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Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities..
    #7653422 - 11/19/07 02:49 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You ever have dreams, where you know you are dreaming?

And walk about, speak with people, like you do here?

Only to wake up, and recall all of it?
Like go to sleep, ... dream, wake up in the dream, be there for say 3 days, then go to sleep there, and wake up here with only hours having passed here?

Recalling it?

"Able to recall it."

...

If there is more than one reality, could we in every reality, forget about the other?
And if we could recall an other reality, could we then stay awake, indefinitely? :wink:

I'd like to hear what you all got to say on this.


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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: Gomp]
    #7653434 - 11/19/07 03:04 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

How can you physically goto sleep for a few hours, and stay in your dreams for a few days? Wouldn't your body have to goto sleep for a few days, as well? Or maybe dreams are a false perception, and thus not subject to being reality at all. What do you think?


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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: Gomp]
    #7653621 - 11/19/07 06:34 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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You ever have dreams, where you know you are dreaming?

And walk about, speak with people, like you do here?

Only to wake up, and recall all of it?
Like go to sleep, ... dream, wake up in the dream, be there for say 3 days, then go to sleep there, and wake up here with only hours having passed here?

Recalling it?

"Able to recall it."

...

If there is more than one reality, could we in every reality, forget about the other?
And if we could recall an other reality, could we then stay awake, indefinitely? :wink:

I'd like to hear what you all got to say on this.





I think that to interact on any level, the brain/mind and body must still be in the same state/nonphysical-place

this would help explain why so many people aren't even aware during their waking hours, as well as the lack of sleep many people suffer from


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    #7653784 - 11/19/07 08:00 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: soulcircus]
    #7662795 - 11/21/07 12:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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i'v had dreams which are so real i was scared i would get stuck in them or just accepted that this is my new home.
a few times i'v walked around tapping on things feeling pain thinking this is far tooo real.




:smile::thumbup:

Same here..
Once I fell down a sand hole, and was stuck, kind of buried alive.. Eventually I woke up.
Interesting experience, when one know one are dreaming.

And psyka: Time is relative to the observer/measurer? :wink:

BTW: soulcircus: When I feel stuck in dreams. Like when I am alone and want to wake up. I found that going to sleep, like one does if one cannot sleep here, does the trick! :wink: And so one wakes up another place. Like in a alternative reality. (False awakening.) Here, and so on..

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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: Gomp]
    #15287501 - 10/27/11 06:08 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I never timed myself but I never had dreams that lasted days.. I would probably freak out.. or maybe I have. I just dont remember. It would be nice to experience a dream in one full days length and able to control it. I would make a mess.. Talk to random people. Break windows. bone some chicks eat dream food lol.. whatever comes in mind. I would also try to contact family members and see if they are related to me in my dream.


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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: Gomp]
    #15287951 - 10/27/11 07:37 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: 4896744]
    #15289123 - 10/28/11 12:30 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I wish I could stay in my dreams that long! Do you guys practice lucid dreaming to achieve these kinds of dreams? Or has it always been like this for you?

I've been working on improving my lucid dreaming. My biggest problem is waking up as soon as I realize I'm dreaming. :awenuhuh:


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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: 4896744]
    #15289705 - 10/28/11 06:24 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: mesoamerican]
    #15289711 - 10/28/11 06:26 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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I never timed myself but I never had dreams that lasted days.. I would probably freak out.. or maybe I have. I just dont remember. It would be nice to experience a dream in one full days length and able to control it. I would make a mess.. Talk to random people. Break windows. bone some chicks eat dream food lol.. whatever comes in mind. I would also try to contact family members and see if they are related to me in my dream.





As you said; What if you do all that already? If one want to learn "awaken dreaming", one should start on learning to recall dreams..

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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: Caspian021]
    #15289728 - 10/28/11 06:32 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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I wish I could stay in my dreams that long! Do you guys practice lucid dreaming to achieve these kinds of dreams? Or has it always been like this for you?

I've been working on improving my lucid dreaming. My biggest problem is waking up as soon as I realize I'm dreaming. :awenuhuh:




I had it once when a kid. And have focused on doing it, ever since..

So I guess I am a natural learner! :p (As we all are?)

I found the trick to be to work on dream-recall.. As I experience it, I have "awaken dreams" ever single night..
But weather or not I am able to recall it, depends on the content of the "dream", and how I wake up.

