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OfflineManianFHS
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End it all?
    #7654199 - 11/19/07 11:02 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

If you had the choice this moment to end everything in the universe, and make everything nothing would you, or would you let life continue? This includes physical and non-physical realms.

I would end existence at this moment, mainly to end all the suffering on earth, and to end the possibility of anybody suffering eternally in any type of 'hell'.


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Re: End it all? [Re: ManianFH]
    #7654233 - 11/19/07 11:16 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

No one should have that kind of control. Can you conceive nothingness?


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Re: End it all? [Re: ManianFH]
    #7654264 - 11/19/07 11:24 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You would be ending pleasure and enjoyment, too, because pleasure is only experienced together with pain, suffering. The possibility of suffering is only realized in the actuality of pleasure.

Hmm.

To the qestion i would say, no. For i see that the universe is balance, and anything within it, is the universe and so it is embraced within balance, aswell. So pain and pleasure, sadness and happiness, give me no reason to say yes i would end it.

What this question asks me is 'would i end the experience of pain and pleasure, the experience of knowledge and mystery, the process that embraces this. To this i must answere, yes and no. I know this sounds odd, but yes and no, simply because we must know the yes to know the no.

I think the question, implies that experiencing either or is nessecary in some way, but in lacking knowledge about something which would be desirable, we lack the desire and lack any suffering from not being able to live the desire. I do not think ending it or leaving it would change anything, because the universe is balance, whatever happens to it stays within balance, equal to anything else that could happen to it.

Seems like my answere is yes and no. ahahaah


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Re: End it all? [Re: ManianFH]
    #7654320 - 11/19/07 11:37 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

having another grumpy day?

bet a lot of people think that way
more in the winter than the summer too


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Re: End it all? [Re: ManianFH]
    #7654711 - 11/19/07 01:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

If you had the choice this moment to end everything in the universe, and make everything nothing would you,

Of course. What power!:thumbup:


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Re: End it all? [Re: Icelander]
    #7654788 - 11/19/07 01:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I wouldn't, simply because I'm very curious about what awaits after death even if I won't be there to find out.


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Re: End it all? [Re: ManianFH]
    #7654822 - 11/19/07 01:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

know way, might av a nap tho


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Re: End it all? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7654830 - 11/19/07 01:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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EternalCowabunga said:
I wouldn't, simply because I'm very curious about what awaits after death even if I won't be there to find out.




:smile:


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Re: End it all? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7654902 - 11/19/07 02:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'm very curious about what awaits after death even if I won't be there to find out.


This statement makes no sense.:thumbup:


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Re: End it all? [Re: ManianFH]
    #7654912 - 11/19/07 02:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I see no reason for such a pessimistic outlook. I prefer to follow this guy's advice:



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Re: End it all? [Re: Icelander]
    #7654929 - 11/19/07 02:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

no. if you wipe out existence, what is there. nothing matters. you cant wipe out pain, sadness, suffering, hurt. the greatest feeling i think a person can experience is the presence of love. and if i couldnt feel the love of others, others feel the love i share, the love I feel for God and likewise....no never.

and the thought that you rid the non-physical universe of hell, you also rid the non-physical universe of heaven. and there are two side to everything. so if you believe in hell you must believe in heaven and why would you want to wipe heaven from existence?


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Re: End it all? [Re: Proskier]
    #7654953 - 11/19/07 02:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Heaven sounds so fucking boring. I'm glad I don't believe in it.:lol:

By the way your post doens't make too much sense.:tongue:

no. if you wipe out existence, what is there. nothing matters. you cant wipe out pain, sadness, suffering, hurt. :crazy2:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Edited by Icelander (11/19/07 02:18 PM)


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Re: End it all? [Re: Icelander]
    #7655015 - 11/19/07 02:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

no. if you wipe out existence, what is there? nothing.

i meant that you cant wipe out pain, sadness, suffering, hurt because in doing so you wipe out love. and i guess i cant comprehend why you would want to wipe out such a beautiful thing.

if you wipe out everything to get ride of pain and suffering, you are also wipping out love, joy, happiness, etc.

and why does heaven sound boring?


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Re: End it all? [Re: Icelander]
    #7655032 - 11/19/07 02:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Before I ended it all, I would throw the greatest party ever held and everyone (except those who gave me a sub-excellent rating or questioned any of my pearls of wisdom or turned down my advances or dissed me in any way) would be invited.

It would make Woodstock and The Burning Man feel like a work day in comparison. Hangovers and burn-out would not exist and it would last for a thousand years.

Then *poof*!


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Re: End it all? [Re: ManianFH]
    #7655059 - 11/19/07 02:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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mickdawg666 said:
If you had the choice this moment to end everything in the universe, and make everything nothing would you, or would you let life continue? This includes physical and non-physical realms.

I would end existence at this moment, mainly to end all the suffering on earth, and to end the possibility of anybody suffering eternally in any type of 'hell'.




Why not threaten to end it all unless your demands were met?

You could always end it at a later date, thus nulling the pain you created.


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Re: End it all? [Re: Proskier]
    #7655084 - 11/19/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i meant that you cant wipe out pain, sadness, suffering, hurt because in doing so you wipe out love.

