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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7676865 - 11/25/07 03:50 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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EntheogenicPeace said:Considering the Nazi holocaust happened 60-70 years ago, I suspect all sane Jews will cease their current negative views of Nazism & make amends with it in the following few decades.





Guess where, last I heard, most tourists to Israel hailed from?


Here's a hint, 65 years ago they were killing jews by the trainload.


But of course, in your ultimately fair world, people would be punished, beaten, whipped, chained down for the sins of people who died long before they were born. So long as those people being punished where white. AMIRITE! yeah i'm right.

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Ah, you're right, sorry. I don't agree with this though:

"Anchor babies are a disaster because of the Constitution. But no consideration should be made for their parents. At all. They can take their brats with them when they are deported or they can leave them. That's it. I'd rather keep the babies and raise them as a Americans than let their parents raise them as an expat whatever with skewed allegiances."

If their parents were criminals (aside from being illegal immagrants) I would agree. I just don't see much point in sending law abiding citizens back to their country, only to allow them to come back once they do everything officially. There's no reason we can't process them here before we waste money shipping their ass to the border.




You're right, but we must first stop people from being able to walk across some line and claim citizenship by squirting out a kid.


There's no reason to shove gloved fingers into the orifices of American citizens in airports if all you need to do to sneak something into this country is head to Mexico and go for a hike.

.. there's probably no reason to do that to begin with, but you see my point. Our scrutiny is a bit misguided. We're in a sinking ship and checking passangers for rocks, while there's a huge crack in the hull.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: elbisivni]
    #7677001 - 11/25/07 06:24 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Why does anyone care whether or not the immigrants are going to stay forever? They're doing jobs that US-born people refuse to do, for pay that most people born in the states would consider a pittance.

Whether they later spend the money they earnt in the US or in their home country is pretty irrelevent.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: EllisDSox]
    #7677764 - 11/25/07 12:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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They're doing jobs that US-born people refuse to do, for pay that most people born in the states would consider a pittance.



Selling drugs?

My parents live near Hazleton, a small city in Pennsylvania you may have heard of in the news. I was never much wild about the city to begin with but in the last 4 years or so it's become a real heap of trash. There's been a large influx of illegal immigrants here since then.

The biggest problems around here in the past were domestic disputes and drunk driving. Now it's regular to know somebody who's had their car hijacked by someone with a knife or a gun. They live a dozen to a row-home and terrorize their neighbors, blocking off streets with their cars and making anyone who wants to pass through pay a toll, letting dogs out of gated yards to run around in busy city streets, etc.

Public schools are packed to twice their capacity and can't meet their needs because of the proportionally decreased local tax revenue. For the first time, sales of hard/dirty drugs like crack and crystal meth are unbelievably huge. Busts happen occasionally, and I imagine the people involved end up in our prisons.

A few grocery stores and a pizzeria or two have opened so it's not all bad. And as far as I know these statements only apply to the situation in this area, but those are a few reasons people might care about what's happening in their neighborhood.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #7677848 - 11/25/07 12:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I am sure others here agree.




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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #7685509 - 11/27/07 11:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: elbisivni]
    #7686420 - 11/27/07 03:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

illegal immigrants should be deported if they commit a crime once they enter the country. ie stealing or killing. they should be required to pay taxes and be brought into the system and out of the shadows as quickly as possible. the way i see immigrants is that our american culture will eventually encompass theirs adding the parts we like and excluding the parts we don't like. just like we did with every other major immigration into the U.S. if they refuse to integrate go ahead and check the riot thread about france because they will get left behind.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7692618 - 11/28/07 08:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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EntheogenicPeace said:While a lot of liberal & progressive (& to be fair some libertarians) white people may condemn the ideology & the practice, it still remains intact & their tax dollars help with that. Even so, there are more 'conservative' (i.e. white supremacist) white people in the U.S. than the previous categories I mentioned.




So then, for the sake of argument let's assume all your big evil white man stuff is true. I don't feel like nitpicking at it, and just for this example I'll go along with all of it.

Are you saying that the inability to prevent others from committing atrocities and sins against humanity makes you as guilty of those crimes as those who committed them?
Punish all white Americans because other white Americans were evil, that's what I'm getting here.

How about if I changed it to -- Punish all Muslims because other Muslims were evil.


Think about that.

Some Americans did bad things. With support from many people, and with many people opposed to their actions. But here, you're saying they are just as guilty -- because they were unable to stop bad things from happening.
Well it turns out, some Muslims did bad things, others were opposed to those actions but weren't able to stop them from happening.
Some Mexicans do bad things, but not all Mexicans are real big fans of that shit.
Every single culture in the history of mankind has done terrible things to other people. Try to find one that hasn't.
Collectively, we're all guilty as hell of anything you can imagine and many things you can't.
Individually, we're not.

