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The Story Behind The Story: The Salvia Effect
    #7657567 - 11/20/07 02:01 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.wtoctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7371936&nav=0qq6

Every once and a while, a story generates a lot of feedback.

Sometimes, it's phone calls immediately after the story airs.

Other instances, it's a large amount of e-mail.

Then, there is the buzz on the street.

No pun intended, but my special assignment on salvia generated quite a few questions while I have been out and about, whether working or just out and about.

Read or watch it now: Special Assignment: Salvia Use Growing in Georgia.

There have been folks who told me they actually tried salvia, and described their experience.

Others wondered why we even reported on the story if salvia wasn't a problem in Savannah.

Sonny Dixon asked me the same question at the end of my story.

The answer is simple. While parents may not know about salvia, and no one is reporting use of the plant which, when smoked, is compared to LSD, your kids probably do know about it.

If you search Youtube and type in salvia, two things struck me.

One, a whole lot of people like to videotape themselves acting like fools.

Two, majority of those people are kids.

Do their parents know what they are doing? I am guessing, probably not.

As a news reporter, I am supposed to inform and educate.

Now, anyone who watched the story knows what it is, where it can be found, and what is going on in other communities across the country.

To simply say, "It's not happening here," to me, seems irresponsible and unrealistic.

Obviously, from the reaction I have received, people do know about and are abusing it.

Now, parents know about it too, and can have a better handle on what kinds of stuff their kids may be getting into, and then, posting that stuff on the internet.

And, for the record, no.

I have not tried Salvia.


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Re: The Story Behind The Story: The Salvia Effect [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7657625 - 11/20/07 02:27 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Who would compare salvia to LSD? Completely different... Like Meth and coffee or something


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Re: The Story Behind The Story: The Salvia Effect [Re: johnm214]
    #7657724 - 11/20/07 03:38 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i think the only thing really keeping away a wide spread ban is the fact not to many ppl find it enjoyable


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Re: The Story Behind The Story: The Salvia Effect [Re: myCo_psyCo]
    #7657951 - 11/20/07 06:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Salvia will not be legal long.



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Re: The Story Behind The Story: The Salvia Effect [Re: Blend]
    #7658133 - 11/20/07 08:34 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

these fucking douchebags piss me off to no extent. why cant they just for once write an unbiased article about salvia? maybe even interview ONE person that doesnt have their head up their ass?


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Re: The Story Behind The Story: The Salvia Effect [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7658470 - 11/20/07 10:53 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Listening to the ignorance in that video is enough to make me consider self-immolation, but I bet if I wrote a suicide note about how CNN and the media are responsible nobody would ever hear about it.

The people in positions of responsibility are either too dumb or are in such denial that they fail to realize the simple fact that the drug pronounced, as any drug does, thoughts and emotions that are already set into the individuals mind.

The fact that he accepted the idea of meaningless existence as his definite answer and continued onward to refuse to live life knowing "the secret", which could have enabled him to do whatever he wanted in life - to enjoy life - knowing it mattered not, shows that his fate was already determined.

The mother says in regards to her son's suicide note that "That's definately not the attitude that [he] had, at all, that not even like him."  Guess what mom, children don't talk to their parents about the things they really think.

I've been a "model child" in my mother's eyes my entire life.  If I even began to tell her truthfully the things I really think, she wouldn't know who I was either.  Few parents know who their children are, and most of them probably wouldn't really want to know.

There is no after-effect of depression for those who aren't already predisposed to depression.  My salvia trips scared the hell out of me and turned my world upside down - I went out and found social comfort immediately after.  I don't even know how to use it effectively, and am afraid to try it again, but I'm very upset with this fear-mongering and the introduction of misinformation on this subject that will surely result in illegality and more violated constitutional and humanitarian rights.

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Those who supposedly use it..



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We don't know if that's what he and other who have posted on the internet are really smokin'..



Wonderfully skewed introduction into the report.

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But if you believe what these online users say, Salvia is something good, something to be celebrated, at as little as $15 a pop..



Yes, because we all know if it costs less than a bottle of Patron, a 58" flat-screen TV or a Mercedes-Benz S-Class it won't bring you happiness, knowledge, wisdom, a big dick, a good sex life, complacent children or anything else you might possibly want.

Salvia Divinorum didn't murder your child lady, he killed himself.  How many people drink themselves into depression and murder themselves?  No, they're depressed, alcohol=OK.  You murdered your child, you and your ignorance and the public schools and their ignorance and the churches and their ignorance and the media and their brainwashing, all of which you offered to your child in forceful, plentiful doses.  There's my skewed extremist perhaps ignorant view for you dumb sheep-devil bitch.

