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Re: Mullah thumping [Re: Basilides]
    #7660770 - 11/20/07 09:31 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Absolutely 100%. As soon as you tell me how it can be done.




Democratic Peace Theory. When autocratic and despotic regimes cease to exist, nuclear disarmament will be possible.




How many nukes will it take to accomplish that?

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Re: Mullah thumping [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7660780 - 11/20/07 09:36 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Democratic Peace Theory




I can get down with that... as long as we realize that in most of the rest of the world the U.S. government has not only not advanced peace (which can only be achieved when a people first have full self-determination) & democracy, it has aggressive prevented & subverted them.




It's important to remember American foreign policy in its entire context, not merely the Cold War and post-Cold War Machiavellianism we're currently familiar with. America has in fact built prospering and peaceful democracies (South Korea and Japan for example), but it's imperative to note these these were birthed from internationalist involvement on the part of the U.S.
The Ameri-centrism of today's American policy, while entirely dubious and un-enlightened, nonetheless only threatens despotic regimes. While this would be a miniscule issue if America actually succeeded in establishing functioning and secure democracies, this is sadly not the case because the conflicts that be are entwined with the United States directly, not the international community. Hence the popular repetition of "defending democracy" rhetoric, as it attempts legitimize American wars as an expression of Democratic Peace Theory when this couldn't be further from the truth.


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Re: Mullah thumping [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #7660802 - 11/20/07 09:41 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Absolutely 100%. As soon as you tell me how it can be done.




Democratic Peace Theory. When autocratic and despotic regimes cease to exist, nuclear disarmament will be possible.




How many nukes will it take to accomplish that?




None. War cannot bring about democracy in a non-internationalist manner. Un-egalitarian countries will have to gradually bring to life such fundamental principles on their own.


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Re: Mullah thumping [Re: Basilides]
    #7660817 - 11/20/07 09:47 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I wish I could believe that can happen, but nothing short of a malthusian disaster would shake peoples complacency. Man is very out of rythm in the world he lives in, rational people pointed nukes at each other in the 60's, what is rational and what is reality is no longer as easy to grasp anymore.

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Re: Mullah thumping [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #7660965 - 11/20/07 10:39 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

What was real is that the U.S. and USSR both did not want to get nuked, and mutual rationalism worked out in the end. I should also mention, in the 1960's there were alot more despotic governments that are today liberal democracies. It's a slow, but gradual process. I do believe the world will become fully egalitarian at a certain point.


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Re: Mullah thumping [Re: Basilides]
    #7661004 - 11/20/07 10:52 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

When we are forced too...

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Re: Mullah thumping [Re: zorbman]
    #27722883 - 04/06/22 06:29 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Just trying to get my ten posts in. Apologies.


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