That's why the sort of hatemongering you do really tends to get absolutely nothing accomplished.. unless, I don't know, you're making a bid for Fuhrer. Fair game, you brought up the Nazis first.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #7692833 - 11/28/07 09:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7692956 - 11/28/07 10:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Therefore, every U.S. taxpayer whose pays income tax & benefits at least somewhat (not nearly as much as corporate executives & large shareholders, of course) from this global militarist system is guilty to some extent.





And what of foreign nations and peoples who benefit from the american global militarist system?
How about, for instance.... Mexico? Illegal mexican immigrants? After all, were it not for the american global militarist system they would not have a border to cross to find better wages.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #7695666 - 11/29/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7702196 - 12/01/07 09:52 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yeh all I got to say is people who say they should be deported just because they weren't given a snobby get anything you want life like us lazy americans who don't aprreciate shit and take everthing for granted. Most Illegals i meet have much better morals don't do drugs they have respect for alot of people and can take way more shit than any white kid who can't work for shit and goes to school studies makes 100g's and spend all on himself when he could help out his family like every illegal immigrants mission is, to help his community.

the real solution is when your kid turns 14 send him to mexico or whatever country that will accept the kid and you'll get back the hardest motherfucken worker ever.

I have personally worked in 3 illegal work enviroments, and in every single instance i have seen and immigrant carry the work load of 2 people because we got the lazy american taking his 10th ciggarette break of the day.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Rylmonkey]
    #7702200 - 12/01/07 09:54 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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yeh all I got to say is people who say they should be deported just because they weren't given a snobby get anything you want life like us lazy americans who don't aprreciate shit and take everthing for granted.  Most Illegals i meet have much better morals don't do drugs they have respect for alot of people and can take way more shit than any white kid who can't work for shit and goes to school studies makes 100g's and spend all on himself when he could help out his family like every illegal immigrants mission is, to help his community.






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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Rylmonkey]
    #7702432 - 12/01/07 11:17 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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yeh all I got to say is people who say they should be deported just because they weren't given a snobby get anything you want life like us lazy americans who don't aprreciate shit and take everthing for granted. Most Illegals i meet have much better morals don't do drugs they have respect for alot of people and can take way more shit than any white kid who can't work for shit and goes to school studies makes 100g's and spend all on himself when he could help out his family like every illegal immigrants mission is, to help his community.

the real solution is when your kid turns 14 send him to mexico or whatever country that will accept the kid and you'll get back the hardest motherfucken worker ever.

I have personally worked in 3 illegal work enviroments, and in every single instance i have seen and immigrant carry the work load of 2 people because we got the lazy american taking his 10th ciggarette break of the day.




So working hard gives people the right to break our laws?


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Rylmonkey]
    #7702551 - 12/01/07 11:54 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: zorbman]
    #7702573 - 12/01/07 12:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7702671 - 12/01/07 12:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Why the inconsistency in reverence for "the law"? If "illegals" who are willing to work harder & longer, & are more dependable than U.S. citizens in doing often strenuous labor should be deported because it's against "the law", then shouldn't non-violent "drug" users be arrested & imprisoned since that's also what "the law" says?




If American citizens do not like a particular law they are free to change that law using legal methods. If everyone disobeyed every law they disagreed with we would have mob rule. In spite of its imperfections I prefer the rule of law over chaos.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: zorbman]
    #7702942 - 12/01/07 02:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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If American citizens do not like a particular law they are free to change that law using legal methods. If everyone disobeyed every law they disagreed with we would have mob rule. In spite of its imperfections I prefer the rule of law over chaos.




I don't prefer the rule of law or chaos over either. I prefer the rule of understanding, awareness. Conscious decisions, being aware of the nature of reality, one's actions, and the subsequent effects they have in choosing the course for reality to flow. Law is a centralized sense of order that is projected through force, and abiding by it simply because of its authority is senseless. Far better to be a conscious, realized being that can understand one's environment and act in effective, sustainable manners than to engage in the folly of law, an obstruction upon natural order. :mushroom2:


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7702992 - 12/01/07 02:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds like someones been visiting the Philosophy forum. :mushroom2:


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: zorbman]
    #7703089 - 12/01/07 03:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: zorbman]
    #7703182 - 12/01/07 03:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Sounds like someones been visiting the Philosophy forum. :mushroom2:




If there's a rehab program for that we need to get this boy in there stat.  Perhaps even an intervention.  INCOMING!!!!!!!    Sorry, got carried away there.  Carry on.


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