I had a real breakthrough when I first learned the difference of waking up, vs. being awoken... 

If I am awoken by say the alarm.. I forget "awaken dreams" .. But do tend to recall "normal" dreams..


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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: Gomp]
    #15290421 - 10/28/11 11:00 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I sort of can manipulate lucid dreaming once I'm in there but I cannot get there alone.. the first dream must occur first.. The worst thing is a lucid dream that becomes a nightmare


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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: mesoamerican]
    #15303056 - 10/31/11 09:21 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Ok, I finally managed how to fly in my dream.. and it was based on fear and faith.. closed my dream eyes and I just took off.. however, I reached the limits of the atmosphere and went straight down.. the falling part was uncontrolable.. I ended up in some apartments.. I'm excited woohoo!


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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: mesoamerican]
    #15305183 - 10/31/11 06:46 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I sort of can manipulate lucid dreaming once I'm in there but I cannot get there alone.. the first dream must occur first.. The worst thing is a lucid dream that becomes a nightmare




I used to try to have lucid dreams... it's really cool you can pretty much do anything you want. like flying and it feels real. there are techniques you can learn to train yourself to have them.


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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: Poptart]
    #15305759 - 10/31/11 08:42 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

what kind of things can you manipulate in a dream? so far, i learned how to pick up rocks and throw them.. i swung at this dude that was trying to kill me but the dream changed so I didnt feel physical contact.. and this flight trick.. the hardest thing to do is to not wake up.. eventually something always creeps up to try to scare you.. I call them dream demons cus that's all they try to do.. scare you.. like they have nothing else better to do. assholes lol..


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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: mesoamerican]
    #15305820 - 10/31/11 08:56 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Lucid dreaming can be an option.

I've actually had a dream where I have taken a psychoactive substance that I haven't done prior yet I had felt the effects strongly based of information, research, and reports I have read about.


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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: NihilisticDelusion]
    #15305840 - 10/31/11 08:59 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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so far, i learned how to pick up rocks and throw them




LMFAO! That made my day. Is that a troll post?


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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: NihilisticDelusion]
    #15305860 - 10/31/11 09:02 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I've actually had a dream where I have taken a psychoactive substance that I haven't done prior yet I had felt the effects strongly based of information, research, and reports I have read about.


I had a dream like that too... I fell into a huge pile of cocaine, and when I got up, I felt more energized and happy. :jointsmile:


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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: Poid]
    #15305884 - 10/31/11 09:06 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

well it is quite difficult at first.. dreams have no control .. like a scene of a novel already written for you to read.. no control but just to view it.. This time i had control and picked up a rock like how I told my mind to do and threw it..


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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: mesoamerican]
    #15305915 - 10/31/11 09:12 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

We can determine how vivid the dream was by giving a brief description of the size and texture :smile:

By the way just kidding.

@Poid, mine was MDMA


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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: NihilisticDelusion]
    #15308277 - 11/01/11 10:53 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Once 'lucid' I can do anything.. More than I can do here..

Key for me, is learning to not forget the dreams.. Integrating them, not just "recalling" or "typing down" ..

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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: Gomp]
    #15309244 - 11/01/11 03:22 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I believe the OP got a little derailed in terms of thinking. It's best not to limit yourself and starting going on dreams and sleeping. Drugs can cause some permanent perceptual changes causing your world to seem as an Alternate reality.


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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: NihilisticDelusion]
    #15312384 - 11/02/11 08:02 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: psyka]
    #15312390 - 11/02/11 08:05 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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How can you physically goto sleep for a few hours, and stay in your dreams for a few days? Wouldn't your body have to goto sleep for a few days, as well? Or maybe dreams are a false perception, and thus not subject to being reality at all. What do you think?




That is the question indeed. I can only speak from experience. And I know for a fact, that I have experienced at least a week of "awaken dreaming", while in reality, I only been dreaming/sleeping for a few hours..

It sure makes one muse, on the possibilities. :smile:


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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: Gomp]
    #15323298 - 11/04/11 05:31 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

wait...you lived in a lucid dream for a week??


