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PNW hunting questions.
    #7652576 - 11/18/07 08:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

OK, so im going to start this thread out with a question about the bluing effect. Im not finding any examples of this on the net, ie* pictures more or less.
I understand the concept behind the bluhing, the reason, and the importance, but im not getting it where i think i should be. Starting to drive me crazy.
I went out again this weekend, this time went high, went way up into the mtns. in Washington on the S.E side of Mt. St. Helens, saw more mushrooms than i could even begin to think of picking, but shit and damn if a one of them would bruise blue for me.
Maybe im not doing this right, does any one care to share there technique for getting a bluing effect with me?

I plan on coming back and recycling this thread in a short while, i have a bounty of pickings, and questions i want to share with you all in just a bit, just need to get all of them straighted out first. Need to get my spore prints started, samples bagged and tagged, im just coming in from the hunt, and all is still a mess, but i am steaming with anticipation and needed to get the bluing thing started.

Also, i wanted to ask if any one had ever seen or heard of P. bohemica in or around the PDX area, more spicifically, the ones i found where in Oxbow park on the Sandy. Funny thing is they didn't blue..

Look im going to go back to the kitchen, take my pictures, start my prints, bag and tag, all that great stuff but this mycology thing has over taken my life. No shit that when i close my eyes, i see mushrooms. Very vivid too. Its like the images are scored in my head. My wife says im obsessing. If im not at work, im out looking. I slam on the brakes in the car if i think i see some in a yard, or next to a tree.. Shoot, i even took my 13yr old kid with me today, told here the properties of what i was looking for and set her loose with a bag.. All she came back with was chanterelles.. But that was cool.
I think i need help..
I will be back to this thread shortly with pics and questions.. Thanks!


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Re: PNW hunting questions. [Re: 69I8U]
    #7652611 - 11/18/07 08:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I know how you feel, I often dream (literally) of finding cyans.. its pretty wierd.


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All year long, the grasshopper kept burying acorns for winter, while the
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But then the winter came, and the grasshopper died, and the octopus ate all his acorns.
Also he got a race car.
Is any of this getting through to you?


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Re: PNW hunting questions. [Re: Deity208]
    #7652720 - 11/18/07 09:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

you seem to be pretty in the way of becoming a mushrooms hunter, they got you ,  but you should star to  read all the information you can about psilocybe if you like to understand the blue reaction , all psilocybe that are active some how show a blue  bruising when the flesh is damage or by aging drying etc. is not something you make of yourself,  i mean  some mushrooms that are active blue the ones that are no not , that simple.
also many mushrooms blue as boletus they blue is second and change to other color too, so the blue reaction is not  all you need to find in a mushroom to be active one, you need to see the spore color very importand.
the color of cap and all appearencem , the base,micelium habitad substrate, time of the year, location, all to get to the exact specie sometimes imposible task .

69I8U said:

Look im going to go back to the kitchen, take my pictures, start my prints, bag and tag, all that great stuff but this mycology thing has over taken my life. No shit that when i close my eyes, i see mushrooms. Very vivid too. Its like the images are scored in my head. My wife says im obsessing. If im not at work, im out looking. I slam on the brakes in the car if i think i see some in a yard, or next to a tree.. Shoot, i even took my 13yr old kid with me today, told here the properties of what i was looking for and set her loose with a bag.. All she came back with was chanterelles.. But that was cool.
I think i need help..
I will be back to this thread shortly with pics and questions.. Thanks!

welcome to the shroomery that is a coomond felling  here we are obbsess with mushrooms :yesnod:
i personally undestand you , trust in your dreams , they will comunicate with  you, they seem to be trying to make  contac ,
dream  , they tell you  all in your dreamm .:smile2:
all my best vibration
and post all the species you found , i love to see then


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Re: PNW hunting questions. [Re: cactu]
    #7652791 - 11/18/07 09:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

what do you mean trying to get a bluing effect? if you mean finding psilocybes, then you probably will not find them in the mountains in your area... generally the bluing is a function of the psilocin content(or at least this is my understanding). this type of bluing has very distinct characteristics. it also depends on the color of the flesh of the mushroom. it can literally be anywhere from aquamarine to almost black.


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Re: PNW hunting questions. [Re: 2859558484]
    #7653012 - 11/18/07 10:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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wowitch17 said:
what do you mean trying to get a bluing effect? if you mean finding psilocybes, then you probably will not find them in the mountains in your area... generally the bluing is a function of the psilocin content(or at least this is my understanding). this type of bluing has very distinct characteristics. it also depends on the color of the flesh of the mushroom. it can literally be anywhere from aquamarine to almost black.




