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TheMan420
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50/50 casing question
#7648315 - 11/17/07 05:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok i bought some hydrated lime and found out that it was not the right stuff so i returned that and got some stuff that is called "cilc resources lawn and garden sweet limestone" its a 50pound bag on the back it says it contains 95% of calcium carbonate and thats all it says. So now that i got everything for my 50/50 casing I'm just wondering how i should make this up? i got 7 half pint jars and so far none of them are contam!:) I know i put in 50% peat moss and 50% verm but what bout the limestone and gypsum? Ive heard a teaspoon of lime but not sure about gypsum
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Re: 50/50 casing question [Re: TheMan420]
#7648374 - 11/17/07 05:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i thought you could use gypsum to make it a bit more airy( i believe i read it some where on a post in this site) so i use it in my substrate than?
i really should do extensive research before i post or even better before i go out and buy the materials, i just really love watching mushrooms grow, and i want to get better at it! All so do i really need to put crushed oyster shells in, its just another calcium carbonate containing ingredient. Just another question bout oyster shells i found you can buy them in a pill capsules in health food stores and its pure stuff that contains i believe 1000-1500mg of it, i haven't heard anybody talk bout these so just wondering if that would work but its probably better to go with the real deal. just putting it out there. thanks for the recipe FYI I found a post that suggest using gypsum in a casing this is what it reads for what gypsum is used for... "To provide calcium and sulfur, and also to prevent pH swings. Gypsum tends to hold the pH stable, wherever you set it with lime. RR" Some one else said that people say it makes the mushrooms grow bigger, but they have not been using it long enough for them to see results...
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Re: 50/50 casing question [Re: TheMan420]
#7649660 - 11/18/07 12:15 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is hydrated lime the same as limestone? Ive heard that it can ruin the casing if not added at the right amounts, that is why I'm using limestone and also that you don't need to worry about the casing becoming to basic it only raises it up to 8 on the Ph scale. I think ill use the tek from that post monstermitch its easy and straight forward ill just substitute the hydrated lime for the garden limestone that i have( do you think it will turn out right?) Thanks a bunch
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Re: 50/50 casing question [Re: TheMan420]
#7650591 - 11/18/07 11:21 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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ok i think ill try the oyster shells in my next batch i wanted to use all seven half pint jars on one casing to get hugh flushes out of it!! they are the amazon strain so i think there prolific fruiter's, i also have some Hawaiian strain waiting for my next batch! I'm aiming for the more bulk grow now that Ive done the pf tek a quite a few time with good results each time, i just want to see as many as much with weight as possible. My goal is to get at least one pound dried off of one batch in the single casing-not multiple ones- so one square foot could do this possibly with a 2-4 inch substrate depth and a 1inch casing. When i buy some more LC i mite do the straw bulk tek. There really taking off so id say 4-5 more days and there ready to case ill upload pics when there ready to case and then give you guys the final results with sum pics!
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Re: 50/50 casing question [Re: TheMan420]
#7650847 - 11/18/07 12:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would not use your "limestone." I would not use oyster shells.
I would use exactly what I said to use:
Hydrated Lime and Gypsum.
Both can be found at your local CO-OP probably.
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the hydrated lime ive found has Mg in it would that work or is it harmful to it?
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Re: 50/50 casing question [Re: TheMan420]
#7651205 - 11/18/07 02:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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what type of store was it purchased in? what did the package look like?
I tossed my bag of hydrated lime, I just keep it in a tub. so I don't have a label to compare it to.
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Hoffman Hydrated Horticultural Lime
Guaranteed Dry Weight Analysis
Calcium (Ca)................... 50.0% Magnesium(Mg).................. 0.4% Calcium Carbonate Equivalent ..128.0% Calcium Hydroxide ............. 99.0% Magnesium Hydroxide ........... 0.5% Calcium Oxide.................. 70.0% Magnesium Oxide................ 0.7% Total Oxides .................. 70.7% 2% Maximum CaO and MgO Combined as Carbonates.