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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: Caspian021]
    #15325481 - 11/05/11 06:14 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

dream time is not time (it is still images  and short sequences recalled to the mind stage)
because the body is sleeping, events in a dream (conjured from memory) can
1. be a short sequence or slide.
2. jump back or forwards
3. loop
4. experience instantaneous location changes
5. freeze or go into extreme slo mo
6. chimerically combine parts of one scene/body with another and do all of the above making the chimera (gargoyle or angellic beings) seem as real as normal seeming things that loop, freeze, jump or slide.

a full dream may be a second or 2 in body time, but may seem to extend over days or years in dream time (there is no dream time)


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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #15325516 - 11/05/11 06:46 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I have heard at death that the brain does not die for several minutes.  If it goes into dream land full on that could be an eternity of sorts .


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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: Icelander]
    #15325601 - 11/05/11 07:39 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

that might be so if your head does not explode or get squished; did you think we might possibly leave death out of a thread?
people are starting to think you might have an obsession.


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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: Caspian021]
    #15325707 - 11/05/11 08:18 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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wait...you lived in a lucid dream for a week??




I even recall having lived whole lives. It it so surreal to wake from..

This is why I dislike the term "lucid dreams" .. As I experience it, it is nothing but awaken dreams! .. I feel as real, or even more real, when awake in a dream. Than when being awake here..


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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #15325739 - 11/05/11 08:30 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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that might be so if your head does not explode or get squished; did you think we might possibly leave death out of a thread?
people are starting to think you might have an obsession.




I'm very obsessed with death. Didn't you know that most great discoveries are the result of obsession?


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    #15326129 - 11/05/11 10:33 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I thought discoveries were from creatively exploring the world and your dreams.
While obsession is more in the direction of scab picking;
unless you are obsessive about exploring the world and your dreams.
Maybe you need your knot untied, I liked it better when that sweet lady loved you.


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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #15326679 - 11/05/11 12:42 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

unless you are obsessive about exploring the world and your dreams.

somewhat


I liked it better when that sweet lady loved you.


Good thing I don't need you to like it better then. :laugh:

I liked it better when I couldn't understand you. :wink:


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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: Icelander]
    #15328572 - 11/05/11 08:33 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I have heard at death that the brain does not die for several minutes.  If it goes into dream land full on that could be an eternity of sorts .




Have you seen the movie source code? A mans brain was still partially active after death.


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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: NihilisticDelusion]
    #15328598 - 11/05/11 08:40 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

No, luckily I missed that one. :tongue:


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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: Icelander]
    #15328618 - 11/05/11 08:47 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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No, luckily I missed that one. :tongue:




Another one to add to the list eh? It actually applies to this thread very much in terms of multiple parallel realities, but yet too vivid to be dream.

Seems as if the main character was suffering at first, but I don't want to disclose too much.


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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #15335020 - 11/07/11 08:53 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I thought discoveries were from creatively exploring the world and your dreams.
While obsession is more in the direction of scab picking;
unless you are obsessive about exploring the world and your dreams.
Maybe you need your knot untied, I liked it better when that sweet lady loved you.





LOL .. I can see why I keep that dude on ignore! :laugh:

He still knows to derail a thread, though!

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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: Gomp]
    #15339105 - 11/08/11 01:26 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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wait...you lived in a lucid dream for a week??




I even recall having lived whole lives. It it so surreal to wake from..

This is why I dislike the term "lucid dreams" .. As I experience it, it is nothing but awaken dreams! .. I feel as real, or even more real, when awake in a dream. Than when being awake here..




That must be some crazy feeling waking up from that. Is your dream recall so good that you can remember all this? Or is it something else?

Would you say we all experience these kinds of things in our dreams but aren't able to recall it? At least in its entirety?

I'm really interested in the dream state and its possibilities. It's fascinating to me and I want to take in as much knowledge as I can haha


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    #15340017 - 11/08/11 09:54 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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wait...you lived in a lucid dream for a week??




I even recall having lived whole lives. It it so surreal to wake from..

This is why I dislike the term "lucid dreams" .. As I experience it, it is nothing but awaken dreams! .. I feel as real, or even more real, when awake in a dream. Than when being awake here..




That must be some crazy feeling waking up from that. Is your dream recall so good that you can remember all this? Or is it something else?

Would you say we all experience these kinds of things in our dreams but aren't able to recall it? At least in its entirety?

I'm really interested in the dream state and its possibilities. It's fascinating to me and I want to take in as much knowledge as I can haha




It is like you know what I could answer, and read my mind. :p Kind of scary/funny .. You read much of my previous posts?

