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Ignorance is bliss.
    #7649674 - 11/18/07 12:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

When someone says this, I feel very ignorant because I do not know what they are talking about.

If ignorance is bliss, are you omniscient?

And if not, then are you currently blissful?

Please expound the wisdom of that statement in words that my [currently] unblissful self can grasp.


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: psyka]
    #7649690 - 11/18/07 12:28 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

ignorance is bliss because an ignorant person knows no better (not in a sense of 'goodness' or 'rightness')


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: demiu5]
    #7649708 - 11/18/07 12:34 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I have to assume that you're talking about gambling. And if you're not, that sentence just does not make any sense.


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: psyka]
    #7649890 - 11/18/07 01:55 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Well, if you have no idea that there is anything beyond what you already know and understand, and you believe that what you've got is the best there is, there's no reason to despair or strive or be discontented. That's the meaning of it. I think it's dumb too, but it makes sense. I just don't find it appealing, and besides, there's no going back. Alas, I'm doomed to being aware and insightful for the rest of my miserable existence. :undecided: :smirk:


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7649893 - 11/18/07 01:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

but but we're all ignorant... ohhhhhhhhhh


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: andrewss]
    #7650170 - 11/18/07 07:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

If one were ignorant of evil in themselves, which means they knew it not, it would imply that they only know good in themselves. And knowing only the good in yourself would lead to a state of bliss.

So ignorance of evil in oneself is bliss.


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: Boundless]
    #7650204 - 11/18/07 07:51 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Evil in oneself? What exactly do you understand by that? :confused:

Anyways, my take on this saying is that one who chooses not to take to account facts, question what is being presented to him, remains in a state of naivety and therefore one doesn't have to deal with doubt and uncertainty, fears and anxiety.
Being ignorant is a form of escapism.
From this perspective, one could say that ignorance is bliss.
Though I don't really agree with this conclusion. :shrug:


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: psyka]
    #7650206 - 11/18/07 07:52 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Ignorance i.e to ignore.

If you ignore evidence to the contrary of your beliefs then you can retain your beliefs.

It is bliss because you never have to accept that you are wrong but others will see your ignorance.


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7650217 - 11/18/07 07:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Anyways, my take on this saying is that one who chooses not to take to account facts, question what is being presented to him, remains in a state of naivety and therefore one doesn't have to deal with doubt and uncertainty, fears and anxiety.




:thumbup:

Exactly.

This is the flaw of so called skeptical logic that I'm constantly trying to point out!
If you are certain then you are not open to change - thus ignorant.
If you are open-minded you belief nothing with certainty but you also have to deal with the fear and anxiety of not knowing!


Edited by Ego Death (11/18/07 08:09 AM)


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: Ego Death]
    #7650258 - 11/18/07 08:27 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

There are endless facts, endless lines of questioning, and many ways to see one thing, thus we are essentially ignorant. Why are we are not experiencing infinite states of bliss (doesn't sound too dumb, in my opinion)?

I would say the opposite is true. Lack of ignorance leads to blissful states. It is because we are not aware of the depth in our own thoughts, actions, and other habits, that we are ignorant of their root causes, and of their consequences. Attention to detail gives a much more sophisticated, elaborate buzz, in my opinion.


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: psyka]
    #7650260 - 11/18/07 08:31 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Attention to detail gives a much more sophisticated, elaborate buzz, in my opinion.


Heresy.  It does not get any better than Budweiser, nachos, and NASCAR.  I refuse to believe there is a better buzz out there.  Church is ok too, if it's the right denomination.  :razz:


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any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
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at the crucial moments I’ll recover
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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: Lion]
    #7650273 - 11/18/07 08:41 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

But you see, Budweiser empties, only so many nachos can be eaten, and NASCAR (although, long and extremely drawn out) will end. These do not offer complete happiness.


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: psyka]
    #7650278 - 11/18/07 08:43 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

so true


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: psyka]
    #7650280 - 11/18/07 08:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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only so many nachos can be eaten


the one flaw in your argument :yesnod:


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: Lion]
    #7650357 - 11/18/07 09:28 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I had an epiphany lately(not sure if thats the right word)...

Those who think/know ignorance is bliss usually are smart, philosophical people. while those who hate ignorance are of lesser intelligence.

I had another one...

Those who are ignorant want to not be ignorant, because they wish to see the world in a complicated way, while those who are not ignorant want to be ignorant because the world seems so simple from that viewpoint...
just my 2¢


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: ThePyschonaut52]
    #7650365 - 11/18/07 09:34 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Ignorant or not ignorant of what, exactly?


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: ThePyschonaut52]
    #7650368 - 11/18/07 09:35 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Those who think/know ignorance is bliss usually are smart, philosophical people. while those who hate ignorance are of lesser intelligence.




