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Armillaria ID Request
    #7655446 - 11/19/07 03:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

hey there shroomerites!~

i went for a jaunt around the neighbourhood this afternoon, and BAM!
right outside my house were these large clumps of what i believe are Armillaria of some description. there seem to be two distinct "types" (mainly differentiated by colour), but they are so phenotypically similar that i think they must be related. however, the lighter type were growing directly from the wood, whilst the darker were growing near the wood.

so anyway, what do you think?
have i found some tasty honey mushrooms? would you eat them?













Habitat: Wood/Ivy - Some were growing directly from a tree, others seemed clumped very near the same tree and a stump.

Gills: Ranging from yellowish off-white to orangey off-white. Attached, descending stem.

Stem: Fibrous, woodlike in appearance but soft to the touch, with white furry hairs towards top. Persistent white annulus near top, soft to the touch also.

Cap: Ranging from pale off-white with tannish outer "ring" to darker tan/orangish with similar ring. Both types have small hairs, mainly whitish, but definitely some black ones, particularly on the darker "type"

Spore Print: I've got a specimen of each "type" printing upstairs, but you can see the white spore deposits they've dropped all over each other, so i'm pretty confident we're looking at white spores here.

Bruising: Stem on lighter "type" bruised yellowish when handled.

Location: Coastal SoCal baby. Another well-watered area.


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Re: Armillaria ID Request [Re: faceofbear]
    #7655474 - 11/19/07 03:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

they look more like gallerina, it would help with a spore print.


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Re: Armillaria ID Request [Re: quiksilver98]
    #7655510 - 11/19/07 04:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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quiksilver98 said:
they look more like gallerina, it would help with a spore print.





no not galerina. I think they are armillaria. They spores should be white. it looks like you can see some white spore in one of the pics on the veil.

I dont have much experience with this species so wait for a better ID.


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Re: Armillaria ID Request [Re: quiksilver98]
    #7655512 - 11/19/07 04:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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quiksilver98 said:
they look more like gallerina, it would help with a spore print.




check out the spore deposits on their caps.
definitely white.
that's why i felt i didn't need to wait for the print.


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Re: Armillaria ID Request [Re: faceofbear]
    #7655540 - 11/19/07 04:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Honey mushrooms for sure.

Finding out the exact species takes some microscope work. If it lacks clamp connections at the base of the basidia then it is Armillaria mellea. If it has them it is Armillaria ostoyae or a closely related species.


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Re: Armillaria ID Request [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7656099 - 11/19/07 05:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yep armillarea , they smell like honey i bet , here does, you know what they said , that you have to cook it real good , raw are poisonus some people get alergic reactions so is advisble to eat few first time and so on, , nice to see the variation of the color of the younger specimen and older but same especie , do you notice the slight grenish color of stem that sometimes they have , i have hear or read there are some substamce in some armillarea that are responsible for the poison when raw, i wonder if it has to do with the bruising they get some times , don´t get me wrong just curiuos about it, some people say they love this mushrooms just ask georgem and toxic man


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Re: Armillaria ID Request [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7656124 - 11/19/07 06:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, i'd read about the clamped basidia...pity i no longer have my battered old microscope...

so in either case they're good edibles?
[i know some people have adverse gastric reactions to armillarias]

edit: in addition, is there any risk involved with imbibing alcohol and eating armillaria? i haven't heard of any interaction, but i've had a beer and my stepmum's had a glass of wine, and we're thinking about trying a small amount.

finally, anyone have suggestions for a favourite honey mushroom preparation [toxicman i'm looking in your direction :wink:]?
we're thinking saute in butter w/ garlic & onion or something...

alrighty then,

thanks for your answers

~faceofbear


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Re: Armillaria ID Request [Re: faceofbear]
    #7656698 - 11/19/07 08:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

As already noted, Armillaria. Those are probably A. ostoyae, but all of the species are edible. A. ostoyae is the only species I've found here in Colorado, and it's listed as the one most likely to cause poisoning. I have yet to be poisoned by them (keeping fingers crossed).

I have not heard of alcohol interactions with Honey Mushrooms. So you should be OK there.

The most important thing is to be certain you've cooked them thoroughly. We're recommending something like 25 minutes in the frying pan, just to be sure. It's not a bad idea to cook these until they're a bit crunchy. According to Tom Volk, it's likely that many (if not most) of the poisonings from this species are from undercooking.


Your suggestion is exactly where I would go, especially for a first try. Some butter, garlic, and onion (perhaps a little ginger) and salt/pepper to taste. I think they do fairly well for the classic steak and mushrooms.

Happy mushrooming!


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