Anyways..

It is beyond crazy.. But I guess "crazy" is a adequate word. :p

I worked on dream recall, all my life.. I never tried to "induce" lucid dreaming, as I think as you asked; that we ALL dream like this, every night.. But it is the recall-ability that fails in most of us..

So yes, it is all about recollection of the dream, for me.. Or rather in fact, not forgetting them in the first place.. (But I will derail if I go on about that, now.)

YES! I would say we all experience these kinds of things in our dreams but aren't able to recall it.. Or rather; We EVEN chose NOT to! .. :smile: I have gone to "councils" when dreaming, knowing I was about to wake up.. And we went though what I could and could not be able to not forget.. Again, just so absurd I almost lack words..


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    #15341547 - 11/08/11 07:39 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I think lucid dreaming is somwehere in between the dream world and the natural world.. You have that feeling that youre awake but there are something a little off about it.. the worst part is freaking out about it.. I'm still not use to it.. my goal is to face my demons and mock them..


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    #15341881 - 11/08/11 08:48 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I very often have very realistic dreams where I can physically feel things in the dream, but something that I find interesting is that no matter what the dream is, there is never any spoken language involved.  All communication just happens. 

I have also had dreams where I "awoke" from the dream while still dreaming.


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    #15343271 - 11/09/11 05:05 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

in dreams, speaking is spoken because sequences are not fully supported, and the listening is done already.
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usually if you have a sequence - it is (scene)transitional or looped (part of the sustained tableau itself).
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the main thing is tableaux, scenes unfold - reveal and layer - the vantage point can extend - characters can 'be arrived' - words can -'have been spoken' - it is part of the connection making process for what is already in your head.
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a gestural musical sound, feeling, or expression also can - 'have been started'  (this is most frustrating to lucid pursuit)
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    #15343928 - 11/09/11 09:36 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I have also had dreams where I "awoke" from the dream while still dreaming.




That is known as a: "False awakening!" .. It can happen many times over, I would say; so many that it get tiresome at times! ...


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    #15343940 - 11/09/11 09:39 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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in dreams, speaking is spoken because sequences are not fully supported, and the listening is done already.
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usually if you have a sequence - it is (scene)transitional or looped (part of the sustained tableau itself).
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the main thing is tableaux, scenes unfold - reveal and layer - the vantage point can extend - characters can 'be arrived' - words can -'have been spoken' - it is part of the connection making process for what is already in your head.
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a gestural musical sound, feeling, or expression also can - 'have been started'  (this is most frustrating to lucid pursuit)
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then the whole thing is replaced (or transitioned to) with a different tableau unfolding, already there.




I do not resonate with a word you wrote..

Have you ever experience it? Or just read a book? (Someone else subjective experience, projected as supposedly applying for everyone.)


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    #15344025 - 11/09/11 10:03 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

oh yes you do
you just described false awakening.
a looping of tableaux including one scene in which the dreamer believes he is awake.

a dream scene usually spans a very short interval or is like a still image of a single space or a combined unfamiliar space made of spaces that have been familiar.

you can explore the image/dreamspace as it continues to unravel or expand or clarify (interpenetrating connections being made), but you do not move much in it, nor does anything move much, except for resolving.

(this is because it is a fixation process for memory - sustained engrams from your daily life are interpenetrating and linking up with other engramatically related mental contents.)

besides resolving or unfolding, a scene may connect instantaneously to another scene - if the other scene appears similar you may feel motion in the scene, otherwise you will seem transported instantaneously into the next image.

separately from scenes which do not really move much except in brief (often looping) sequences, motion itself can be a scene or layer upon a scene, and you can dream that you are moving or flying and it can be  an exhilarating sustained movement layered over the rest of dream content.

you can fly or run and not even move at all. it is the pure idea or memory of the motion (as an engram pattern) mixed with other dream content.

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Re: Dreams/Dreamscapes/Alternative-Realities.. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #15344483 - 11/09/11 12:05 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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oh yes you do
you just described false awakening.
a looping of tableaux including one scene in which the dreamer believes he is awake.

a dream scene usually spans a very short interval or is like a still image of a single space or a combined unfamiliar space made of spaces that have been familiar.

you can explore the image/dreamspace as it continues to unravel or expand or clarify (interpenetrating connections being made), but you do not move much in it, nor does anything move much, except for resolving.