Not.
Those who say that ignorance is bliss are probably facing some tough issues and they're somehow aware of their magnitude and they also realize that if they were not aware they would be happier. This is also a form of escapism.

Quote:

Those who are ignorant want to not be ignorant, because they wish to see the world in a complicated way, while those who are not ignorant want to be ignorant because the world seems so simple from that viewpoint...




Huh?


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7650373 - 11/18/07 09:37 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

sorry. thats just the way i see things. Im weird that way


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7650377 - 11/18/07 09:38 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Those who are ignorant of Jesus Christ as their Shepard and Savior, are going to eternally burn in the eternal fiery pits of hell, for all eternity!


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: ThePyschonaut52]
    #7650379 - 11/18/07 09:39 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You don't need to say sorry. :shrug:
I was just explaining my view on the matter and also asking you for further explanation (if possible).


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: psyka]
    #7650380 - 11/18/07 09:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

psyka said:
Those who are ignorant of Jesus Christ as their Shepard and Savior, are going to eternally burn in the eternal fiery pits of hell, for all eternity!




I know :satansmoking:


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: psyka]
    #7650387 - 11/18/07 09:43 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

psyka said:
Those who are ignorant of Jesus Christ as their Shepard and Savior, are going to eternally burn in the eternal fiery pits of hell, for all eternity!


They call him a sherperd cause he fleeces the sheep. Baaah, tithes.


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: ThePyschonaut52]
    #7650393 - 11/18/07 09:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)


Those who think/know ignorance is bliss usually are smart, philosophical people. while those who hate ignorance are of lesser intelligence.


I have entertained this thought myself.


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: psyka]
    #7650456 - 11/18/07 10:11 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

There is also another axiom which is equally true: Ignorance is no excuse of the law.

In a Nation which (lip-service to the contrary) continues to 'exponentially' spend more than it makes, and buy more than it sells; people are living high of the hog. But like the boys on Pleasure Island at the beginning of "Pinocchio", a day of reckoning will come!

But relax, there is nothing to worry about. We have only sold about half of our stocks and bonds, and all of our technology, in the last 26 years to pay for it. Lots of time left - party on!


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: 2sky]
    #7650532 - 11/18/07 10:56 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

the first time i ever tripped i felt like a baby. So wide eyed and full of wonder. from that point on i realized that i had stumbled upon something amazing. and now i wish i could go back to the source, and erase my head.


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: Icelander]
    #7650594 - 11/18/07 11:22 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

If he is right then I am a freaking idiot.


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7650600 - 11/18/07 11:24 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

:smile:

Yes, but in spite of the difficulties, isn't it grand! :heart:


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7650602 - 11/18/07 11:25 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Hate is not a family value.:nono:


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: 2sky]
    #7650649 - 11/18/07 11:41 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yeah it's one of those two sided things. Im happy with all the growth ive made but in moving forward i expose truth to myself, and no one wants to always here and see the truth. The truth is a dark and scary thing.


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7650711 - 11/18/07 12:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not so sure that the truth is "dark and scary" so much as we have been keep in ignorance by our cultural programs that seek order and fear death. So chaos and impermanence seem threatening.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Edited by Icelander (11/18/07 12:00 PM)


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: Icelander]
    #7650979 - 11/18/07 12:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
I'm not so sure that the truth is "dark and scary" so much as we have been keep in ignorance by our cultural programs that seek order and fear death. So chaos and impermanence seem threatening.



QFT. It makes the journey a tad bit more frightful.


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7651296 - 11/18/07 03:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, it is horrifying! The entire country is high on debt - the most addictive drug of them all.


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: Icelander]
    #7651348 - 11/18/07 03:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Hate is a bit strong. Lets say that I have a magnificent abhorrence of all ignorance except my own.


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7651371 - 11/18/07 03:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

:monkeydance::lol:


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7651372 - 11/18/07 03:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

what makes your ignorance the exception?


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7651376 - 11/18/07 03:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Because I am always right. Thats not hard to understand.


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7651393 - 11/18/07 03:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

not at all.:grin:


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: psyka]
    #7651478 - 11/18/07 03:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Ignorance is not bliss. Ignorance is like the thorn in the lions foot. And it will catch up to you.


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7651481 - 11/18/07 03:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds like you couldn't run fast enough...


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7651491 - 11/18/07 04:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

:rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2:


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7651770 - 11/18/07 05:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

This statement is a gross oversimplification of lifes complexities. Actually, this notion seems to be very much reflective of the stigma surrounding hallucinogens.

When we do hallucinogens, often times problems arise. but I hope all of us here realize that these problems should in almost every instance be treated as our own personal problems, and not attributed to the drug. (schizophrenia and other similar cases not included, I know nothing about these kinds of situations. From my understanding though, these are not the usual cases)

As we all know, society makes the mistake of taking the position that drugs are the cause of these difficult situations. And why shouldnt they? statistics often support this connection between drugs and life problems. In a sense they are correct. From their perspective there is no difference whatsover between causation and correlation.

