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Re: All Hail Metaphysics! [Re: Icelander]
#7653078 - 11/18/07 11:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here's mataphysics for ya:
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Re: All Hail Metaphysics! [Re: Icelander]
#7653197 - 11/19/07 12:17 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: "When I say metaphysics, I mean metaphysics. The Queen of pastimes, the sport of the intellect, the high romance of speculative thought; infinite in scope , relying on the treacherous subtlety and learning of the player; and yet, in its daring and refusal to heed the mundane considerations, capable of splendid flights into the darkness that surrounds our visible world. Metaphysics, the mother of psychology and the laughing father of psychoanalysis. A wondrous game in which the players cannot decide what the relative values of the pieces are, or how big a board they are playing on. A wondrous, wondrous diversion for a really adventurous mind" -Robertson Davies
Since I have been posting here I have become more and more suspicious that this may be the whole of it. Don't think it's what I would prefer because I would love to be part of a big positive conscious plan, but the more I look into it the less likely that seems.:(
Interesting quote... and discussion
Just peaking in...
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Re: All Hail Metaphysics! [Re: Silversoul]
#7653299 - 11/19/07 01:21 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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That video is solid gold, Silversoul. Man I love Monty Python. I'm stoked that they included Hegel, Nietzsche and Jaspers on the German team.
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MarkostheGnostic said:
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Icelander said: Yes because "Totality" is also a statement.
Wha...what?
Yup. Your statement about reality (totality) and then you expect me to accept it. Which I cannot because there is no evidence.
What you always fail to notice or acknowledge is there is no discernible difference between you and the fundamentalists as far as your surety that you know the "truth" goes.
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Edited by Icelander (11/19/07 01:30 PM)
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Re: All Hail Metaphysics! [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7654793 - 11/19/07 01:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, that about sums it up doesn't it.
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Re: All Hail Metaphysics! [Re: Icelander]
#7654809 - 11/19/07 01:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's the end of that discussion!
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No I just died and can no longer post.
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Re: All Hail Metaphysics! [Re: Icelander]
#7654996 - 11/19/07 02:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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But you will be back in three days. 
*rolls giant stone in place*
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Re: All Hail Metaphysics! [Re: Icelander]
#7655064 - 11/19/07 02:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I simple affirm Conscious experience of Consciousness. I never called it Truth, but if Truth is equivalent to Reality, then I affirm that AS Consciousness, I Know myself in the sense of the oracular "Know Thyself." If Consciousness=Reality=Truth how can one NOT Know the Truth? Nothing Fundamentalist about this other than Consciousness, Mind, being THAT which is Fundamental Reality. Do you not have a word for Fundamental Reality?
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Do you not have a word for Fundamental Reality?
Yes that word is "Flavum".
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MarkostheGnostic said: I simple affirm Conscious experience of Consciousness. I never called it Truth, but if Truth is equivalent to Reality, then I affirm that AS Consciousness, I Know myself in the sense of the oracular "Know Thyself." If Consciousness=Reality=Truth how can one NOT Know the Truth? Nothing Fundamentalist about this other than Consciousness, Mind, being THAT which is Fundamental Reality. Do you not have a word for Fundamental Reality?
Your argument here still seems to rest on the primacy of consciousness, which, although I'm inclined to agree with it, is still an assumption. I think there's an element of fundamentalism in adhering fully to any model of reality with total certainty.
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Re: All Hail Metaphysics! [Re: Silversoul]
#7655182 - 11/19/07 02:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you.
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Re: All Hail Metaphysics! [Re: Icelander]
#7655222 - 11/19/07 03:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Do you not have a word for Fundamental Reality?
Yes that word is "Flavum".
What happened to "merkin"?
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Re: All Hail Metaphysics! [Re: Icelander]
#7656351 - 11/19/07 07:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is "flavum" related to Watts' "Boojum?"
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Actually it comes from an episode of Seinfeld. George is accused by his girlfriend of not knowing what kind of birth control she uses. He assures her he does and when she says prove it, he says "the Flavum" in a muffled voice as he turns away hoping she won't hear clearly and assume he said the right thing.;)
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Re: All Hail Metaphysics! [Re: Silversoul]
#7659386 - 11/20/07 03:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: Here's mataphysics for ya:
hahahaha thats a great clip
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