(this is because it is a fixation process for memory - sustained engrams from your daily life are interpenetrating and linking up with other engramatically related mental contents.)

besides resolving or unfolding, a scene may connect instantaneously to another scene - if the other scene appears similar you may feel motion in the scene, otherwise you will seem transported instantaneously into the next image.

separately from scenes which do not really move much except in brief (often looping) sequences, motion itself can be a scene or layer upon a scene, and you can dream that you are moving or flying and it can be  an exhilarating sustained movement layered over the rest of dream content.

you can fly or run and not even move at all. it is the pure idea or memory of the motion (as an engram pattern) mixed with other dream content.

can you resonate with that?





Again.. What book are you reciting? ...

Have you any experience of this at all?


I again; do not resonate with a word you wrote..

And I really would like to know your source..


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    #15345205 - 11/09/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

my source is me naturally
do you resonate better if a book is involved?
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    #15349872 - 11/10/11 12:47 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Just felt to me like you were 'siting' a book, rather than own experience..

"I can read crappy books myself, if I wanted to read shit!" :p


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    #15351739 - 11/10/11 06:18 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I am writing from direct experience
sorry if it reads like a book


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    #15352127 - 11/10/11 07:23 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

double edged insult

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    #15355398 - 11/11/11 12:32 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I am writing from direct experience
sorry if it reads like a book




It does not read like a book.. It reads like you read it from a book, and just recite it..

Anyways, I known you for many years now.. So please do not take offense or anything..


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    #15356298 - 11/11/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

actually the things I read from books are too hard to remember and make sense of,
but I can usually piece together that what is happening involves sensation and memory, and the picture comes back about how this works.

That way I can easily remember how states of mind can be differentiated by more or less image persistence (lingering fading for more resonant states of mind).

I easily figure out if I am stoned or sober,
awake or asleep.

The same rules apply in all states of mind ( rules of sensation - association & memory fixation) - allowing for variance if there is a lot or just a little  reverb.

(more reverb more stoned, or dreaming - or emotionally tripping out, less reverb and it is ok to drive a car...)

everything else that I write is an extension of this, usually articulated from scratch in reference to the question at hand.

if I were reciting books I would give you abhidhamma's citta citta citta and bhagavangha moments etc. and all the sensibilities of 800 years ago theravadin buddhism in burma which would be a little bit fake since I do not recall any of that.

Instead I only talk these days about what is right here and now in ordinary language. I did study the science of it in university, but simple words work well enough to refer to what is happening.


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    #15356656 - 11/11/11 04:50 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I think the "west" is too concerned about individuality and everyone wants to "own" their thoughts and citation is very important.. I don't know why.. All information is passed down and we create our own conclusions.. So why is plagiarism so important? We weren't born talking and writing.. Society has really shaped us the way we are.. just wanted to say that :smile:


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    #15368291 - 11/14/11 08:23 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I think the "west" is too concerned about individuality and everyone wants to "own" their thoughts and citation is very important.. I don't know why.. All information is passed down and we create our own conclusions.. So why is plagiarism so important? We weren't born talking and writing.. Society has really shaped us the way we are.. just wanted to say that :smile:




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    #15368758 - 11/14/11 11:11 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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actually the things I read from books are too hard to remember and make sense of,
but I can usually piece together that what is happening involves sensation and memory, and the picture comes back about how this works.

That way I can easily remember how states of mind can be differentiated by more or less image persistence (lingering fading for more resonant states of mind).

I easily figure out if I am stoned or sober,
awake or asleep.

The same rules apply in all states of mind ( rules of sensation - association & memory fixation) - allowing for variance if there is a lot or just a little  reverb.

(more reverb more stoned, or dreaming - or emotionally tripping out, less reverb and it is ok to drive a car...)

everything else that I write is an extension of this, usually articulated from scratch in reference to the question at hand.

if I were reciting books I would give you abhidhamma's citta citta citta and bhagavangha moments etc. and all the sensibilities of 800 years ago theravadin buddhism in burma which would be a little bit fake since I do not recall any of that.

Instead I only talk these days about what is right here and now in ordinary language. I did study the science of it in university, but simple words work well enough to refer to what is happening.




This thread is all about ACTUALLY having had an awaken dream...


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