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Re: Washington Times on Ron Paul Supporters [Re: Phred]
#7666521 - 11/22/07 10:28 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think it is relevant in that, when a cross group of Americans are shown 4 options, Paul came out ahead, of 3 other republican front runners.
True, there were no democrat options. They should have included them if the polling section was a mix. The page I linked to said it was just Voting Republicans.
I think all Jones was curious about, was to see how much of the typical polls are name recognition based and not character or issued based.
I think that poll proved that in the least.
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The page I linked to said it was just Voting Republicans.
Of course it did. The page is a Ron Paul advocacy site. They aren't famous for their accuracy.
Look, we've seen this over and over and over again from the Paulbots. They make some outrageous claim that is absurd on the face of it (like that Paul is polling at 15% or some other unbelievable figure, based on internet polls they've spammed, while all the national polls show him at below the level of error) and all Paul's supporters lap it up without blinking. No objective observer who has been following the political scene even half-heartedly would believe that even an anonymous Ron Paul could possibly beat the other Republican candidates at all in a Republican focus group, let alone whip them by 33%. That number is just so impossible that I knew instantly it had to be bogus. And of course, it was bogus. All I had to do to show it was bogus was to go straight to Zogby's site and find what the poll actually stated, not what your site claimed it stated. These Paulbots have no shame whatsoever.
You, on the other hand, accepted it uncritically. Why? Because you want to believe it. While I admire your fervor for your chosen candidate, I deplore the effect this fervor has had on your critical faculties. Wishing doesn't make things real. You and the rest of Paul's fans are doing yourselves no favors by swallowing the Alex Jones koolaid. If you don't have a realistic grasp of where Paul is, you have no hope in hell of steering him where you want him to end up. Next time some Paulbot site trumpets the results of this poll or that poll, don't take their word for it -- go to the original source and check. You'll save yourself some embarassment.
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Re: Washington Times on Ron Paul Supporters [Re: Phred]
#7673886 - 11/24/07 08:46 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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There was clearly some confusion regarding the fact that Zogby had two polls, one for each group. I don't think this confusion is too baseless to justify blatant critisicm of Ron Paul supporters. Clearly, Ron Paul received less support in the one that was strictly Republican-based. Of course, the likely Republican voter poll, over the telephone, only had 389 participants. The one that included Democrats and Independents had over 1000....
Who knows how the question was posed, regarding party affliation, or who they called? The fact is that Ron Paul's support transcends political lines, and, without access to hard information regarding modifying one's voter registration to vote for him in the primaries, it is safe to assume that a lot of Ron Paul's supporters are doing so/have done so in order to vote for him in the primaries.
Either way you slice it, a poll of 389 people over the telephone isn't really worth much. The discrepancies you point towards regarding the variances in the results of some polls as compared to others clearly illustrates the differences in the viewpoints of Americans, dependent upon how they access their information. Clearly, far more individuals who support Ron Paul utilize the internet to obtain information and to make their voice heard. Media exposure for Ron Paul, up until the last month or so, has been much more scarce. Ron Paul, however, has been highly effective in utilizing the chances he does get, on debates and on Jay Leno, to convey his ideas and to be heard, and clearly this is having great effect. Name recognition alone seems to be half the battle.
More and more, throughout the mainstream media (although I admit I have limited access, USA Today at work, U.S News and World Report, washingtonpost.com, whatever else I find searching on the net...), he is being talked about. Over and over again, I keep reading, through all kinds of sources, references to a transformative force in politics, how people are really identifying with his ideas and perspective and how much of a refreshing contrast is painted when compared to the norm of other politicans, of which a great number of Americans have become quite dissatisifed with.... The fact that he raised $4.3 million in one day isn't being ignored, it is getting the mainstream media talking... I'm hearing him being referred to as a dark horse now... 
As far as I can see, it only stands to get better and better for Ron Paul, going into these first primaries. I can't wait to see what happens.
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Re: Washington Times on Ron Paul Supporters [Re: fireworks_god]
#7673933 - 11/24/07 09:15 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok, then it's fair to say that both surveys were meaningless.
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Re: Washington Times on Ron Paul Supporters [Re: Redstorm]
#7673971 - 11/24/07 09:29 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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For the most part, yes.
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