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Teared caps, humidity too low?
    #7653599 - 11/19/07 06:14 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I noticed some of my caps are starting to tear. I have 4 cakes, one of which is a bit bigger then the other three. The big ones caps are tearing. Is this because of  too low humidity? It is currently 94%. I'm having a hard time keeping it above above 95% since my FC is a bit too full with casings and cakes atm (not enough surface area for the perlite). However, it has never gone below 94%.

And here's a picture, since everyone loves pictures! (at least I do :wink: )


Oh, and I like the one in the upper left corner, it looks like an evil monster with sharp teeth!


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Re: Teared caps, humidity too low? [Re: bmy]
    #7653609 - 11/19/07 06:25 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

they are being affected by chemicals. cut back on lysol etc etc.
thats at least one thing i know that causes this. its called rosecombing. and yes the teeth thing is cool looking.
shrooms are still ok to eat i believe.

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Re: Teared caps, humidity too low? [Re: bmy]
    #7653610 - 11/19/07 06:26 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

What kind of humidity gauge have you got?? it could be needing calibrated.

Also, they could be mutants, i havnt seen caps tear like that due to low humidity, they look more like mutants


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Re: Teared caps, humidity too low? [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7653615 - 11/19/07 06:29 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

low humid would give a dryer appearance with tears on the caps but not straight thru. more like a scarring appearance.

as long as theres droplets on the side walls of your fc, youll be ok. just remember your fanning fresh air in

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Re: Teared caps, humidity too low? [Re: galadar]
    #7653629 - 11/19/07 06:36 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I wouldn't jump to the conclusion you need to "cut back on lysol". But yes, some environmental factor is causing it and not humidity. In fact those caps look quite humid and happy. Anything odd in your substrate/environment?

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Re: Teared caps, humidity too low? [Re: galadar]
    #7653634 - 11/19/07 06:41 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Should have given you a bit more info about the FC I see :smile:
It's a shotgun FC, 1 decimeter perlite layer. I haven't used any chemicals (execept water [H2O] misting). I'm fanning about 5 times per day. The FC is placed in indirect sunlight with an additional LED-light (see http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7633916/an/0/page/0). LEDs are on about 12 hours / day, and off 12 (do'h).

Since all other cakes are producing nice caps, mutants sounds like a reasonable
explanation. This would make my first mutants then! I'm so proud! :smile:

edit:
And I'm guessing it most have been something in the substrate since only one cake gives these caps. I made the cake in a ZipLock(tm) container. I think I cleaned it with chlorine. Maybe I didn't water-clean it enough after filling it up with substrate?

Substrate is BRF+Verm.


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Re: Teared caps, humidity too low? [Re: bmy]
    #7653639 - 11/19/07 06:45 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

There isnt any need to use h202 water unless u are fighting off a cobweb infection. h202 although it wont kill mycelium it will harm it. If the mycelium is shocked enough it could be well possible for a contam to take that opertunity while the mycelium is weak.


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Re: Teared caps, humidity too low? [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7653641 - 11/19/07 06:47 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not using H2O2, using H2O, read again veda_sticks :smile:


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Re: Teared caps, humidity too low? [Re: bmy]
    #7653646 - 11/19/07 06:50 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

haha i could have sworn i saw h202


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Re: Teared caps, humidity too low? [Re: bmy]
    #7653647 - 11/19/07 06:51 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yep, only one cake doing it, they're all in the same circumstances, and all the mushrooms on the cake come out rosecombed?

I'd say genetics! Rosecoming is easily caused by chemicals but it can also be genetic. True test will be to see whether the 2nd flush comes out the same. I presume these were inoculated with spores, not a single culture?

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Re: Teared caps, humidity too low? [Re: CaptainLinger]
    #7653675 - 11/19/07 07:06 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Only one cake indeed, not all mushrooms on the cake, but I would say about 50%. All cakes are from the same spore print. Two of them were from a LC though (inoculated with same spore spore syringe as the other cakes). However, I was stupid enough to forget which ones were LC and which ones were spores :P I am pretty sure the mutant-cake was an LC though. Yeah, it was!

Seems we can narrow it down two two things then. Either substrate/container is "contaminated" with some chemical, or the LC was.

In any case, I'm guessing these mutants are perfectly safe to consume and the only downside is that they look a bit creepy?


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Re: Teared caps, humidity too low? [Re: bmy]
    #7653680 - 11/19/07 07:10 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

yea they good , just make sure the little bugger dont bite off yer tongue

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Re: Teared caps, humidity too low? [Re: galadar]
    #7653711 - 11/19/07 07:24 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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yea they good , just make sure the little bugger dont bite off yer tongue




Haha, yeah, I'll make sure I'll dry him up real good before I let him close to my tongue.

Here are some bonus pictures!





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Re: Teared caps, humidity too low? [Re: bmy]
    #7653825 - 11/19/07 08:24 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Seems we can narrow it down two two things then. Either substrate/container is "contaminated" with some chemical, or the LC was.




...or it's one of the multispore cakes. The spores make hyphal connections in a sexual process; it's probable one of the inoculation points produced this mutation. I doubt there were contaminant chemicals in your LC or container, but some unknown environmental factor could certainly be to blame.

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Re: Teared caps, humidity too low? [Re: CaptainLinger]
    #7653830 - 11/19/07 08:27 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

BMY i think that should be your avatar


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Re: Teared caps, humidity too low? [Re: Slimz]
    #7653852 - 11/19/07 08:37 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Teared caps, humidity too low? [Re: Slimz]
    #7653890 - 11/19/07 08:50 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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