try powedering a very small amount of cubes and putting into gel caps. Then throughout the day take one capsule. Adjust the anount in each capsule until you JUST start to actually feel the effects. I do this two days per week, my days off, and my energy level, mood, motivation goes through the roof. I am not talking about actually tripping, just a very slight vibration all day.
I used to do that. It works surprisingly well. I think minus the abuse issue, psilocybin used this way would make a very effective anti-depressant. There are no side effects and I don't feel drugged at all.
From experience, I can attest that psychedelics help big time. An intense trip usually leaves me feeling "perfect" for weeks afterwards. However, I'm wondering what the problem is exactly so I can try to fix it without meds. I probably just need to find what I really enjoy, because I do become overly hyped and energetic about very specific goals/tasks.
Thanks for your replies.
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Re: Is getting over mental illness without meds really possible? [Re: Quake3]
#7658318 - 11/20/07 10:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree, taking just the minimum dose to get a level 1-2 trip where you only get uplifted mood and energy is great and will leave you functional to work, etc.
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Re: Is getting over mental illness without meds really possible? [Re: Quake3]
#7658340 - 11/20/07 10:14 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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From experience, I can attest that psychedelics help big time. An intense trip usually leaves me feeling "perfect" for weeks afterwards. However, I'm wondering what the problem is exactly so I can try to fix it without meds. I probably just need to find what I really enjoy, because I do become overly hyped and energetic about very specific goals/tasks.
You sound definitely bipolar to me. I believe that people who exhibit bipolar/panic tendencies are genetically REQUIRED to eat shrooms,etc like the psilocybin/baeocystin is a vitamin that they are lacking. The mental/physical discomfort is the result of tripping deficiency.
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Re: Is getting over mental illness without meds really possible? [Re: AncientBeing]
#7659392 - 11/20/07 03:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i would say getting over a mental illness without meds is the ONLY way possible. otherwise you are just treating symptoms, not problems.
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Re: Is getting over mental illness without meds really possible? [Re: AncientBeing]
#7660150 - 11/20/07 06:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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AncientBeing said: The mental/physical discomfort is the result of tripping deficiency.
They make up illnesses like ADD and RLS.. I wish they'd make Tripping Deficiency Disorder (TDD) an official illness also.
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Re: Is getting over mental illness without meds really possible? [Re: beneath]
#7663352 - 11/21/07 02:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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There seems to be allot of new-age spiritual advice on this board with a total anti-meds stance.
Obviously there's meds being handed out like candy for some things but their's also legitimate uses for them.
I don't think people saying "find god" or stuff like "take loads of mushrooms" is always the answer, it seems that people here think meds are NEVER the answer, maybe allot of times they aren't the answer but people seem to not like it when they ARE part of the answer.
I think for the people that need to pay for their meds(like in U.S) the perception of them are skewed because money comes into the equation.
I think both sides of the coin should be embraced, meds(if necessary) and spiritual/psychological/cognitive behaviour therapy type stuff.
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Re: Is getting over mental illness without meds really possible? [Re: beneath]
#7663554 - 11/21/07 03:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i think the problem is that most of the medications being referred to are anti-depressants, painkillers and to treat ADD, ADHD, RLS (restless leg syndrome), etc.
Of course certain medications have legitimate uses, however the trend seems to encourage drowning your pain and sorrows with legal narcotics, which is treating symptoms, not problems. Speaking of symptoms, the side effects for some of these meds are worse than the original symptoms!
I hear an ad last night for anti-depressants, and towards the end it said "may cause suicidal thoughts, or suicidal tendencies."
wtf?
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Re: Is getting over mental illness without meds really possible? [Re: kotik]
#7663646 - 11/21/07 04:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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kotik said:
I hear an ad last night for anti-depressants, and towards the end it said "may cause suicidal thoughts, or suicidal tendencies."
wtf?
yeah ironic
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Re: Is getting over mental illness without meds really possible? [Re: Quake3]
#7663800 - 11/21/07 04:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just want to chime in and say that there is no proof whatsoever that things like depression or anxiety are genetic or even physiological.
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Re: Is getting over mental illness without meds really possible? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7663904 - 11/21/07 05:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i am doing it. what is the cause of your unhappiness?
it is because we think about material things all day that we are not happy. trying to be happy thru sensory experiences and thinking happy thoughts is like trying to catch the wind. you are happiness.
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Re: Is getting over mental illness without meds really possible? [Re: sleepy]
#7664952 - 11/21/07 09:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Everything comes down to what you believe.
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Re: Is getting over mental illness without meds really possible? [Re: Kristian]
#7664991 - 11/21/07 09:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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How is your diet?
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Re: Is getting over mental illness without meds really possible? [Re: Quake3]
#7667682 - 11/22/07 05:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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its been said already though i thought worth emphasizing. nutrition is key, emotional, mental, intellectual, metaphysical, spiritual, -- healthy relationships to nature, family, world , enjoy life is all. i have had some anxiety issues but they work themselves out in good time.
there are ways to bypass the anxiety cannabis, slowly build your tolerance over time, or alcohol, xanax, meditation, excercise, eating right, etc etc help imo
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Re: Is getting over mental illness without meds really possible? [Re: Quake3]
#7674957 - 11/24/07 03:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think it's entirely possible. I used to be the most depressed, slothful piece of shit and I got over it without drugs. You just have to seriously wipe off your pussy and take charge of your life.
Everyone goes about their day, bitching and moaning, popping pills in disparity but that's not going to do shit. You want change? INITIATE CHANGE, FFS!!!!
It might sound stupid but an ex-gf just told me to get over myself and stop feeling shitty. I thought about it lots. Did drugs lots. Took scripts lots. Relapsed and felt nasty withdrawal symptoms after stopping SSRIs and did a lot of whining like a bitch. But you just have to wipe off your vag and stop being depressed.
You can live your life in a shitty hole and keep posting on the Shroomery all your life, but until you take charge you're not going to change. It just don't happen, you need to make it happen. That's why I'm never on this site anymore. I have way better things to do than to feel sorry about myself and pretend that I'm searching for answers. If you REALLY look, you will find the answers you're looking for. And you will learn the lessons you yearn to acquire.
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Re: Is getting over mental illness without meds really possible? [Re: AncientBeing]
#7676375 - 11/24/07 11:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I like shrooms just as much as anyone else does...but I don't agree that they rid people of mental problems.
I grew shrooms and thought they could help me. It started off really well, but I had a really terrifying trip. I could not tell what was real and sat there with my shotgun ready to shoot anything that moved...because the audio hallucinations were so insanely real. If someone actually entered my place I have no doubt I would have shot the fuck out of them.
I thought it would all go away, but even now when I sleep at night I hear voices, sounds like yelling. I just wanted to share this, because saying shrooms will heal people...is misinforming them IMO.
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Re: Is getting over mental illness without meds really possible? [Re: Quake3]
#7677587 - 11/25/07 11:25 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I got over severe chronic depression lasting over 6 years, without meds. In fact I was on meds for a while and they only made it worse.
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