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OfflineBrAiN
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7656582 - 11/19/07 08:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Not a bad idea for a horrid asshole :wink:


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: BrAiN]
    #7656649 - 11/19/07 08:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Who better than me would understand?


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7657181 - 11/19/07 11:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: elbisivni]
    #7659828 - 11/20/07 05:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7660714 - 11/20/07 09:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think you will find a substantial populace within America, that is not "white" and opposes illegal immigration.


My wife, who is a resident alien from the Philippines, waited 16 years to come here, as she was petitioned by her grand parents.
I have yet to find anyone who gets more enraged by the concept of illegal immigration.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #7663727 - 11/21/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7664003 - 11/21/07 05:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Holy shit.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7664460 - 11/21/07 07:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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EntheogenicPeace said:Well, if your wife can forgive & forget the U.S. military butchering tens of thousands of Filipino liberation fighters & civilians, & creating conditions that led to up to a million dying from war-related causes a century ago


No sane person holds a grudge for a hundred years. If that were the case, we would still hate the germans and the japanese, etc. Learning not to judge people based on the sins of their fathers is the hallmark of a progressive and enlightened society. Give it a shot, you will feel better. There is no reason to hate any group/nation for actions they did a hundred years ago. All of those people are dead.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: DieCommie]
    #7664528 - 11/21/07 07:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Not only can EP hold onto a grudge for centuries (in spite of his being 14) he can hold onto grudges for TOTALLY UNRELATED people. Not to mention the future offended. 'Cause he's all about the little children.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: DieCommie]
    #7664694 - 11/21/07 08:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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EntheogenicPeace said:Well, if your wife can forgive & forget the U.S. military butchering tens of thousands of Filipino liberation fighters & civilians, & creating conditions that led to up to a million dying from war-related causes a century ago


No sane person holds a grudge for a hundred years. If that were the case, we would still hate the germans and the japanese, etc. Learning not to judge people based on the sins of their fathers is the hallmark of a progressive and enlightened society. Give it a shot, you will feel better. There is no reason to hate any group/nation for actions they did a hundred years ago. All of those people are dead.




Quoted for truth.

America should be hated only for what it's currently doing today.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: DieCommie]
    #7666641 - 11/22/07 11:15 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7674010 - 11/24/07 09:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Deporting them all would be a massive waste of money, and who would pick all of our vegetables? You may not like them, but they have their place here.

I think the first step in immigration reform would be to make immigration here easier. Maybe not return it to the potato famine days, but make it easier for average people to come here and work the jobs we don't have the manpower to do.

After that, deport any immigrants who break the law (aside from illegal immigration) first. If they aren't coming here because they want to work to help America, then they just don't need to be here as far as I'm concerned.

As for the ones who really are here to work, and be a part of the economy, sign them up into some sort of "transitional citizenship" that would act as a form of probation. They would be required to prove that they paid taxes, worked, and it would be made sure of that they did not commit any crimes while here. Learning English could also be an option for something like this, although I don't think it would be necessary (eventually, their kids will learn English, if not their kids, their kids kids, it has happened with every other wave of immigrants, regardless of its size. After they had gone through some time in this transitional state, they would be offered full citizenship, but not until all of the requirements of the probation had been met (back taxes, ect)

By doing this, we could still have the benefits of having immigrants in the workforce, while also making sure that those immigrants are of the same quality as those who we would normally let in legally. There's not much point to spending money deporting the good ones, only to spend more money to let them back in.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: xFrockx]
    #7674115 - 11/24/07 10:41 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7674705 - 11/24/07 02:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry, I just hit the general "reply" button, so it ended up crediting it to you, If anything it was directed at zappa, but not really.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: xFrockx]
    #7674723 - 11/24/07 02:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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xFrockx said:
Sorry, I just hit the general "reply" button, so it ended up crediting it to you, If anything it was directed at zappa, but not really.




Why me? If you check my first post you will see I mostly agree with you. I just want to replace the criminals with people who do it properly. I think you do too. Since when is law enforcement too expensive? You either have laws and enforce them or you don't have them at all.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7676011 - 11/24/07 08:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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My wife, who is a resident alien from the Philippines... I have yet to find anyone who gets more enraged by the concept of illegal immigration.




You're not married to Michelle Malkin by any chance, are you?


Well, if your wife can forgive & forget the U.S. military butchering tens of thousands of Filipino liberation fighters & civilians, & creating conditions that led to up to a million dying from war-related causes a century ago... even though the same power structure responsible for what happened there remains wholly intact still today, & even though U.S. soldiers are still stationed there & U.S. military bases exist on Filipino land... then more power to her. I know I wouldn't, & don't.





You have no concept of the Philippines or the culture. They have about as much animosity for Spain as the USA.Your blind hatred for America spills out as dribble on just about every post ad nauseam. For your information, MacArthur is looked at as a national hero, as there are numerous shrines and monuments to him, and the Americans that died, while killing the Japanese troops.


For you to suggest my wife is Michelle Mulkin, shows and demonstrates not only your inability to contribute anything halfway intelligible to this forum, but your outright disrespect.

I am sure others here agree.


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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: elbisivni]
    #7676075 - 11/24/07 08:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

make it so that companies have to pay illegals at least minimum wage. then the incentive to hire them is gone.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: xFrockx]
    #7676213 - 11/24/07 09:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Deporting them all would be a massive waste of money, and who would pick all of our vegetables?




Plenty of people, if paid a decent wage.

No deportation necessary- turn off the job magnet and most will return to their countries of origin.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #7676308 - 11/24/07 10:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You're right; that comment was completely uncalled for. It was especially insincere given how vile & hateful Michelle Malkin is. I apologize & it won't happen again.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7676422 - 11/24/07 11:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Ah, you're right, sorry. I don't agree with this though:

"Anchor babies are a disaster because of the Constitution. But no consideration should be made for their parents. At all. They can take their brats with them when they are deported or they can leave them. That's it. I'd rather keep the babies and raise them as a Americans than let their parents raise them as an expat whatever with skewed allegiances."

If their parents were criminals (aside from being illegal immagrants) I would agree. I just don't see much point in sending law abiding citizens back to their country, only to allow them to come back once they do everything officially. There's no reason we can't process them here before we waste money shipping their ass to the border.


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