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MarkostheGnostic
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Re: why humans are not animals [Re: Icelander]
#7678700 - 11/25/07 04:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The surgeons must have really put a spit-shine on that silver plate you have in your head.
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redgreenvines
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products of extra bits of associative mind: singing songs telling stories making theater ritualistic religions colorful games art science music literature money architecture all the abstractions that are substantial as subjects in themselves which can be dealt with in courses in university but still relate in some way to life. animals that are not human have little access to such structured abstractions or to the idea of school and being a student (separate from being immature).
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MushmanTheManic
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MarkostheGnostic said: ...I also point out that unlike other animals, human actions are always moral or immoral...
I consider a sense of morality to be an adaptation or exaptation, yet I oddly agree with most of what you said about moral development.
Except, of course, the part about us not being animals and that the experience of holiness results in moral action. If chimps and dolphins had the neurocognitive structures needed to talk about being, I bet they'd call themselves "chimp beings" and "dolphin beings" too. I highly doubt human beings are the only creatures that are conscious.
Unfortunately, I cannot refute what you have said, maybe someone else could - but not a crude materialist like me. It all essentially rests on the primacy of consciousness and that is an arena of thought which I have little experience in.
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Icelander
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EternalCowabunga said: To err is human, to forgive divine.
Be a little bit more spiritual and get off my back
I don't believe in spirituality. Sorry.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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shakercee
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Re: why humans are not animals [Re: Icelander]
#7704638 - 12/01/07 10:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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-------------------- Pray, v.: To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy - Ambrose Bierce Medical science has confirmed what the male world has known intuitively for millenia: that scratching your ass is a great aid to complex thinking. Its God's responsibility to forgive the terrorist organizations such as Jaish, Lashkar etc. Its our responsibility to arrange the meeting between them and god." - Indian Armed Forces "Hey Monkey!! Get Funky" - Tarzan and Jane
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igwna
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Re: why humans are not animals [Re: shakercee]
#7713910 - 12/04/07 03:11 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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shakercee said: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/11/25/eagorilla125.xml
Well, after reading it, i would say they are headed in the right direction.
awesome! i love how everyone links me interesting things to read 
too bad we don't have any videos of gorillas throwing rocks at people :P
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Silversoul
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I was just remembering a scene in Waking Life where a guy is saying that there is a greater difference between the average person and a genius like Plato or Newton than there is between the average person and the average chimpanzee. Agree or disagree?
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Icelander
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Re: why humans are not animals [Re: Silversoul]
#7714785 - 12/04/07 10:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Disagree.
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remnant
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Re: why humans are not animals [Re: Icelander]
#7715572 - 12/04/07 02:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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wow... 6 pages of insecure bullshit... ...to think i used to respect this place
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: why humans are not animals [Re: remnant]
#7715650 - 12/04/07 02:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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remnant said: wow... 6 pages of insecure bullshit... ...to think i used to respect this place
If you were wrong in your previous assessment of this site, could you not be wrong with your current assessment?
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MushroomTrip
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Not until next time
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   All this time I've loved you And never known your face All this time I've missed you And searched this human race Here is true peace Here my heart knows calm Safe in your soul Bathed in your sighs
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: why humans are not animals [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7716049 - 12/04/07 03:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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At least one reader 'gets it'.
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remnant
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your going to have to dazzle after this ...but i wont rule it out
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BlueCoyote
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Re: why humans are not animals [Re: remnant]
#7719086 - 12/05/07 10:34 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Please contribute on-topic posts to avoid even more BS
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