Yeah, no, i get that, that is that the blue pigmentation is a result of a phenomenon paralleling the degradation of unstable psilocin. What im saying is that even in all the samples that i have collected since i got back to the PNW (about 60+ days now), have not done that.
What bugs me is that some of the samples i have collected match every key, every trait, and every macroscopic point except that.
I know i took a gamble today by going up in elevation to hunt actives, but at the point that im at right now, its not even all about finding just actives. Although that has been my goal since the beginning of this endeavor into the world of mycology. Sometimes i just want to go out and find odd ball mushrooms that i have never seen before, if not to just take pictures of beautiful mushrooms.
The mushrooms talk. As crazy as i think that sounds, and im sure some others must think that sounds, i know after today its true. The only problem is they seem to be speaking a foreign language right now, and i need to learn there language!
Most of the bruising i am doing in the field is pinching the stipe, or peeling back the mycelium. I will then wait a bit, maybe 10-30 seconds, but all that i have done this with, with the exception of a half doz., have turned to brown, or yellow. Some today went green, or a hue of dark aqua. This one has me very interested because it is not anything i can find in my books of actives.. And it was found high in the Mtns. way out of the habitat that i should be finding actives in.. But the same to be said for the ones i found in Oxbow yesterday that did not blue either.. All very frustrating. I know now that i need to go to a study, possibly a mycology class, a 101 of sorts. Do i start off with a public mycology group, or go straight to the books, and look into a school for more thorough teachings. I guess that all depends on what level of mycology i want to concur.
I was just hoping that some one would show me a good technique for bluing in the field. There must be a standard field test for this. Not finding what you want in the hunt leads you to finding what you can, which in my case has led me to wanting to know what it is that im finding.. Everything that i pic, shoot with the camera, or even walk past is begging for a friendship with me, that's what i hear when i think they are talking to me.. At some point i would like to hear them say, "hey, take me home with you, im the friend you have been waiting for".
I will post some pics from today, and yesterdays finds in a short. I have to get up early for work tomorrow, and time is running short tonight, so may not be all of them.
Thanks for the warm welcome to the forum, nice to know there are other people out there that hear voices from little fungi men when walking in the woods..
Peace!


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Re: PNW hunting questions.(updated w/pics) [Re: 69I8U]
    #7670046 - 11/23/07 11:31 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

OK, so, i said i would post my findings from the other day, and here now, i will. But...
I messed up and didn't do my testing right, so this is all in fun, i lost my notes, and some of the detail photos but i did find some of the "night of" photos, and i have the spore prints from 6 of the 15 i brought home, so once again, this is just to share some pics. Sorry.. I will be hunting again this weekend, and will do it right next time..
Enjoy the pics, and take stabs at what you will.
#1, spore print= chestnut brown to dark brown,

#2, spore print= chocolate brown, with bright yellow deposits fading to light yellow from apex out to margin.

#3, spore print= white, and thick!! did spore print on white paper, and could clearly see the print standing off the paper, this one surprised me, i thought the print would be dark.. BTW, these things where every where, i mean couldn't go 2 feet with out seeing them.

#4, spore print= light brown at apex fading to dark chocolate brown toward margin. This is the one i see a lot of in all areas around the PNW. I thought this would be a grey to white print.. Hmmm..

#5 spore print= very light brown, and not a good deposit. I almost think this guy may have dropped spore prior to full maturity, is that possible?

#6 spore print= dark brown, with dark purple, very dense so dense it would almost seem black from a far. This guy grows in a cluster, and bruises blue on the fruit, but not the stipe, see this in habitats that i would expect to find actives, but can not match it to any actives in my books..


Now, remember i said i went to Oxbow, and left something behind because i could not get a bluing reaction? Well, this is the one, now that i have looked in my book, i fear that i left behind a active possibly p. bohemica, but man that would be odd.. Way out of there suggested region.. But every thing else about them is dead on. My other guess would have been a very immature state of P. azurescens. But the lack of bluing leads me to think other wise. What do you think?



Now, this is really odd, while at Oxbow, i found these caps everywhere, but no stem, and all the caps look as if they had been cut off where ever there origin, i don't know, definitely was not in the area where i was finding the caps, but they where spread out along the trail edges of every where i was walking.
So, i photographed one, note the bluing in the gills and fruit of the cap, all of them looked like this, and they where in a advanced stage of decomposition. Thought it was odd, size was about the same on all of them 5-10cm.



Also found at Oxbow, saw lots of these clusters, very viscid, and thick separable gelatinous pellicle.


This guy was just chillin on a Amanita, he was my hunting partner for the day, a orange bellied salamander..


Well, i could go on with more photos from that day, but i want to go out and do some hunting, my coffee is finished, and im ready to hit the trails.
Hope you enjoyed the photos, and by all means, if you want to see more photos from that day, check out my pics, some more are in there, and i have not put them in a thread.
We will report in after today's hunt to share some more.
Peace!!