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Re: The Story Behind The Story: The Salvia Effect [Re: elbisivni]
    #7658704 - 11/20/07 11:31 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You're missing one major point. There was no mention of salvia actually in his suicide note. That is a lie that his parents and the media have perpetrated. His references to salvia were supposedly in his journal and NOT in the actual suicide note.

He also came from a broken home with divorced parents and used several other drugs including alcohol. Those were probably much larger factors in his suicide. His parents are trying to escape their own responsibility for his suicide by blaming salvia.


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Re: The Story Behind The Story: The Salvia Effect [Re: fastfred]
    #7658774 - 11/20/07 11:46 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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[She] offers an essay, the suicide note her 17 year old son left behind describing his thoughts while on salvia:

"Salvia allows us to give up our senses and wander in the interdimensional time and space -- our existence is in general, pointless... How could I go on living after I knew the secret of life?"



Am I being misinformed here? Probably. You say the references to salvia were supposedly in his journal but the not suicide note, what trustworthy evidence is there of this?

Even if the passage above is not from the actual suicide note, I'd say it has a reasonably close connection.

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His parents are trying to escape their own responsibility for his suicide by blaming salvia.



I agree.


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Re: The Story Behind The Story: The Salvia Effect [Re: elbisivni]
    #7659470 - 11/20/07 03:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett's_law




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Over three months after Chidester's suicide, with no evidence of any trace of salvinorin being found in his system, Delaware’s deputy chief medical examiner, Dr. Adrienne Sekula-Perlman, altered his death certificate to include Salvia divinorum use as a contributing cause of his death. She has subsequently refused to comment on her decision. [3]

It is difficult to determine how much Salvia divinorum really contributed to the death of Chidester and the association with his suicide has been widely debated.

Contrary to some news reports, his suicide note did not mention Salvia. Chidester had written about his experiences, and some published accounts have invited the inference they were written just prior to his death. His diary or journal entries said:

Salvia allows us to give up our senses and wander in the interdimensional time and space.... Also, and this is probably hard for most to accept, our existence in general is pointless. Final point: Us earthly humans are nothing.





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Re: The Story Behind The Story: The Salvia Effect [Re: abesh]
    #7659506 - 11/20/07 03:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Ah yes, I vaguely remember reading that, thanks for refreshing my memory.

Your avatar rocks my world btw. I think there's something we can all learn from it.


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Re: The Story Behind The Story: The Salvia Effect [Re: elbisivni]
    #7660903 - 11/20/07 10:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I thought his stuff was illegal?


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Re: The Story Behind The Story: The Salvia Effect [Re: Minion]
    #7661237 - 11/21/07 12:01 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Minion said:
I thought his stuff was illegal?




that statment means nothing. It is illegal someplaces; it is legal someplaces


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Re: The Story Behind The Story: The Salvia Effect [Re: johnm214]
    #7661242 - 11/21/07 12:03 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Steven Martin is the codirector quoted as saying depression can be caused by salvia.  This doesn't make any sense.  Other than a few case studies, I found no experiments investigating salvia and depression.

Surprised a scientist would make a statment like that without proof, I delved into his background.  Seems this scientist isn't really, from his C.V.:

M.Sc. in Economics, London School of Economics and Political Science, 1973; M.A. in Sociology, University of Michigan, 1978)


anyone w/ a sociology degree is not a scientist, and what the hell does economics have to do with what he was talking about?  This man is not credible unless he comes up w/ sources, :thumbdown:


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Re: The Story Behind The Story: The Salvia Effect [Re: johnm214]
    #7661637 - 11/21/07 05:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It hardly matters. This whole report could have been complete and total bullshit. Chidester could have not existed, and this report would still have the same effect on people, and on scheduling salvia. Mad world.


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Re: The Story Behind The Story: The Salvia Effect [Re: johnm214]
    #7673012 - 11/24/07 12:09 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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johnm214 said:
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Minion said:
I thought his stuff was illegal?




that statment means nothing. It is illegal someplaces; it is legal someplaces




I'm missing out then.....


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Re: The Story Behind The Story: The Salvia Effect [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7673037 - 11/24/07 12:24 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

These people should all be killed. They are treading on our Constitutional rights and are no better than those Redcoats that had their asses handed to them over 200 years ago. They deserve a bullet to the back of the head and a shallow grave to remind future generations not to fuck with the cognitive freedoms of the American people.


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Re: The Story Behind The Story: The Salvia Effect [Re: DNKYD]
    #7673100 - 11/24/07 12:48 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The legislators or the cops, perhaps, but not the asshat parents or pseudoscientists. They should be allowed to spread their nonsense unhinered. It's the legislature that is responsibel, followed by the pig patrol.


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Re: The Story Behind The Story: The Salvia Effect [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7673200 - 11/24/07 01:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

There was an article similar to this in my local newspaper about 2 years ago.


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