Total Neutralizing Value 128.0% CaCO3 Equivalence
From Magnesium Sources 1.7% CaCO3 Equivalence
Total Neutralizing power in terms Calcium Carbonate ...... 121.0% Minumum Calcium Carbonate Equivalent Derived From Magnesium Source ....... 1.7% Pennsylvania E.N.V ........... 127% WI Neutralizing Index ........ 127% Oregon Lime Score ............ 124% Virginia E.N.V................ 127% ECCE ......................... 127%
Moisture not more than 2% Derived from Limestone
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yea that sounds like the same stuff i had the cost was like 4.99USD, but i saw it had the Mg in it so now i have this stuff that just says 95% calcium carbonate. the brand name is called cicl its in a 50lb bag and the cost was something like 6.99USD. would the hydrated lime that i had before would have worked? i don't really wanna exchange them again.
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Re: 50/50 casing question [Re: TheMan420]
#7653203 - 11/19/07 12:25 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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well if you bought hydrated lime to begin with, you never should have brought it back...
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well i can easily take this back but it can tains just calcium carbonante, this will make it so i dont need a pH meter and ch eck the pH or worry that it is over 8 or im i wrong? im pretty new with all the casings and that i used pure verm twice but i dont really like that and would rather the 50/50 once i get it down ill get better at it anyways. by the way i have a 3lb bag of pre-sterlized rye grain on the way i did this before but with a bad B+ syringe that i made ill shoot like two or three cc's of hawiiain in that and see what happens.
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Ok i fixed my F*** up and now i got the hydrated lime ill add one level teaspoon of hydrated lime and one level tablespoon of gypsum. Thanks for the help everyone ill let you know the results when they come around!
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Re: 50/50 casing question [Re: TheMan420]
#7667740 - 11/22/07 06:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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well the casing is done, now i incubated for about four days and put it in the FC. 99% humidity and it is around 74-75 degrees. how long will i be waiting until i see some pins? I'm thinking about a week, but i don't want to count my chickens before they hatch! Ill post some pics when i can i don't have a camera so its kind of hard to. Peace and ill keep everyone updated with the results!!
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Re: 50/50 casing question [Re: TheMan420]
#7696804 - 11/29/07 09:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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well to update everyone, my first signs of mycelium have started to show so i put some more of the casing mix on those spots to even the flush out so hopefully within a week ill have some lovely mushrooms, i did see one pin at its earliest stage still no caps though. I'm very excited to see what happens with it now!!
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Re: 50/50 casing question [Re: TheMan420]
#7732957 - 12/08/07 12:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Keep us posted!
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Update: the casing is full of MYC poking though plus a pin! i do notice a blue/green on the side where i dropped a fan, when i was fanning of course, i think its just bruised but it seems that spot is going better than the rest which is kinda strange but what ever works is fine with me! update with sum pics when they start to fruit, and picked, but since i only have a web cam i dont want the casing to leave the sterile conditions of the room its in. Im projecting my first flush in about a week or so how bout friday?
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Re: 50/50 casing question [Re: TheMan420]
#7745435 - 12/11/07 03:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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 ok these are some pics not to clear but the best i could do... i think i mite have penicillium or it mite just be were i dropped that fan, it turned like a blue green color and than stop growing(though it did at first grow like crazy) than it like died and i pulled the rest out. i have a few other spots that look like this but not as bad. so after all my hard work and weeks of colonizing i mite have a contam! any suggestions much needed!
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Re: 50/50 casing question [Re: TheMan420]
#7745446 - 12/11/07 03:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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well the fan could have stunted it for a little, just wait a couple more days and see what happens.
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Re: 50/50 casing question [Re: TheMan420]
#7745460 - 12/11/07 03:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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What is the substrate? plain pf cakes?
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Re: 50/50 casing question [Re: Nibin]
#7745529 - 12/11/07 03:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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yes there plain pf cakes, i did have a 50/50 casing but it never did colonize so i put pure verm on it and within a week it looked like this, after me patching the other spots around the sides.
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Re: 50/50 casing question [Re: TheMan420]
#7745551 - 12/11/07 03:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If it does fail (I hope it doesn't) it will be another case to prove why cakes should just be dunked and rolled and not cased.
If you had fruited the cakes as is, you would be picking fruits by now.
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Re: 50/50 casing question [Re: Nibin]
#7750858 - 12/12/07 07:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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well F*** i guess we will just have to do it again and this time I'm going to dunk and roll my 3 pint jars of the Hawaiian strain, or use something like hpoo and straw. I came home from work today to find that my entire casing plus all the substrate underneath was a very dark blue color so i threw it all out and back to step one- i guess this is the trail and error process for ya!
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