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Saidin
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Re: Surfer Dude Praised By Physicists for his Theory of the Universe. [Re: DieCommie]
#11969503 - 02/05/10 02:02 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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I made an analogy, and an apt one to counter your statement that there is no difference between passive and active observation.
-------------------- What, you ask, was the beginning of it all? And it is this... Existence that multiplied itself For sheer delight of being And plunged into numberless trillions of forms So that it might Find Itself Innumerably. -Sri Aubobindo
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DieCommie

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Re: Surfer Dude Praised By Physicists for his Theory of the Universe. [Re: Saidin]
#11970674 - 02/05/10 05:08 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Im not sure how you are defining those terms precisely, but from what I can infer here I will say there is no such thing as passive observation in science. You can never quietly observe some system without interacting with it - the observer is always part of the system.
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Re: Surfer Dude Praised By Physicists for his Theory of the Universe. [Re: DieCommie]
#11971054 - 02/05/10 06:00 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Semantics aside it still means that cosmologists are 94% in the dark (ie guessing) about what makes up our universe. Sounds like a pretty insufficient theory to me.
That may be, but surfer dude's theory does not provide any superior ability (at least not yet). And no, its not guessing... but that is a topic of another subject.
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The difference between observation and experiment is far from moot. Might as well say that the difference between religion and science is moot, they are each ways of explaining the universe.
Ha, you just compared it to religion vs science with no explanation at all. Ill explain why the difference is moot. If I want to find a law of gravity I can sit under a tree and wait for an apple to fall and observe what happens. Or I can set up an experiment and drop an apple and then observe what happens. It doesnt matter which way I do it - they are each observations. If I want to find out how nature behaves when particles collide I can look into space and find particles that are colliding and observe what happens. I could also build a collider experiment and then observe what happens. In each case they are observations. There is no real difference between observations and experiment.
^^^ this guy is the smartest person in the world. Listen to what he has to say bwhaha whatever.
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Saidin
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Re: Surfer Dude Praised By Physicists for his Theory of the Universe. [Re: DieCommie]
#11973386 - 02/06/10 01:22 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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DieCommie said: Im not sure how you are defining those terms precisely, but from what I can infer here I will say there is no such thing as passive observation in science. You can never quietly observe some system without interacting with it - the observer is always part of the system.
Ahh, so therefore there is no objective reality? Now we are getting somewhere.
We are talking differences of degree. I concede that looking at the sky, and doing particle collisions are both forms of observation. But to say that there is no real or meaningful difference is the same as saying that there is no difference between religion and science as they both try to explain the universe though thier own form of observation.
There is no real difference between 1 and 100, they are both numbers... No real difference between love and hate, they are both emotions...
etc. etc.. etc...
In any case it is a pointless argument and has nothing to do any longer with this thread.
I know from my own experience that I see that E8 pattern everywhere when I am on LSD or Pharmahuasca, long long before I knew what it was or what mathmatical perfection it is.
-------------------- What, you ask, was the beginning of it all? And it is this... Existence that multiplied itself For sheer delight of being And plunged into numberless trillions of forms So that it might Find Itself Innumerably. -Sri Aubobindo
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