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Veritas
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"Animal" is just a classification. You have three choices: animal, vegetable or mineral. If humans are not animals, are we broccoli or quartz?
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Icelander
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EternalCowabunga said: Any comparison is just a story. Analogy.
But if I were to entertain the story that I could have been an animal and it would have been less of a complex and rich experience I would say human experience is better. I like this story, it doesn't leave me with regret or loss.
I have a suspicion that dolphins have it better.
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EternalCowabunga
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Re: why humans are not animals [Re: Veritas]
#7654897 - 11/19/07 02:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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You have three choices
Please sir, may I have some more?
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Re: why humans are not animals [Re: Icelander]
#7654918 - 11/19/07 02:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
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EternalCowabunga said: Any comparison is just a story. Analogy.
But if I were to entertain the story that I could have been an animal and it would have been less of a complex and rich experience I would say human experience is better. I like this story, it doesn't leave me with regret or loss.
I have a suspicion that dolphins have it better.
Fair enough. The idea that the dolphins have a better deal than us makes me a bit uncomfortable, but it's possible I could accept this idea later on down the road
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Icelander
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Now why would that make you uncomfortable?
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EternalCowabunga
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Re: why humans are not animals [Re: Icelander]
#7654943 - 11/19/07 02:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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If I think about it too much I might start thinking that this life is lacking something.. the possibility of going in that direction is uncomfortable, but maybe I should explore it more.
Now I'm choosing to feel happy for our dolphin friends because they are probably having a great time
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Icelander
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If I think about it too much I might start thinking that this life is lacking something.. the possibility of going in that direction is uncomfortable,
Common neurotic thinking.
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BirdsIView
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Re: why humans are not animals [Re: Icelander]
#7655258 - 11/19/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ugh I hate when people try to say we aren't animals. You're giving us too much credit, we are just sophisticated animals. In the end, we're animals. I guess animal has just become a synonym for stupid and primitive.
You ever truly look at someone? I mean look at them almost as if you weren't too a human? If you have, than you will see that we look a LOT like monkeys.
As advanced as we are in the end it surrounds only one thing, the value of life. That is what makes us animals.
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demiu5
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Re: why humans are not animals [Re: BirdsIView]
#7655421 - 11/19/07 03:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I like watching the primate videos in anthropology and seeing who some of the primates remind me of
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remnant
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Re: why humans are not animals [Re: Icelander]
#7655466 - 11/19/07 03:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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your a monkey, now deal with it
Edited by remnant (11/19/07 03:59 PM)
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MushroomTrip
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Re: why humans are not animals [Re: remnant]
#7655472 - 11/19/07 03:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: why humans are not animals [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7657211 - 11/19/07 11:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I had a random thought last night... undoubtedly the human hand has allowed us a lot of advantage for survival, in that we can manipulate the environment to favor our survival.
Think back to the origins of mankind; did the adaptation of the human hand enable us to become so well suited for survival, that our brain was able to evolve and discover the ability to finely manipulate objects external to our body? My idea is, that we developed a fine tuned ability to manipulate our surroundings, this allowed us the "luxury" to develop the brain into a distinctly more advanced level of processing and cognitive power. And perhaps a facet of our advanced nature could be linked to our species evolutionary development of the hand, which then in a sense allowed our brains to learn a lot of more advanced manipulation techniques, which thus carried over to many facets of the human experience.
Just a little thought... kinda thinking out loud. Just sorta stemmed from me realizing how amazing the hand is.
Carry on... hope that even made some sense...
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redgreenvines
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Re: why humans are not animals [Re: andrewss]
#7657775 - 11/20/07 04:26 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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i'm turning into broccoli
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Icelander
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I thought you were a worm?
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shakercee
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list some reasons why humans are not "just animals" (whatever that means) and why reality is not a singular.. i dont even know the word.. (scientific?) story
1. we use conscious intention to produce an effect on other minds
2. We can alter the perception of our reality simply by realization of ideas. Language can create entire stories in our head which we take to be true and so they actually become true! (THAT IS RIDICULOUS)
3. The mind body is beyond our comprehension and our identification with animal form is, I would argue, wholly delusional when confronted with the fact that we have not experienced life as another animal's mind-body. To propose that we have similar realities to the experience of being a monkey or dolphin is only speculation.
What is language anyways? There is something wrong with language.. It can't create anything. It's all the same damn word. It's like every word is the same damn word.
We had a Sigmund Freud; animals don't. Imagine an animal lying on a couch and another animal analyzing its mind.
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Re: why humans are not animals [Re: shakercee]
#7658702 - 11/20/07 11:31 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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We had a Sigmund Freud; animals don't.
It's truly amazing to me that so many of you hold a belief that we are not animals. It's like believing Creationism. My fucking God.
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BlueCoyote
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Re: why humans are not animals [Re: Icelander]
#7658716 - 11/20/07 11:33 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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We are still animals, but we are quite ahead of the rest of them.
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Silversoul
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Re: why humans are not animals [Re: BlueCoyote]
#7658727 - 11/20/07 11:35 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think we're one of the most interesting animals out there.
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shakercee
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Re: why humans are not animals [Re: Icelander]
#7658759 - 11/20/07 11:41 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Creationism and me, we are worlds apart.
Well, yeah if we are animals, we wouldn't have to worry about death. But we do.
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Re: why humans are not animals [Re: shakercee]
#7658781 - 11/20/07 11:49 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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shakercee said: Creationism and me, we are worlds apart.
Well, yeah if we are animals, we wouldn't have to worry about death. But we do.
Maybe there will be a time when we will invent/create/engineer artificial consciousness. This wouldn't have to worry about death, but it wouldn't be able to be called animal either. Maybe animals worry more about death then us. It's their primal instinct to avoid death (-> do live) at least.
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