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Harveh
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does size matter
#7654875 - 11/19/07 02:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey every one, I'm new here and I'm just starting to grow, before i buy, does the size of the jar i use matter?
if i use a 4oz jar then it will birth faster than a 8-12oz right?
but will the amount of media that i use affect the size, or quality of the cubensis that i plan to grow?
I'm thinking of using these http://www.freshpreserving.com/products/ball__regular_mouth__4_oz__quilted_crystal_glass_jelly_preserving_jars/26.php?page_id=19
but these http://www.freshpreserving.com/products/ball__regular_mouth__8_oz__quilted_crystal_glass_jelly_preserving_jars/29.php?page_id=19
and these http://www.freshpreserving.com/products/ball__regular_mouth__12_oz__quilted_crystal_glass_jelly_preserving_jars/4.php?page_id=19
are all available in the hardware store down the street, since i can get all of the sizes, witch would be preferable?
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Re: does size matter [Re: Harveh]
#7654898 - 11/19/07 02:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Size isnt that much of an issue depending on what you use them for.
For pf tek, 1/2 pint is most recomended, but pints are possible to use, they just take longer to colinise, i wouldnt use anything bigger than a pint though.
For grains, bigger sizes are just fine.
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the 1/4th pints usually colonize in about 4 days using LC, it just takes an assload to get enough of what you want, and would preferably only be used if on a must use basis.
IF you have to use pints, I would recommend only filling half way, and verm on top the rest. BRF in pints just won't work, the weight packs it down no matter what you do, no matter how fluffy airy u put the sub into the jar, nature takes its course.
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Re: does size matter [Re: Harveh]
#7654910 - 11/19/07 02:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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she might tell you that size doesn't matter. . . But it sure helps!
I would go with the 8oz and get wide mouth! Unless you're doing grain in which case go big.
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Re: does size matter [Re: Harveh]
#7654916 - 11/19/07 02:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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well i assume your doing cakes with BRF. the size of the jar does not matter unless obviously you want more shrooms. a larger jar will only take more time to colonize not birth. If you are a new grower then i would reccommend using the smaller jars so you can get a feel for the hobby. or better yet make 1 or 2 larger substrate jars so you can compare yields. as far as amount of media by which i believe your reffering to the substrate does a have a immediate impact on size and quality. a mushroom needs nutrients and water to grow thus the more nutrients you give it the bigger it shall grow. However there are loop holes i have seen 50 gram shrooms pop off a BRF cake. you need a little hands on experience to really understand. if u use the brf cakes jus follow this site keep the growing conditions optimal and u will not be saddened by your results
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Re: does size matter [Re: Harveh]
#7654921 - 11/19/07 02:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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It depends on the substrate that you will be using. I am going to go ahead and assume that you will be doing a PFtek experiment. In that case, having smaller jars will obviously produce smaller cakes, which will in turn smaller yields per cake.
However, the larger the jar, the longer the wait for the mycelium to completely colonize said jar. Get the 8oz. jars (1/2 pints) and work with those.
Or use rye.
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Re: does size matter [Re: thedefone]
#7654973 - 11/19/07 02:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I had a similar question.. can yo go ridiculously small?? ie. film canisters.. i figured it would yield less but i wondered if there was a "critical mass" point b4 it would fruit
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Re: does size matter [Re: PirateMike]
#7654989 - 11/19/07 02:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I guess u could go as small as u want, i have seen mushrooms grow from very small peices of substrate, i have even seen a mushroom grow from an agar sample.
It just seems a little pointlesss to have lots and lots of very small cakes to produce a few doses, where half pint done right gives pretty decent results.
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I like the film canister idea.. i would not do it, but if someone came up with a 1 person micro tek that was easily sustainable that would be kinda cool..
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Re: does size matter [Re: Slimz]
#7655505 - 11/19/07 04:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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pftek in pint jars will not work, FUCKING QUOTE ME ON THAT. You will surely contam before you have success. I urge you to call on other sage advice on this, apparently none of you read what I typed.
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Re: does size matter [Re: jeetered]
#7655542 - 11/19/07 04:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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While pint cakes can work, they generally have higher fail rates than 1/2 pint due to many factors including contamination, substrate compaction, poorer gas exchange etc
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Re: does size matter [Re: Harveh]
#7655752 - 11/19/07 04:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Harveh
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Re: does size matter [Re: wilshire]
#7656187 - 11/19/07 06:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't have much grow space (vertically) so i think i will go with the 4oz jars, they are wide mouthed, and with shrooms in suck high demand I need the media/substrate to colonize and fruit as quickly as possible. Thanks for the help and tips everyone.
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Re: does size matter [Re: Harveh]
#7656266 - 11/19/07 06:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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but you will get much less amount off each cake and to get the same yeild you'll need much more space for all the extra cakes.
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Re: does size matter [Re: Nibin]
#7656321 - 11/19/07 06:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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what strain are you using......i would recommend brazilian if you want them asap they are very fast colonizers in my opinion.
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Re: does size matter [Re: highc]
#7657946 - 11/20/07 06:42 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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highc said: what strain are you using......i would recommend brazilian if you want them asap they are very fast colonizers in my opinion.
a cube is a cube is a cube.
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Re: does size matter [Re: jeetered]
#7657966 - 11/20/07 06:51 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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jeetered said: pftek in pint jars will not work, FUCKING QUOTE ME ON THAT. You will surely contam before you have success. I urge you to call on other sage advice on this, apparently none of you read what I typed.
Thats a very one sided argument.
Pint sized pf cakes do work, plenty of people half succesfully used full pints, i have 2 cakes about to pin that are 3/4 of a pint. Infact, im gonna make up a pint cake just to prove you wrong.
I jsut read a post a few minutes back, that someone used pints, 3 and a half weeks to colinise and they are pinning once fruited.
Yes there are a few draw bags, like more chance of contams, can be harder for the substrate to colinise, it may even stall. But it is possible.
To say that it wont work is a lie.
If you have the know how and the skills, you can colinse just about anything, have you seen some of the things RR has colinised??
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Re: does size matter [Re: jeetered]
#7658006 - 11/20/07 07:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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jeetered said:
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highc said: what strain are you using......i would recommend Brazilian if you want them asap they are very fast colonizers in my opinion.
a cube is a cube is a cube.
i know i know hear it all the time. However lets put the colonization time of Brazilian against the colonization time of Ban Phang Ka and tell me you cant tell of a noticeable difference. Also and i know others would agree that the trip is very different depending on which strain you ingest. some give more visual some more body fuck some more mind fuck anyone who says different either has not experienced multiple trips with different strains or didn't really care to pay attention to those kinds of things.
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Re: does size matter [Re: highc]
#7658011 - 11/20/07 07:22 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have noticed that the trip is slightly different so far. My EQ the breathing was over everything walls, where as my lipa yai the breathing was in a different pattern and only on surfaces with text, and patterned things. The body buzz was much higher with my lipa yai than the EQ even at lower dose 
But as far as how they grow and what they look like (escept for some novelty strains ie penis envy) they are very similar. Some do seem to colinise much quicker but not by much.
If you can grow 1 cube strain, then you can grow pretty much any of them.
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of course size matters
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Re: does size matter [Re: trscstghst]
#7658050 - 11/20/07 07:46 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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not the size its how you use it
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