Duh. This is all implied in the origional question.


why does heaven sound boring?


Heaven sounds boring to me because of all the discriptions I have heard (from those who couldn't possibly know anything about it of course.:crazy2:) Plus I would have to be there with so called Christians and other religious folk and that would make me want to puke my fucking guts out. No sir. Heaven doesn't sound to good.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: End it all? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7655451 - 11/19/07 03:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Silversoul said:
I see no reason for such a pessimistic outlook.  I prefer to follow this guy's advice:






Thank you Silversoul, I thoroughly enjoyed that :grin:


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ChrisWho said: "It's all about the journey, not the destination."


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Re: End it all? [Re: Proskier]
    #7655546 - 11/19/07 04:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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and the thought that you rid the non-physical universe of hell, you also rid the non-physical universe of heaven. and there are two side to everything. so if you believe in hell you must believe in heaven and why would you want to wipe heaven from existence?




Your reply comes close to the reason for why I post this to begin with. Lets look beyond whats real, and into the what-ifs of religion for a second. There is the flip side to hell, which is heaven. And of course for a few to get into heaven, others must go to hell - this is how we all recognize the system to work. So, is the eternal bliss of some people worth the eternal suffering of others?

The answer should be always, no. Granted, a persons actions on this planet would theoretically be the reasons for why they are in hell, however, they did not ask to be in that position to begin with, so their entire existence was a form of entrapment. But even if a persons actions got them into hell, and lets say they even wanted life, before life, their punishment for about 122 years MAX of sinful living warrants an eternity in hell, where living a devout life to your god will get you eternal happiness?

The word eternal is scary in my opinion, with or without the words heaven or hell; obviously heaven is the better choice, but it wasnt my choice to want to have to make that decision. Something put us here and we have to make that decision, we were forced into it as far as I or anyone else can tell. I would rather have absolutely nothing. Blank for eternity, none of this ever happened, that seems fair for everyone.

Even if every soul that ever lived was guaranteed eternity and heaven, save a single organism that lived and could perceive pain that was to spend eternity in hell, I would still rather end it all than to put that one organism through suffering of any kind. Only if every living thing that ever existed was guaranteed life in heaven would it be worth not ending existence. Otherwise it might as well be absolutely nothing for everyone, for eternity.

This isn't some depressed rant, its just how I feel. I actually have it really good in this life and enjoy it immensely, but I would rather have absolutely nothing for everyone, so that nothing else would ever suffer again.


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Re: End it all? [Re: ManianFH]
    #7655936 - 11/19/07 05:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Your reply comes close to the reason for why I post this to begin with. Lets look beyond whats real, and into the what-ifs of religion for a second. There is the flip side to hell, which is heaven. And of course for a few to get into heaven, others must go to hell - this is how we all recognize the system to work. So, is the eternal bliss of some people worth the eternal suffering of others?

The answer should be always, no.




This statement has no support therefore in not valid.
You can't draw conclusions based on nothing but delusory views on the "after life".
Both feelings, bliss and suffering, are nothing else but how we choose to perceive this life, so you can't say that someone's state of well being is causing suffering to others.

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Granted, a persons actions on this planet would theoretically be the reasons for why they are in hell, however, they did not ask to be in that position to begin with, so their entire existence was a form of entrapment.




Which position are you talking about?

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But even if a persons actions got them into hell, and lets say they even wanted life, before life, their punishment for about 122 years MAX of sinful living warrants an eternity in hell, where living a devout life to your god will get you eternal happiness?




I still try to understand what makes you think that these things truly exist? None of us died, so how can you tell what happens afterwards? Might as well be nothing at all. :shrug:

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The word eternal is scary in my opinion, with or without the words heaven or hell; obviously heaven is the better choice, but it wasnt my choice to want to have to make that decision. Something put us here and we have to make that decision, we were forced into it as far as I or anyone else can tell.




What put us here?
Do you want to have a discussion based on facts, or is it all purely fictional?

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I would rather have absolutely nothing. Blank for eternity, none of this ever happened, that seems fair for everyone.





If it were to be blank, then "you", would not exist, in any form, so you wouldn't be able to acknowledge the state of nothingness.
And besides, how do you determine what's fair for everyone?

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Even if every soul that ever lived was guaranteed eternity and heaven, save a single organism that lived and could perceive pain that was to spend eternity in hell, I would still rather end it all than to put that one organism through suffering of any kind. Only if every living thing that ever existed was guaranteed life in heaven would it be worth not ending existence. Otherwise it might as well be absolutely nothing for everyone, for eternity.

This isn't some depressed rant, its just how I feel. I actually have it really good in this life and enjoy it immensely, but I would rather have absolutely nothing for everyone, so that nothing else would ever suffer again.




Existence is not guilty for people's sufferings.
We suffer because we choose to do so, because of the things we choose not no understand, because we choose not to deal with our insecurities, all of these result in suffering.
The same thing goes with happiness. We feel happy solely because of our choices, because it's our intention to do so.


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Here is true peace
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Re: End it all? [Re: ManianFH]
    #7656155 - 11/19/07 06:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I would use my power to blackmail all of the worlds governments into paying up big bucks on a regular basis. Then, begin forcing all those around me to do my will. Seems like a pretty sweet deal.


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