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Re: PNW hunting questions.(updated w/pics) [Re: 69I8U]
    #7670187 - 11/23/07 12:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

1y2 look like galerina
3-marasmius oreades probably they grow in great number ,ton´s and make ring look good next time.
4-corinarius some one post that same specie i guees and pole cat i guees say was inocybe gephylla var. purpuratus some like that look like it.
5-maybe galerina, tubaria,
6- hypholoma fasciculare very commond mushroom toxic.
7-more inocybe i don´t see any resemble to azurences. sorry.
8- cortinarius someone mot cut those and left then there. ha ha
beutifull display
nice salamander , goo picture
thank for sharing


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Re: PNW hunting questions.(updated w/pics) [Re: cactu]
    #7670356 - 11/23/07 12:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

1) Galerina
2) Galerina or Cortinarius
3) Laccaria
4) Hebeloma
5) Tubaria or Galerina
6) Hypholoma fasciculare
7) Inocybe. It looks very toxic and does not resemble any Psilocybe species.
8) Cortinarius
9) Hygrophorus eburneus


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Re: PNW hunting questions.(updated w/pics) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7671279 - 11/23/07 04:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Damn guys, some day i want to be able to be able to just look at a picture of mushies and take a stab with confidence. Nice, thanks for sharing..
Here are some more, except, my good camera is shot, think the rain got to it the other day, so these pics are not as nice.
Once again, this is just sharing what i come across, all of these where found in a park off the river, very sandy soils, mossy, tons of leaves!! These where all hiding under leaves on wood chips, i am always hoping i find actives every time i upturn a leaf on a woodchip area. But, i have so much to learn yet, that i haven't a clue if they are or not, and the freeze the other day along with the cold temps, are making it harder to find anything of considerable size.. But hey, off to Astoria tomorrow to go hunt the great p. azurescens! I cant wait! Almost willing to go tonight and get a room on the beach, hmm... Sounds good the more i think of it, a room, me, my wife, and a bottle of veano.. Wake up early and go hunting.. Hmmm....
O-yeah, the pics..
Here ya go.
1

2

3

4
These guys are allways in that mossy area between the grass and the chips..

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Re: PNW hunting questions. [Re: Deity208]
    #7674653 - 11/24/07 01:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Wanderer, I had to laugh and reply to your hunting questions, some
similar to mine. Especially to your wanting to stop when you are driving in the car. That would be me. I have a whole line up ready and waiting to post in hopes of someone more knowledgeable than myself helping me specifically with some active mycological identification. There are so many!
I found some Giant laughing mushrooms or what I believe to be Gymnopilus Spectabilis that I have a spore print of and also several pictures. I am still trying to figure out how to post my pictures, kind of new to this whole community thing.
Anyway I love mother natures little mshrm gifts, the experience all of it is amazing, and I also love my liver. So still with much to learn on mshrm hunting, I am eager to go forth. I want to be able to identify them by all the characteristics the experts teach you about, cap size, stem, gills, attachments, spores/prints etc..
OH yes and I wanted to share with you about the "bluing reaction". It does really depend on the color of the mushroom initially, where it is in it's growth cycle and stage of development. It also depends on the light around you and who is looking at it. Some people have a hard time seeing "blue" or "purple"
not uncommon, so it might look black to them, not blue. Sometimes when I have a hard time I carry a white piece of paper with me to put behind it in the wild then take a pic. I also compare it to regular brown color. There is a continuum to the color blind scale too.
Anyway better get busy lots of investigating to do Would love to be laughing later.


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Re: PNW hunting questions. [Re: owls100]
    #7675287 - 11/24/07 05:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I picked number 3 yeasterday excaot mine were more convex. I found number 4 the other day.


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Re: PNW hunting questions. [Re: 69I8U]
    #7675409 - 11/24/07 06:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

If you're interested in finding actives, all the information that you need is on this site and in this forum.  Since you live in the PNW, the official PNW hunting thread stickied at the top of the forum would be a decent place to start.  You should be able to find some examples of the bluing reaction and get a good idea of the types of actives that grow in your area.

For better or worse, most active species in the PNW favor urbanized environments.  Look for woodchip landscaping - many actives are found there.

It sounds like you aspire to more than the 'mere' ability to find and identify actives.  If so, continue your forays into the mountains.  Find yourself a good guide book, take spore prints and work through the keys to get an identification.  Ultimately, post your pics here with the proper description and let the experts weigh in.

I know what it feels like to close your eyes and see mushrooms - I've also experienced that phenomenon with tetris and waves (surfing).  It's not a bad thing.  Welcome!  :sunny:


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