So, I think we as drug users should accept this connection as valid, that sometimes, drugs can in fact be correlated to lower grades, work performance etc. (although I realize that often it is not the case, so dont go telling me how good your grades are even though you smoke pot every day)

The truth that is not seen, and cannot be demonstrated without force ingensting the general population, is this connection is more correlation than causation. The truth is, that these problems that arise are in actuality built through a lifetime of social conditioning and self delusion. Hallucinogens can make us aware of our problems, and often force us confront them. They arent THE problem though.

My point is, that overcoming ignorance is a struggle. Its not the truth that comes to bite you in your ass when you become aware, its the delusions.


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: daytripper23]
    #7652255 - 11/18/07 07:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Huh?

This discussion was NOT about psychedelics and also using this analogy has little place here, in the context you presented it.
I was merely outlining that people do tend to run away from their issues, and when facing difficult it's possible to with that they were simply unaware of them.


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7652477 - 11/18/07 08:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry it was a general response. Should have directed it that way. But if it seems to offend your viewpoint... You don't see it this way? Where exactly did I lose it?


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: daytripper23]
    #7653756 - 11/19/07 07:41 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Perhaps I could be more concise

Many people here do believe that psychedelics are an awareness expanding tool. I do not see how you can deem them irrelavent to the theme of this thread, that ignorance is bliss.

To label ignorance as bliss simply on a basis of our sensational reaction, is not a far cry from labeling the expansion of awareness as painful, or something that should in the same sense be avoided because it can be painful/unpleasent.

This is what I outlined and expanded a bit on in my previous posts.


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: daytripper23]
    #7653768 - 11/19/07 07:50 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

To label ignorance as bliss simply on a basis of our sensational reaction, is not a far cry from labeling the expansion of awareness as painful, or something that should in the same sense be avoided because it can be painful/unpleasent.




With that I agree. They usually go hand in hand.

When I couldn't understand was the point of making that reply to my latest statement, since your reply was addressed to me. :shrug:


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7653793 - 11/19/07 08:03 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Well, I tend to have a bit of a self-absorbed outlook when I post on this board, so I hope youll excuse me from time to time. :hatsoff:

on the plus side though you may judge what I say simply as what I have said. :smile2:


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: daytripper23]
    #7653798 - 11/19/07 08:05 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

:smile:


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. *DELETED* [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7653850 - 11/19/07 08:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: soulcircus]
    #7654855 - 11/19/07 01:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

the main place i found this statement most true was when i started perceiving everything as lifeless chemical interactions or simply patterns and processes.

i got severaly depressed becasue of this.

however it goes beyond that and maybe this statement simply holds most true during the stages leading upto to realisations that take you to places which are far greater.

we are the magical beings we think we are, not just machines, i AM alive.
it IS actually amazing.


I find your statements here quite interesting as I have had to deal with these same issues.

I think that it becomes obvious that how we think determines how we feel. To a scientist the fact of chemical reactions and and patterns and processes might be endlessly fascinating and amazing. So here it might be an issue of self-importance rather than a depressing thing in and of itself. Most humans harbor a deep need to be very important and of special interest to others or to a creator God. Many of the facts of life such as chemical processes or death can make many humans feel very unspecial and insecure. But of course to someone who doesn't think in this way these "facts" might be in no way a cause for depression but even the opposite.

You have a certain definition of what makes life magical but it is only your definition most likely based on your programming. This is worth thinking about IMO.


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: soulcircus]
    #7657002 - 11/19/07 10:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)



Fractals are often considered beautiful. The mathematical formula's that they consist of, however, are not. Just because one understands that there is no magic ingredient involved does not make the mystery any less interesting to fathom.

Icelander gave some very sound wisdom. Depression is a defense mechanism of the ego... of the grasping mind. It lashes out to grab on to something, when you are getting the hint that there really is nothing to grab on to. True bliss occurs, when you let go of trying to control the free fall, and glide with skill.


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: psyka]
    #7658978 - 11/20/07 12:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

"Ignorance is bliss" is a sarcastic statement, imho.
But maybe I don't understand 'bliss'.


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Re: Ignorance is bliss. [Re: psyka]
    #7659350 - 11/20/07 02:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

psyka said:
True bliss occurs, when you let go of trying to control the free fall, and glide with skill.




:thumbup:

Reminds me of one of my shroom trips where my ego was destroyed and shown to me on a plate.

When I let go of it (mainly the emotions of fear and anxiety) I was catapulted into Ecstasy.  I saw a bright white light all around me and my body and sense of self had completely been removed.


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